2013 GTR vs 2012 Porsche 911 Turbo S

[Nish]

Also I see people frown upon the GTR's launch but not much elsewhere, I've never heard one person ever say "the new 302 only accelerates well because of it's launch control".

 

[Organ-Donor]

there is a reason for that. the GTR has had a sorted history with its launch control. its been a very discussed and debated topic in the car community with a bit of controversy ..so i think when these tests are done its just something that comes up because of either its reputation or the fact that it was so talked about the last few years and its just strongly associated with the car... other manufacturers have really flown under the radar with their launch control systems with no drama so they garner less attention

Some broken tranny's and void warranty's can be to thank. Thank god they got it right with the 2012's. I have yet to launch mine with it's current LC2.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Launch control is the byproduct of the customers pride and ego ... they want to win in every traffic light sprint or bragging about how fast it could go to 100kmh ... which is childish really, for me a sports car really shines when I can drive it daily and still could do a track day with no issues. Having a great 60 - to 200 kmh acceleration is also much more desirable than a standing start time. Most of the time the car would be traveling at speed anyway ...

 

[Zenith]

If it's about being a track car, buy an STI and throw 60 grand worth of mods on it, and it'll beat both the GT-R and a Turbo S on the track.

Or go buy an Atom. Or an SR8.

You cannot compare a factory car to something modified. The end.

 

[AJ11]

Those atoms are incredible! The power to weight ratio is bananas. But not to get off topic the gtr is a more exclusive car. plus I mean just look at it it's beautifully terrifying!

 

[Daverytimes]

Were I in the market for a car like one of those, I'd just get a new 911. Why? Because they look a million times better.

Looks are subjective, to me that does not look that good. It's the same design language that has persisted for so long and it's getting tiring (i know the car is all new)

 

[AJ11]

Took the words out of my mouth! Why does every Porsche look like a stretched vw bug? Except of course for the gt! Mid engine v10 just breath taking. They had a prototype called the spyder something it's in shift 2 they need to make that! That's the future of Porsche not what we've seen for the last 20 years

 

[niky]

Personally feel Launch Control and tranny breakage is a non-issue. Just like factory claims against Subaru after breakage on the track... just like Corvette engine failures on the track... just like Viper accessory issues... on the track...

When you race, things break. There are those of us ready to pay the price, there are those who don't. Given enough track-rat hooligans who are also whiners, and any car will appear to be the most unreliable car ever made.

 

[AJ11]

Exactly! You can't constantly red line a car and not expect things to go wrong. And that's why race cars are designed to come apart in minutes. Which is a feature that some super cars have. Most super cars now a days have adjustable suspensions and computers that ate easily adjusted. Wonder what a clutch for a r8 cost? Like 4gs?

 

[Luminis]

It's called "keeping an iconic shape alive". Personally, I'd enter epic car nerd rage as soon as Porsche drastically changes the desing of the 911. It''s basically the same thing as a shark's shape. Close to perfect from the beginning, so only minor differences due to evolution with each generation

 

[Organ-Donor]

It's called "keeping an iconic shape alive". Personally, I'd enter epic car nerd rage as soon as Porsche drastically changes the desing of the 911. It''s basically the same thing as a shark's shape. Close to perfect from the beginning, so only minor differences due to evolution with each generation

I saw a brand new 911 turbo next to a 458 italia yesterday driving a few cars ahead of me and gotta say even though it pales next to the 458, the 911 was still pretty for a Porsche. Then I rolled by in my GTR and the older guy in the 911 wanted nothing of it, he must of been late to the golf country club. The GTR put a Gallardo superleggera to shame about a month back (pulled a few car lengths on it) and I'm almost certain it was the same guy that was driving that Porsche.

The sleeker and thinner taillights on the new 911 is something I do like.

 

[Exorcet]

Launch control is the byproduct of the customers pride and ego ... they want to win in every traffic light sprint or bragging about how fast it could go to 100kmh ... which is childish really, for me a sports car really shines when I can drive it daily and still could do a track day with no issues. Having a great 60 - to 200 kmh acceleration is also much more desirable than a standing start time. Most of the time the car would be traveling at speed anyway ...

I don't know if it's childish, but I'm anti LC. I don't see any reason to want it exept for A: Merging with high speed traffic (under extreme conditions?) and B: Once and a while when, if you're bored, push the button and see what it feels like. I'd personally rather crawl off the line using my feet to work the pedals. It's the same reason I don't like traction control and stability control. I'd only use those driving on the road.

It's called "keeping an iconic shape alive". Personally, I'd enter epic car nerd rage as soon as Porsche drastically changes the desing of the 911. It''s basically the same thing as a shark's shape. Close to perfect from the beginning, so only minor differences due to evolution with each generation

I still think that moving away from 996 headlights was a terrible mistake. The rest looks pretty good though.

Anyway, the GT-R has really come a long way. It's always been crazy fast, but now it seems that the latest ones aren't quite as understeery and lack luster. I still don't like it when cars get bigger and heavier though, and I wonder what a lightweight GT-R with a more crude AWD system would have been like.

I really don't know which I would take between these two cars, but a 911 GT3/2 would probably be more fun than both.

 

[AJ11]

It's a easy decision between the 2! I don't want to be part if the Porsche club! Have you ever seen a 20 something year old driving a Porsche? No it's always some skeleton with a bad comb over and freaking (edit) driving gloves on! So yea GTR please...black.

 

[1241Penguin]

Have you ever seen a 20 something year old driving a Porsche?

Because most 20 something year olds have the money to buy a Porsche.

 

[Zenith]

It's a easy decision between the 2! I don't want to be part if the Porsche club! Have you ever seen a 20 something year old driving a Porsche? No it's always some skeleton with a bad comb over and freaking (edit) driving gloves on! So yea GTR please...black.

I see younger people in 911's all the time, especially GT3's.

Either way, I'm not the kind of poser who buys a car based on what kind of person I want to look like.

Edit: Right after I typed that I watched a 20-something and his friend drive by in a black Turbo S Cabriolet.

 

[CarolinaBlue704]

It would be difficult for me to choose between a GT3 RS and GT-R.

A Turbo S, not so much. I would much rather have the GT-R.

 

[Omnis]

Looks are subjective, to me that does not look that good. It's the same design language that has persisted for so long and it's getting tiring (i know the car is all new)

Sadly, not everyone has good taste.

 

[AJ11]

In NY Porsche is a middle age thing I guess. Never really liked them never will. Except the Carrara gt that's Porsche's future. Why can't they keep making cars like that instead if the same junk for the last 20 years.

 

[McLaren]

It's a easy decision between the 2! I don't want to be part if the Porsche club! Have you ever seen a 20 something year old driving a Porsche? No it's always some skeleton with a bad comb over and freaking (edit) driving gloves on! So yea GTR please...black.

And I can easily say that all I see driving GT-Rs are people in their 20's to early 30's douchebags.

We get it. You drink from the GT-R Kool Aid. You've made it evident numerous times already.

In NY Porsche is a middle age thing I guess. Never really liked them never will. Except the Carrara gt that's Porsche's future. Why can't they keep making cars like that instead if the same junk for the last 20 years.

Your ignorance to the brand is incredibly shocking....

 

[xNEVER-ONEx]

In NY Porsche is a middle age thing I guess. Never really liked them never will. Except the Carrara gt that's Porsche's future. Why can't they keep making cars like that instead if the same junk for the last 20 years.

A $500K super car is Porsche's future? LOL.

 

[MCNAGTROC]

And I can easily say that all I see driving GT-Rs are people in their 20's to early 30's douchebags.
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[AJ11]

That style not that exact car. And I know the specs of every make and model of Porsche there is. I even know the difference between the rear wheel drive and the 4wd. How the 4wd isn'tnecessary for experienced drivers. believe me I know everything there is to know about a Porsche. And yes they did come from a VW bug. I just don't like them. Rather have a rx7 any day! Or a gtr because that's what where focussing on in this thread.

 

[Beeblebrox237]

I think both of these cars are more amazing than desirable. Both are very heavy but use turbochargers and AWD to create amazing performance. However, I would rather have the driver make the car fast, not the computers in the car. Ex: Corvette Z06.

 

[TVC]

Interesting comparison. Porsche is my favorite company and I am not really a fan of the GT-R but if people like it I am fine with that. I never understood how someone who likes cars can really hate a car (unless it is truly terrible in some way). I think it is great the GT-R is trying to compete with Porsche because that means Porsche has to make their cars even better.

As far as pricing goes, I think it is kind of irrelevant in this test. I understand there is a huge price difference but Nissan is trying to directly compete with the Turbo and Turbo S but for a much lower price. That is exactly what this test is showing: does the GT-R do what is was made for. And in some ways it does and other it doesn't. Turbo S is better in a straight line, GT-R is better around a track.

I think the Turbo S also costs more because of what you get. I'm looking at the GT-R configurator right now and there aren't nearly as many options compared to Porsche's. You can change nearly everything on a 911, there is hardly anything you can change on a GT-R.

Not sure about material quality but it is hard to beat Porsche in that aspect. Their quality got worse during the 996 generation but 997's are about as good as it can be on any car, I would think this is especially true on a 2012 model. So it's also possible you are paying for higher quality and more customization means that the supply line is more complex which also adds to the cost.

Then of course one is a Nissan and one is a Porsche. But I don't think this explains as much as it may seem. Unless Porsche is making nearly $100,000 per car.

Old (2008) figures show Porsche makes about $28,000 per car and I would assume the more expensive the model the more they make.

It's amazing how similar these cars are. Just looking at the stats the Turbo S seems to be just a little faster. I am sure things change on the track since 997 Turbo's aren't really designed for the track compared to the GT3 and GT2.

Personally though, I wish the Turbo S was manual.

I hope they do a similar comparison when the 991 Turbo is released.

 

[Mr_X]

If I had the choice I'd go for the Porsche as I've always wanted one, although the gtr is a great car as well. I doubt I'll ever be able to afford either car though but one can dream right?

 

[TVC]

Porsche with Sport cup tires and $70k extra, but the GTR still holds its own. Throw sport cup tires and 70k into the GTR and it won't just blow the Porsche away, it will dropkick it off a cliff. I still respect Porsche (specific models), they have some track beasts and can run with the best.

Sure but doesn't that take the whole point away from the comparison?

I mean, Nissan could have put the same tires on but they chose not to.

$70,000 into nearly any car will get you major performance unless you are spending $70,000 on air fresheners. I understand what you are saying and I am not disagreeing because there is nothing to disagree with but any car can be made fast with enough money. And both these cars being turboed and very similar I think the amount of money for mods is about the same.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Sure but doesn't that take the whole point away from the comparison?

I mean, Nissan could have put the same tires on but they chose not to.

$70,000 into nearly any car will get you major performance unless you are spending $70,000 on air fresheners. I understand what you are saying and I am not disagreeing because there is nothing to disagree with but any car can be made fast with enough money. And both these cars being turboed and very similar I think the amount of money for mods is about the same.

Yes, this is from a previous post I made about someone talking about throwing money into an STI and making it a track car vs stock:

That's why I don't get into that debate. You could always throw aftermarket parts into a car and beat something costing 3 times as much. You could have a Honda Civic running circles around a 458 Italia for a fraction of the price, but you are still in a Civic . Although the GTR stock is still a supercar with insane performance, unlike the Civic's or STI's.

 

[TVC]

Yes, this is from a previous post I made about someone talking about throwing money into an STI and making it a track car vs stock:

Yeah I saw that and I agree. I think what it comes down to is what you want and how you want to get there.

 

[AJ11]

Porsche makes you pay extra for leaving stuff off the car! You can't have door handles and that's another $15,000! why not buy the normal car and strip it your self and save thousands. I know lambo and a couple others do it to but at least they give you a bunch more power for the lighter "race" models

 

[Organ-Donor]

I think the Turbo S also costs more because of what you get. I'm looking at the GT-R configurator right now and there aren't nearly as many options compared to Porsche's. You can change nearly everything on a 911, there is hardly anything you can change on a GT-R.

That's because a lot of the options from the Porsche already come standard in the GTR.

Not sure about material quality but it is hard to beat Porsche in that aspect. Their quality got worse during the 996 generation but 997's are about as good as it can be on any car, I would think this is especially true on a 2012 model. So it's also possible you are paying for higher quality and more customization means that the supply line is more complex which also adds to the cost.

The GTR has nice quality interior. Great Recaro seats that keep you planted, carbon fiber parts in various areas, and a computer screen that gives more track/performance data than you know what to do with. I've been in a few Porsche's and I do like their interiors.

I hope they do a similar comparison when the 991 Turbo is released.

Me too, will be interesting how Nissan responds.