2013 GTR vs 2012 Porsche 911 Turbo S

[eSZee]

Porsche makes you pay extra for leaving stuff off the car! You can't have door handles and that's another $15,000! why not buy the normal car and strip it your self and save thousands. I know lambo and a couple others do it to but at least they give you a bunch more power for the lighter "race" models

Because you can afford to have someone do it. People can do with their money as they wish. Whether you or I think it's a waste, doesn't matter.

 

[Organ-Donor]

By the way, a very credible GTR owner from NAGTROC reported he ran 10.88 and 10.89 1/4 mile in his stock 2013 GTR.

 

[TVC]

That's because a lot of the GTR options come standard, not extra options like in the Porsche.

That's true but I think that might also be why is costs less. It is easier to put something on a car as standard then have it as an option not everyone will select. For example you can have wood, leather, CF, and aluminum trim on the interior of a 911 all at once (why anyone would do that I don't know). Having the ability to do that must make putting the car together more complicated in some way. One car could have next to no options then the next might have every option available. I know the options cost quite a bit but a car with no options has to go through the same process as one with all of them.

I could be wrong, I am not very familiar with that aspect of Porsche's business model but that is just the way I see it.

The GTR has nice quality interior. Great Recaro seats that keep you planted, carbon fiber parts in various areas, and a computer screen that gives more track/performance data than you know what to do with. I've been in a few Porsche's and I do like their interiors.

I have no doubt that both have a nice interior. Materials are likely very similar with Porsche having more options like a leather Headliner, leather air conditioning slats, leather b-pillar, leather seat belt buckle.

Me too, will be interesting how Nissan responds.

It will even be interesting to see what Porsche does. They have been testing the new Turbo but no one really know anything important about it right now. They changed quite a bit on the 991 from the 997 and this is the first new 911 to be released since the GT-R so now they can start off fresh against the GT-R. I think that is the biggest thing: this is the first time Porsche has really gotten a complete chance to respond to Nissan.

 

[TVC]

By the way, a very credible GTR owner from NAGTROC reported he ran 10.88 and 10.89 1/4 mile in his stock 2013 GTR.

Someone got 10.81 at 129 in a Turbo S.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Porsche-911-Turbo-Timeslip-21675.html

Very similar performance.

 

[Organ-Donor]

It will even be interesting to see what Porsche does. They have been testing the new Turbo but no one really know anything important about it right now. They changed quite a bit on the 991 from the 997 and this is the first new 911 to be released since the GT-R so now they can start off fresh against the GT-R. I think that is the biggest thing: this is the first time Porsche has really gotten a complete chance to respond to Nissan.

Very true. The new Porsche should be ridiculous.

Someone got 10.81 at 129 in a Turbo S.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Porsche-911-Turbo-Timeslip-21675.html

Very similar performance.

Oh I know, I was just saying in reference to someone saying the "slower GTR" from the article. Most articles do publish 11.1 quarter mile times, but I've heard from numerous owners of stock 2013 GTR's that sub 11's are doable.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

I think both of these cars are more amazing than desirable. Both are very heavy but use turbochargers and AWD to create amazing performance. However, I would rather have the driver make the car fast, not the computers in the car. Ex: Corvette Z06.

Corvette C5 and C6 Z06 -starting from 1998 do have computer and sensors to assist the driver, they are always turned on by default. TC and Active Handling System helps the driver to better control the car on the limit, by limiting wheel spin, applying brakes to all four corners as necessary, among other things. There are various sensors on the car, steering, yaw, acceleration,etc. Almost all modern sports car have electronics to help the driver, be it TC, ABS, EBD, ESP, and so many other names car manufacturer use.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/tech/c5/activehandling.html

 

[TVC]

Very true. The new Porsche should be ridiculous.


Oh I know, I was just saying in reference to someone saying the "slower GTR" from the article. Most articles do publish 11.1 quarter mile times, but I've heard from numerous owners of stock 2013 GTR's that sub 11's are doable.

Yeah these cars are almost to close to even compare, at least with these tests.

Sport Auto got 7:34 on Nuburgring in a 2011 GT-R. They got 7:44 in a Turbo S. And I am guessing the 2013 GT-R would do it even faster.

 

[McLaren]

Porsche makes you pay extra for leaving stuff off the car! You can't have door handles and that's another $15,000! why not buy the normal car and strip it your self and save thousands. I know lambo and a couple others do it to but at least they give you a bunch more power for the lighter "race" models

That style not that exact car. And I know the specs of every make and model of Porsche there is.

Obviously, you don't & I'll bet you coined that idea into your head from Top Gear....Seriously, $15K for removed door handles? Exaggerate much?

The truth is if you knew anything, you'd know that the only removal option is the badge & that's free. The only models you were charged to remove other features were the GT cars & that was minimal as AC & Radio delete options were free. The only reason it seems you were charged more for those cars is because they did more than strip out parts & features. Top Gear never acknowledged that the increase price includes better suspension, more power, etc., etc.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

Yeah these cars are almost to close to even compare, at least with these tests.

Sport Auto got 7:34 on Nuburgring in a 2011 GT-R. They got 7:44 in a Turbo S. And I am guessing the 2013 GT-R would do it even faster.

2013 GTR ran a 7:22.4 but that was with Sukuki-San behind the wheel

 

[TVC]

2013 GTR ran a 7:22.4 but that was with Sukuki-San behind the wheel

I wasn't aware of that, the newest one I found from factor was 2011 but it's good to know the 2013 one is even faster (2011 was 7:24.22). I also wanted to use Sport Auto because it is the same driver but thanks for posting the newest official GT-R time, proves the point even further. 👍

Also, I wonder how the new Viper will do compared to these cars. I know its not really a direct competitor but it is in a similar price range.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

I wasn't aware of that, the newest one I found from factor was 2011 but it's good to know the 2013 one is even faster (2011 was 7:24.22). I also wanted to use Sport Auto because it is the same driver but thanks for posting the newest official GT-R time, proves the point even further. 👍

Also, I wonder how the new Viper will do compared to these cars. I know its not really a direct competitor but it is in a similar price range.

yeah the 2011 ( 2012 US ) ran a 7:24.22 the 2013 ran a 7:22.XX as a shakedown run the next day was their official run and it rained it out.. Mizuno-san said it was capable of sub 7:20

here is the breakdown by year

USMY2009 7'38" Nurburgring on a partially damp track, Bridgestone tires
USMY2010 7'26.7" Nurburgring on a dry track, Dunlop summer tires SpecV wheels
USMY2012 7:24.22 Nurburgring revised Dunlop summer tires *unofficial practice lap ( Official run attempt was scrubbed due to wet track)
USMY2013 7:22.XX was recorded in a testing session conducted by Nissan




the viper i dunno i mean the ACR ran that crazy time of 7:12 or something like that right? i dont think the new gen GTS will equal that as that ACR was pretty much a race car

 

[TVC]

yeah the 2011 ( 2012 US ) ran a 7:24.22 the 2013 ran a 7:22.XX as a shakedown run the next day was their official run and it rained it out.. Mizuno-san said it was capable of sub 7:20

here is the breakdown by year

USMY2009 7'38" Nurburgring on a partially damp track, Bridgestone tires
USMY2010 7'26.7" Nurburgring on a dry track, Dunlop summer tires SpecV wheels
USMY2012 7:24.22 Nurburgring revised Dunlop summer tires *unofficial practice lap ( Official run attempt was scrubbed due to wet track)
USMY2013 7:22.XX was recorded in a testing session conducted by Nissan


the viper i dunno i mean the ACR ran that crazy time of 7:12 or something like that right? i dont think the new gen GTS will equal that as that ACR was pretty much a race car

Also the >30 minute time in 2009.

But more seriously, those are impressive times and they have been making it faster every year. I just can't wait to see how the 991 GT3/GT3 RS/Turbo do against this car.

Yeah the '09 ACR got 7:22.1 but I think the most impressive time is the 2012 ZR1 which got 7:19.63. I don't get how that car is so fast with no wing or anything, just simple RWD.

 

[Organ-Donor]

but I think the most impressive time is the 2012 ZR1 which got 7:19.63. I don't get how that car is so fast with no wing or anything, just simple RWD.

The ZR1 is incredible, I've rode in a 2012 on a track and it's ridiculous. I love them.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Bone stock 2013 GTR running 10.8

 

[Beeblebrox237]

Corvette C5 and C6 Z06 -starting from 1998 do have computer and sensors to assist the driver, they are always turned on by default. TC and Active Handling System helps the driver to better control the car on the limit, by limiting wheel spin, applying brakes to all four corners as necessary, among other things. There are various sensors on the car, steering, yaw, acceleration,etc. Almost all modern sports car have electronics to help the driver, be it TC, ABS, EBD, ESP, and so many other names car manufacturer use.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/tech/c5/activehandling.html

Very true, and I'm not denying this, but even when you turn off traction and stability control the GTR and Turbo S have computers readjusting the torque biases in the AWD systems, looking for more grip. In a simple, RWD car like the Z06, when you turn off the driver aids then you are the only one who will find more grip. No computers doing it for you.

 

[Ddrizle]

I think the most impressive time is the 2012 ZR1 which got 7:19.63. I don't get how that car is so fast with no wing or anything, just simple RWD.

The 2012 ZR1 is Impressive indeed. These help alot.....

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Very true, and I'm not denying this, but even when you turn off traction and stability control the GTR and Turbo S have computers readjusting the torque biases in the AWD systems, looking for more grip. In a simple, RWD car like the Z06, when you turn off the driver aids then you are the only one who will find more grip. No computers doing it for you.

With R35 GTR you can turn off the VDC and there is a way to manually control the AWD systems, Japanese tuning companies made special torque controller, for instance HKS ATSC,
ATSC is active when vehicle speed is above 50km/h and when the brake is not applied. Therefore, it will not lead to instability from standing start or during low speed driving. With this device, the driver will have freedom to permanently adjust front torque at all times, so in practice, the computer won't change the torque distribution after ATSC has been set. So my guess with VDC turned off and ATSC set to certain level, then driver himself is in control of the vehicle, no other computer device interfere with the driver.

 

[Organ-Donor]

With R35 GTR you can turn off the VDC and there is a way to manually control the AWD systems, Japanese tuning companies made special torque controller, for instance HKS ATSC,
ATSC is active when vehicle speed is above 50km/h and when the brake is not applied. Therefore, it will not lead to instability from standing start or during low speed driving. With this device, the driver will have freedom to permanently adjust front torque at all times, so in practice, the computer won't change the torque distribution after ATSC has been set. So my guess with VDC turned off and ATSC set to certain level, then driver himself is in control of the vehicle, no other computer device interfere with the driver.

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[AJ11]

I was exaggerating!.they remove a bunch more stuff than just door handles! And you do pay more for it! Not just the badge that's the 06 911 and that's not a option that's how you get it. And I do know that they increase power and tweak the suspension.they also replace a bunch of stuff with carbon fiber to reduce weight. Yea I love top gear have seen ever episode many many times.(the UK version the USA one is terrible!) I love cars and crave the knowledge of every cars specs. I respect the engineering of Porsche. How could you not? They produce a very quick car which can compete with cars double there price tag!(or barely over power a car half its price in this scenario)back in 2000 when they made the 911 my car would beat that model down the track!. I however do not like the look of the car! Porsche has been around for years and compete and beat the best in the world! I just can't get over how ugly they are! My opinion I'm sure you hate the look of cars that I love.
Honestly you don't want Porsche to change there look? Yea keep the 911 the same but the others cars need a face lift!

 

[RocZX]

 

[Horde_R35]