2010 Opel Astra

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The rear end looks a bit unresolved but otherwise it's pretty good. To be honest, the current Astra isn't a bad looking car at all either.

What I am looking forward to is seeing the 3-door version.
 
Same here.

And, if GM kills Saturn, what will happen to the Saturn Astra? Will it be a Chevy, or will they just not offer it in the US anymore?

Probably won't be offered any more as Chevy will have the Cruze for it's small car, although if Magna buys Opel they might make it to the states.
 
Especially as the Saturn Astra wasn't as good of a car as the Cobalt anyways, making it rather pointless and confusing.
Not as good as the Cobalt?:confused: The Astra had European origins, and had a better interior than the Cobalt, as well as a better suspension. It was limited to a 1.6 liter though, while the Cobalt gets a 2.2 standard.
 
And, if GM kills Saturn, what will happen to the Saturn Astra? Will it be a Chevy, or will they just not offer it in the US anymore?

I can answer that:

The current understanding at GM North America is that the car will be sold as a Buick, but it is unknown if it will be as a hatch or as a sedan. GM wants to have a premium, entry-level compact at Buick, and this would be it. Clearly, with the Regal (likely) joining the Buick lineup, not to mention the stylings of the LaCrosse, the look is pretty similar.

I think the only disappointing thing about the car are the powertrain offerings. So far, the Cruze gets more power, and the inclusion of the 1.4L Turbo obviously has its advantages as well. My guess is that if (or when?) the car comes to North America, it will have that as an option.
 
The Astra was so much better than the Cobalt ever was or ever will be. If GM kills the US Astra I will be more angry.

That new Astra looks fantastic! I like it. And I don't care if it is a Buick as long as its here.
 
What we have here looks to be a good rival to the Golf. At least, from a looks standpoint. We'll see how the cars compare everywhere else.

GM has had a bit of success lately building cars that look like good vehicles. I do wonder if they all actually are as good as they appear.
 
I also hanker to see the 3 door version, and hopefully a VXR version will come closer to rivalling the Focus RS.:lol: OK, maybe I'm dreaming, that RS is damn good, but I still do hope there is a VXR version.
Would GM even be using this with Opel being sold by the end of the month?


JCE
The Astra was so much better than the Cobalt ever was or ever will be. If GM kills the US Astra I will be more angry.

That new Astra looks fantastic! I like it. And I don't care if it is a Buick as long as its here.

The Cobalt SS makes a better sports car though doesn't it?
 
For some reason the back says SEAT to me but I can't explain why with a comparison photo...

Decent looking car, thoroughly unimposing but I suppose it's the 5 door.
 
My word, you're right:

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Some definite similarities with the new Ibiza, so I can definitely see where you're coming from.
 
The Astra had European origins, and had a better interior than the Cobalt, as well as a better suspension.
European origins doesn't mean anything. They sit on the same chassis, were developed by the same people, and the Cobalt had more development time put into it. If you spend the money to get one of the sportier Cobalts, you essentially have the same thing with a worse interior but a better engine.

JCE
The Astra was so much better than the Cobalt ever was or ever will be.
I can't imagine why. Being European does not instantly make it better, especially when the Astra was just about bottom of the barrel compared to pretty much every other compact sold in Europe. Regardless of how the Cobalt isn't quite as good as the Civic and Golf, it isn't that far off.
 
I can't imagine why. Being European does not instantly make it better, especially when the Astra was just about bottom of the barrel compared to pretty much every other compact sold in Europe.

Woah, you haven't taken a very good look around the barrel if you think the Astra is at the bottom (and honestly, there are very few bad compacts available in the UK). It's not an amazing car by any stretch of the imagination but it's certainly a good one.

It sounds like you also got the short straw in the US with regard to the Astra's engines with only a 1.8 (we got a 1.4, 1.6, a 1.6 turbo, 1.8, 2.0 turbo with two or three different power outputs including the mental VXR version, and 1.7 and 1.9 turbodiesels), and I suspect Saturn didn't offer the "sport switch" that turbo and turbodiesels got in the UK that changed steering/throttle/damper responses (as I can't find any mention of it on Saturn's website.
 
I do hope they bring this state-side. As long as they don't mess up a 3-door version (suggesting there will be one), this is something I would love to own.
 
I remember everyone enthusing in a similar fashion about the Vectra Insignia and yet, in the flesh, it's one of the most nondescript cars on the road.

This looks like more - much more - of the same.
 
I remember everyone enthusing in a similar fashion about the Vectra Insignia and yet, in the flesh, it's one of the most nondescript cars on the road.

This looks like more - much more - of the same.

Meh. I still prefer the Insignia to the Mondeo (which Ford ruined). And the Passat (which VW ruined). And the current Accord (which Honda ruined).
 




http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/12/leaked-2010-opel-astra-gets-early-web-reveal/

This is what the new Mazda 3 should have been. Absolutely perfect 100% spot-on. Other than the liftgate handle, there isn’t a single blemish on this car.


Perfect. It looks just like a new Astra. Mildly sophisticated, vaguely classy, but ultimately forgettable. They've done a good job.

No, seriously, they have! I mean nobody actually buys new Astras anymore, do they? I'm sure 60% of them get bought up by the likes of Enterprise, Hertz and Europcar, and the remaining 35% get given to junior managers at BT. Then there's that 5% of the public that buy one for whatever random reason - the ones that live opposite a Vauxhall dealer; the ones that have bought Vauxhalls for 22 years and have built up some sort of bland, sorry brand loyalty; the ones that work as technical engineers for Sky and like having their car named after a satellite... that sorta thing.

So I think they've done well. Just imagine it with some benign-looking 15 inch rims and the integration into normal Astraryness will be complete. Good work Vauxhall.




Yes, I hate it.
 
Regardless of how the Cobalt isn't quite as good as the Civic and Golf, it isn't that far off.

I guess it depends on how you look at it. Having driven both cars, with slushboxes, in their most-basic trim levels, each have their own advantages and disadvantages. Having driven Volkswagens for years, I had assumed that the transition into an Astra would be simple, but it wasn't. I didn't like the interior at all, the design was an ergonomic nightmare compared to the Cobalt's setup (too many buttons in odd places, the silver plastic was just annoying). Dynamically speaking, the Astra had a slightly better setup, but I get the feeling that updated Cobalt fixed many of those issues. Both suffered from uncommunicative steering, a little too much sound deadening, and perhaps a ride that was a bit too soft otherwise.

Ultimately, its going to come down to what you wanted out of your car. The Astra was a fair bit more practical, the hatch does that. But in terms of operating as a car on an everyday basis, I'd rather have the Cobalt. Particularly the LT with the 2.4L engine. The Cobalt was cheaper, and as of last year, more fuel efficient with the XFE edition as well.

As far as both being competitive against the (American) Corolla and Civic, they were a bit short of the mark, but ultimately "close enough" to make it a reasonable choice. The problem is that when the VW Rabbit showed up, its price made almost all of those choices irrelevant. But, as VW began to change that, they eventually pushed the car out of the picture. Otherwise, the Cobalt is an amazing value that has remained pretty reliable, and otherwise "current" in a constantly shifting market.
 
I hate the triangular D pillar. I'd rather drive an i30.
 
While the i30 (Elantra Touring) is a very nice car, they've priced themselves out of competition. Starting at $17,800 here in the US, that's crazy.

*Yes, the new Mazda3 is no better
 
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