2012 Formula One Santander British Grand Prix

[DaxCobra]

I read after a couple of years he will be bringing in close to $60 Million so I think they can afford to lose a few more front wings...

 

[hornet_burnout]

I read after a couple of years he will be bringing in close to $60 Million so I think they can afford to lose a few more front wings...

46million then 63 from 2015 on:
http://www.rallystar.co.za/article/articleview/8617/1/72

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Bottas shares Senna's car for testing and does (all?) Friday FP. So that is one less run for Senna, each weekend. And 2 drivers pointing the way... unlike Maldonado.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I believe the exact wording of the contract mandates that Williams must only "consider" Venezuelan drivers. That is, PDVSA submit a list of drivers to the team for their consideration, and Williams will get the PDVSA money provided they look at each driver. If they choose to run a Venezuelan driver, they will get more money than if they do not, but they will still get most of it if they choose not to enter a Venezuelan, provided that they can show cause for having chosen two other drivers before a Venezuelan.

I cannot believe they only slapped him on the wrist again. Surely Williams will step in and do something internally at some point if he keeps racking up DNF's.

McLaren didn't do anything about Lewis Hamilton when Hamilton was constantly getting in trouble with other drivers last year, so why should Williams be any different?

 

[hornet_burnout]

It's not like there's an abundance of Venezuelan drivers available is it?

Half the sponsors (Indian) wouldn't be in Narain Karthikeyan's HRT if he wasn't driving it.

This is not "normal" business as with a top driver getting sponsorship from international or global market brands.

This is Chavez, through his oil company, paying for his boy to run around in F1 carrying the Venezuelan pride. Paying for the drives, and paying for the broken backs of stewards so he can race again in Monaco and have a career, cause no one would hire a banned from Monaco driver (yes, I know, technically was his father who paid).

He has speed. But being carried his entire racing career is what makes him reckless and not care about anyone else. Not racing for any reason (such as current "crasher" status) simply does not enter his mind. He has gotten away with everything so far with little more than warnings. Even got his ban from Monaco lifted.

I agree with Famine, he will not change unless he gets a race ban. And even then...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It's not like there's an abundance of Venezuelan drivers available is it?

There's actually quite a few. After Russia, Venezuela has had the biggest resurgence of racing drivers in recent years.

This is Chavez paying for his boy to run around in F1 carrying the Venezuelan pride.

Plenty of drivers have the support of governments. The only reason why people are opposed to the money coming from the Venezuelan state is because Hugo Chavez is opposed to America. If we were talking about Rio Haryanto - who has backing from Pertamina, an Indonesian oil and gas company wholly owned by Jakarta - this wouldn't be an issue at all.

paying for the broken backs of stewards so he can race again in Monaco and have a career

It find it hilarious that you bring this up. One of the most common criticisms of Pastor Maldonado is that he doesn't apologise for incidents he causes. However, the incident in Monaco is on that he did apologise for. Furthermore, the Maldonado family - not Chavez - paid for the marshall's recovery out of their own pocket, as a show of good faith that the accident was just that and that Maldonado was not deliberately being reckless. If any other driver did it, you would be applauding him for it. And if Maldonado hadn't been involved in a few incidents this year, you wouldn't be bringing it up now.

 

[Peasantslayer]

McLaren didn't do anything about Lewis Hamilton when Hamilton was constantly getting in trouble with other drivers last year, so why should Williams be any different?

I may be a bit biased because I'm a big Hamilton fan but when he was getting involved in incidents last year it seemed to be more down to bad mistakes rather than malicious intent like Pastor.

 

[hornet_burnout]

That was the whole show they had to put on to get the ban lifted. And it worked.

I don't bring things up on other drivers like Hamilton because it wouldn't be fair. You see, I did my share of criticizing Alonso, Hamilton and other when it was due. Unlike you I do not keep bringing things up when they are in the past, buried. It's GONE, Hamilton has changed. He IS a better driver now. He is not even remotely comparable to Pastor and yet you keep comparing them.

Maldonado's behavior is not in the past, it is exactly the same as always. It is still current and relevant what he did and keeps doing. Reasons to criticize him are exactly the same now as were then or always.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

I may be a bit biased because I'm a big Hamilton fan but when he was getting involved in incidents last year it seemed to be more down to bad mistakes rather than malicious intent like Pastor.

Pastor Maldonado has only been involved in one incident where he showed malicious intent - and even then, he was provoked by Hamilton. The stewards obviously felt so, given that they reprimanded Hamilton for the incident. I am yet to see conclusive proof that Maldonado deliberately crashed into Hamilton in Valencia or Perez in Monaco and at Silverstone.

Honestly, the attitude of some people around here disgusts me. Everybody is so quick to defend Hamilton and condemn Maldonado. It's a double standard. Last year, Hamilton showed absolutely no respect for anyone else on the circuit (except maybe Jenson Button). He was involved in half a dozen avoidable incidents that were all his fault, but nobody called for him to be banned from racing.

But now, Maldonado goes into Brooklands a little too quickly, loses control of the car, and accidentally puts Perez out of the race, and he deserves a race ban for it? If their positions had been reversed, people would be defending Perez no end.

 

[hornet_burnout]

We get it, Pastor fanboy, Hamilton hater. Moving along...

 

[Bye Ya]

McLaren didn't do anything about Lewis Hamilton when Hamilton was constantly getting in trouble with other drivers last year, so why should Williams be any different?

Well, in my mind McLaren has been a top three team, both so far this season and last, if that is the comparison. But Williams has more at stake, because last year their car was crap, and this year they can actually challenge for top 5 with their current car, so I think there's more incentive for their drivers to finish the races, not only for obvious points reasons, but to also see where the car really stands among the frontrunners.

If their positions had been reversed, people would be defending Perez no end.

I find this to be an exaggeration. I don't think people would be 'defending' Perez, and Pastor's reputation is of his own making, same as Perez's.

 

[Peasantslayer]

Pastor Maldonado has only been involved in one incident where he showed malicious intent - and even then, he was provoked by Hamilton. The stewards obviously felt so, given that they reprimanded Hamilton for the incident. I am yet to see conclusive proof that Maldonado deliberately crashed into Hamilton in Valencia or Perez in Monaco and at Silverstone.

Honestly, the attitude of some people around here disgusts me. Everybody is so quick to defend Hamilton and condemn Maldonado. It's a double standard. Last year, Hamilton showed absolutely no respect for anyone else on the circuit (except maybe Jenson Button). He was involved in half a dozen avoidable incidents that were all his fault, but nobody called for him to be banned from racing.

But now, Maldonado goes into Brooklands a little too quickly, loses control of the car, and accidentally puts Perez out of the race, and he deserves a race ban for it? If their positions had been reversed, people would be defending Perez no end.

At least I said I may be a bit biased, Hamilton had a bad year last year. At Valencia his car was pointing towards the sidepod of Hamilton because he tried a move which wasn't going to work because Hamilton nailed the racing line, he had two options: wait until Hamilton has moved or drive into the side of him and if he doesn't move tough s&%$.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

We get it, Pastor fanboy, Hamilton hater. Moving along...

That's your rebuttal, is it? Accusing me of being a fanboy and a hater in one, simply because I made an argument that you have no response to.

Grow up.

Well, in my mind McLaren has been a top three team, both so far this season and last, if that is the comparison.

So Maldonado is more deserving of a race ban because he's not in a top-three team, is he?

 

[Bye Ya]

So Maldonado is more deserving of a race ban because he's not in a top-three team, is he?

Huh? Where did you get that from? The question was why should Williams do something when McLaren has not. I'm saying that team-wise, he's really holding them back from significant progress, or of even knowing how much they actually have progressed since last season.

 

[hornet_burnout]

That's your rebuttal, is it? Accusing me of being a fanboy and a hater in one, simply because I made an argument that you have no response to.

Grow up.


So Maldonado is more deserving of a race ban because he's not in a top-three team, is he?

You choose to ignore my rebuttal (#547) and I need to "Grow up?"

And yes, to me a person who watches so much racing, and posts in almost every thread about racing in this forum, reads so much info and facts everywhere, can only be so biased in this case because "feelings". Because behind all that "argumentation" you are a Hamilton hater and a Pastor fanboy.

If you weren't blind to facts you'd have dropped this Pastor vs Hamilton comparison. Instead you choose to distort things and compare the incomparable.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Because behind all that "argumentation" you are a Hamilton hater and a Pastor fanboy.

Do you want to know why I ignored that rebuttal? It's because you're so quick to brand other people "fanboy" and "hater" when they disagree with you. How on earth do you expect me to be able to respect your opinions when you clearly show me none in kind? Your posts have been rude, cynical, disrespectful, arrogant, dismissive and hypocritical. I'm no fan of any one of those. But all five? Forget about it.

I have no particular like or dislike of either driver.

If you weren't blind to facts you'd have dropped this Pastor vs Hamilton comparison.

What "facts"? I see two drivers who were frequently involved in a series of prominent and controversial on-track incidents. The only difference is that one driver is popular with fans, and the other is not.

Unless, of course, your argument is that Maldonado deliberately took Perez out in Monaco and at Silverstone, and that he deliberately crashed into Hamilton in Valencia. Which you have completely failed to address, much less prove.

 

[Akmuq]

I have no particular like or dislike of either driver.

Yeah, PM only likes Bruno Senna, duh.

 

[DaxCobra]

Yeah, PM only likes Bruno Senna, duh.

LOL!

Kinda stepped in that one PM.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Do you want to know why I ignored that rebuttal? It's because you're so quick to brand other people "fanboy" and "hater" when they disagree with you. How on earth do you expect me to be able to respect your opinions when you clearly show me none in kind? Your posts have been rude, cynical, disrespectful, arrogant, dismissive and hypocritical. I'm no fan of any one of those. But all five? Forget about it.

I have no particular like or dislike of either driver.


What "facts"? I see two drivers who were frequently involved in a series of prominent and controversial on-track incidents. The only difference is that one driver is popular with fans, and the other is not.

Unless, of course, your argument is that Maldonado deliberately took Perez out in Monaco and at Silverstone, and that he deliberately crashed into Hamilton in Valencia. Which you have completely failed to address, much less prove.

You come here on a wet practice session day slaming on Senna cause he crashed and "he's a liability". When I post his achievements vs Pastor you ignore it.

You keep comparing someone's one bad year, but with a decent racing career and great achievements (in F1 and before, winning from almost last, etc, etc) with a permanent crasher that only succeeds if he starts from the front (not just Spain but in GP2).

So yes you ignore facts, and arguments. You ignore the racing facts, championship points, hard championship wins, great races and results that you don't want to see or consider, because you have nothing like that on Pastor to compare with. Only thing he has to show are crashes and "easy" wins.

So, as you say, you only see current Pastor crashes and Hamilton crashes from last year.

So lets compare those. I don't have to prove anything. They are there. So are the penalties. Hamilton got his penalties in the past, Pastor has gotten and still is getting them now. And they are much more serious, there are several deliberate incidents and the penalties awarded are mild when compared with Hamilton racing incident penalties. And on the subject of "last year", then consider Maldonado Spa "incident" as well.

Point is Pastor was and still is "getting into incidents" as you say, and with little more to show. That is what his background that I bring up is relevant for. He has not ever been doing more than that. Getting into trouble. Stupidly, accidentally or deliberately or a bit of all.

You only drag "bad last year Hamilton" from the past because it helps your Pastor defense to do so. Want to drag things from the past? I dare you to find one video of Pastor doing something half as remarkable race as this for instance:



Or a move half as remarkable as this:



You can't cause the biggest highlights of Pastors past (and present) are... well you know. Crashes.
That or a review of his GP2 unremarkable championship win. Or Spain.

So I stand by what I said... Pastor is still a crasher, nothing else. He is not even remotely comparable to Hamilton who, despite an aggressive style, is now a great racing driver.

 

[Pagey279]

I agree with everything said above, Hamilton made his mistakes, he had his little tantrum. But he obviously has taken it on board and moved on, vastly maturing as a driver and has driven extremely well since.

Maldonado seems as though he refuses to take the criticism, when confronted with what Perez said about him he brushed it aside. And so far this season he has shown no improvements in race craft. Maldonado could learn a LOT from Hamilton.

 

[F1 fan]

there are several deliberate incidents

Firstly, I'm staying out of the Hamilton debate. There's no point in me involving myself in another one of those. However, I must take issue with the above quote. You have no proof that any of Maldonado's crashes were deliberate. I suggested that he's just plain stupid, but that wasn't enough for some. There is no way you can label prisonermonkeys as biased when you have appointed yourself judge, jury and executioner and condemned pastor for "deliberately" crashing when you have no proof.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Firstly, I'm staying out of the Hamilton debate. There's no point in me involving myself in another one of those. However, I must take issue with the above quote. You have no proof that any of Maldonado's crashes were deliberate. I suggested that he's just plain stupid, but that wasn't enough for some. There is no way you can label prisonermonkeys as biased when you have appointed yourself judge, jury and executioner and condemned pastor for "deliberately" crashing when you have no proof.

Ok, granted... I've removed deliberate. It is too much for the point I'm making. But point still stands. Intentional, accidental, malicious, dumb or just unfortunate crasher... and nothing else.

And I label PM biased on this because he is always there to excuse Pastor, and when there are "others" he is very eager to blame them for just the same or less, or calling them a "liability".

 

[Peter.]

You can't cause the biggest highlights of Pastors past (and present) are... well you know. Crashes.
That or a review of his GP2 unremarkable championship win. Or Spain.

So I stand by what I said... Pastor is still a crasher, nothing else. He is not even remotely comparable to Hamilton who, despite an aggressive style, is now a great racing driver.

Maldonado beat Sergio Perez to the GP2 title in 2010. The Perez who everyone sees as someone of incredible talent, and is first in line to a Ferrari seat if Massa can't perform. Still think he's just a crasher?

Of course you do. You're more biased against Maldonado than most persons have been in this thread, and you ignore the facts put forth that say that he's much more than just a crasher.

Like to compare him to Hamilton, don't you? He has a GP2 title to his name. So does Lewis Hamilton. He has won a race this season. So has Lewis Hamilton. Lewis Hamilton doesn't deserve to be let off on his incidents in 2011 because of his world championship and general success. Likewise, Maldonado doesn't deserve to be banned from racing because you think he 's just a crasher, and a driver who tries to kill anyone who tries to overtake him or gets in his way.

 

[gorsad]

This is the reason that Mclaren have dropped back. They've spent all their time designing that

 

[lbsf1]

This is the reason that Mclaren have dropped back. They've spent all their time designing that

The guy they interviewed from mclaren about CFD is one of their top CFD guys. I met him when I was there. It does actually surprise me the amount of resources they seem to put into small projects like that.

 

[hornet_burnout]

Maldonado beat Sergio Perez to the GP2 title in 2010. The Perez who everyone sees as someone of incredible talent, and is first in line to a Ferrari seat if Massa can't perform. Still think he's just a crasher?

Yes, a crasher who only accomplishes anything (as his GP2 and the Spanish GP this year) when the right conditions are met. Said that before many times, still do. Beating Perez in GP2 doesn't fix it.

Of course you do. You're more biased against Maldonado than most persons have been in this thread, and you ignore the facts put forth that say that he's much more than just a crasher.

I have an opinion based on all the races and incidents I saw him involved in. I was ready do change it after he won GP2 and came to F1. I was ready to change it after he won Spain. But he has not changed, so neither has my opinion. Not because I'm "biased" against him but because facts. So which facts have I ignored that make him not just a crasher and an "easy" winner? Again Spain and a GT2 title?

Like to compare him to Hamilton, don't you? He has a GP2 title to his name. So does Lewis Hamilton. He has won a race this season. So has Lewis Hamilton.

No I do not. That was the whole point. They are miles apart. The comparison was ridiculous and you just exemplified it perfectly. It's like saying they both have black hair. Many drivers have those in common. You can't compare only what you want. Hamilton has a talent and because or despite his aggressiveness he has produced results and good performances. Pastor either crashes, leads and wins from pole, or wins by overtaking in the pits. That is his GP2 championship in a nutshell. Here's a good compilation about it:



So is this the fact I'm ignoring? I am not. This is "pay driver" at his best. This is why Pastor is ill known and not as popular as others. Because his career is rather uneventful. Except crashes.

Lewis Hamilton doesn't deserve to be let off on his incidents in 2011 because of his world championship and general success. Likewise, Maldonado doesn't deserve to be banned from racing because you think he 's just a crasher, and a driver who tries to kill anyone who tries to overtake him or gets in his way.

Hamilton got his penalties and learned a lesson. They served the purpose. Hamilton is now better likely because of them. I do not think they are enough in Pastor's case, because he himself vows to keep going like that, and we have no reason to think otherwise. To do so is to "believe" he'll be better in the future and being "biased" in his favor, and choosing to ignore the real facts past and present that point in the direction of him ending up hurting someone (again). Who cares if it's "unintentional" if he does?

And besides, since when do 2 wrongs make a right? If Hamilton was that "bad" last year, assuming Pastor is just being like him this year, this makes is ok?

He "needs" a one race ban to cool off. For his own good.

 

[TyrrellRacing]

Maldonado beat Sergio Perez to the GP2 title in 2010. The Perez who everyone sees as someone of incredible talent, and is first in line to a Ferrari seat if Massa can't perform. Still think he's just a crasher?

I think people give the Sauber car less credit than what it deserves. Don't get me wrong he's a solid driver, but people do consider him too highly in my opinion. He has made quite a few mistakes and rarely catches my eye during GP weekends.

Yes, a crasher who only accomplishes anything (as his GP2 and the Spanish GP this year) when the right conditions are met. Said that before many times, still do. Beating Perez in GP2 doesn't fix it.

I have an opinion based on all the races and incidents I saw him involved in. I was ready do change it after he won GP2 and came to F1. I was ready to change it after he won Spain. But he has not changed, so neither has my opinion. Not because I'm "biased" against him but because facts. So which facts have I ignored that make him not just a crasher and an "easy" winner? Again Spain and a GT2 title?

No I do not. That was the whole point. They are miles apart. The comparison was ridiculous and you just exemplified it perfectly. It's like saying they both have black hair. Many drivers have those in common. You can't compare only what you want. Hamilton has a talent and because or despite his aggressiveness he has produced results and good performances. Pastor either crashes, leads and wins from pole, or wins by overtaking in the pits. That is his GP2 championship in a nutshell.

So is this the fact I'm ignoring? I am not. This is "pay driver" at his best. This is why Pastor is ill known and not as popular as others. Because his career is rather uneventful. Except crashes.

Hamilton got his penalties and learned a lesson. They served the purpose. Hamilton is now better likely because of them. I do not think they are enough in Pastor's case, because he himself vows to keep going like that, and we have no reason to think otherwise. To do so is to "believe" he'll be better in the future and being "biased" in his favor, and choosing to ignore the real facts past and present that point in the direction of him ending up hurting someone (again). Who cares if it's "unintentional" if he does?

And besides, since when do 2 wrongs make a right? If Hamilton was that "bad" last year, assuming Pastor is just being like him this year, this makes is ok?

He "needs" a one race ban to cool off. For his own good.

He undoubtedly has talent and is fast, he wouldn't have won in Spain or the GP2 title otherwise. Bur being a fast driver is not the same as being a good driver. He's not a good driver as he causes a lot of crashes and can't consistently overtake cleanly or keep a cool head.

Every driver on the grid, except maybe Karthikeyan are in the top 0.0000001% when it comes to how fast they can drive a Fourmula 1 car round a circuit. People are a bit quick to dismiss drivers of being "slow". In reality, I'd say they're all pretty much about the same pace give or take the odd tenth. Historically it wasn't the case as practically anyone who could rub two bob together and drive pretty good could enter but nowadays even if you are rich as hell you still need a wealth of experience from other single seaters, karts or at least top level touring cars. So then why are some drivers consistently beaten by their team mate ? Not because they lack talent but because they don't suit the car or setup or tyres etc.

Therefore drivers should be judged on their consistency, adaptability, tyre management and overtaking, something which Maldonado is clearly lacking in, except maybe tyre management and adaptability. Hamilton had a terrible year last year but at least he's capable of overtaking properly and did show remorse for his actions. Maldonado just blames everyone else when he's blatantly in the wrong.

 

[Peter.]

Yes, a crasher who only accomplishes anything (as his GP2 and the Spanish GP this year) when the right conditions are met. Said that before many times, still do. Beating Perez in GP2 doesn't fix it.

By your logic, winning when the conditions are all met takes no talent. That makes a lot of drivers in history untalented then. Maldonado had to work for his pole, and his win, just like anyone else did in their career.

I have an opinion based on all the races and incidents I saw him involved in. I was ready do change it after he won GP2 and came to F1. I was ready to change it after he won Spain. But he has not changed, so neither has my opinion. Not because I'm "biased" against him but because facts. So which facts have I ignored that make him not just a crasher and an "easy" winner? Again Spain and a GT2 title?

Does it matter how he won the GP2 title? Out of a grid of 26 drivers, Maldonado was the best over the course of the season. Pastor had an almost Vettel-esque dominance of the 2010 GP2 season, in a grid of equal cars.

No I do not. That was the whole point. They are miles apart. The comparison was ridiculous and you just exemplified it perfectly. It's like saying they both have black hair. Many drivers have those in common. You can't compare only what you want. Hamilton has a talent and because or despite his aggressiveness he has produced results and good performances. Pastor either crashes, leads and wins from pole, or wins by overtaking in the pits. That is his GP2 championship in a nutshell. Here's a good compilation about it:

*video snip*

Considering that Lewis Hamilton has a GP2 title under his belt as well, it shows that it takes talent to win the GP2 title, doesn't it?

So is this the fact I'm ignoring? I am not. This is "pay driver" at his best. This is why Pastor is ill known and not as popular as others. Because his career is rather uneventful. Except crashes.

I still don't get why there is so much hate directed towards pay drivers, as if they don't deserve to exist in motorsport, because they are automatically untalented. Ayrton Senna and Michael Schuamcher were pay drivers. So was Fernando Alonso. And now we have Maldonado. All showed promise in their first season, and won their first races in their second season, in cars that were not the best on the grid at the time.

Hamilton got his penalties and learned a lesson. They served the purpose. Hamilton is now better likely because of them. I do not think they are enough in Pastor's case, because he himself vows to keep going like that, and we have no reason to think otherwise. To do so is to "believe" he'll be better in the future and being "biased" in his favor, and choosing to ignore the real facts past and present that point in the direction of him ending up hurting someone (again). Who cares if it's "unintentional" if he does?

And besides, since when do 2 wrongs make a right? If Hamilton was that "bad" last year, assuming Pastor is just being like him this year, this makes is ok?

He "needs" a one race ban to cool off. For his own good.

Ayrton Senna's racecraft was similar to Malodnado's, in a day when Formula 1 was far more dangerous. Yet, he's called the man with passion, determination and heart in his racecraft, while Maldonado is ridiculed for being a useless pay driver.

 

[hornet_burnout]

He undoubtedly has talent and is fast, he wouldn't have won in Spain or the GP2 title otherwise. Bur being a fast driver is not the same as being a good driver. He's not a good driver as he causes a lot of crashes and can't consistently overtake cleanly or keep a cool head.

This... I stated many, many, many, many times. I like Pastor's speed. He is fast (should I dig up old posts saying that?). This is why he wins when he's ahead. Doesn't make him less of a crasher when he has to fight for position.

Drivers should be judged on their consistency, adaptability, tyre management and overtaking, something which Maldonado is clearly lacking in, except maybe tyre management and adaptability. Hamilton had a terrible year last year but at least he's capable of overtaking properly and did show remorse for his actions. Maldonado just blames everyone else when he's blatantly in the wrong.

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By your logic, winning when the conditions are all met takes no talent. That makes a lot of drivers in history untalented then. Maldonado had to work for his pole, and his win, just like anyone else did in their career.

a) never said he has NO talent. He is fast. It shows when he buys the best seat and wins the GP2 title. Still... a crasher when having to fight for positions.

b) he inherited his pole in Spain and then used his recognized talent to win from #1 Does, and can't excuse his crashes in almost every other race.

Does it matter how he won the GP2 title? Out of a grid of 26 drivers, Maldonado was the best over the course of the season. Pastor had an almost Vettel-esque dominance of the 2010 GP2 season, in a grid of equal cars.

Yes it maters. As I said, he is fast and able to win with the fastest car, but a danger when fighting with others. As I said, you can't compare just what you want. 1GP2 = 1GP2 title, yes. 1 Hamilton does not equal 1 Maldonado because both won the same tittle.

And some cars are more "alike" than other. That is why he had a "Vettel-esque dominance".

Considering that Lewis Hamilton has a GP2 title under his belt as well, it shows that it takes talent to win the GP2 title, doesn't it?

It takes all sorts of talent and other conditions to win. Hamilton won showing his aggressiveness that granted has little place in F1. Pastor only won by winning "from the lead" when his opposition was... well, not Grosjean or Hamilton.

I still don't get why there is so much hate directed towards pay drivers, as if they don't deserve to exist in motorsport, because they are automatically untalented. Ayrton Senna and Michael Schuamcher were pay drivers. So was Fernando Alonso. And now we have Maldonado. All showed promise in their first season, and won their first races in their second season, in cars that were not the best on the grid at the time.

Don't generalize. I don't hate pay drivers per se. And I don't excuse them just "because" money is needed evil like some do. Pay drivers actually have it harder when they get where they want to, cause they have to prove they are not "just" pay drivers. Pastor has proved his solitary speed, once again. Still keeps crashing and being dangerous when he's not leading.

Ayrton Senna's racecraft was similar to Malodnado's, in a day when Formula 1 was far more dangerous. Yet, he's called the man with passion, determination and heart in his racecraft, while Maldonado is ridiculed for being a useless pay driver.

Come on... Ayrton proved he was not "just" a pay driver. His skills are legendary, even if you don't agree with his aggressiveness. Comparing Pastor to Perez? Good way to go. Comparing him to Ayrton?

And Pastor is not a useless pay driver. He is a fast pay driver. But one who also crashes a lot and can not have another car close to him for more than 3 seconds without ending in an "incident", unless other people back-off.

He needs a ban not to "hurt" him, or his championship (it's actually the right time for it... he only scored points twice and won't be going anywhere like this).

He needs it to cool off and stop being a danger. To shape up and become a better driver. Worked in the past...

If he does change, I for one will change my opinion. No problem what so ever...

 

[FranciscoJR]

Not to defend Pastor but Perez should have been more patient. Both were in cold tires and it takes a driver to trust the other driver when coming so close like that, too bad they came into contact like that.

 

[BlacqueJacques]

This is the reason that Mclaren have dropped back. They've spent all their time designing that

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