2013 NASCAR Thread

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Sorry if this offends anyone (or everyone) but...

Dale's dead. Been 12 years now. Dead people don't do stuff or have feelings & smile or pull for other drivers, because, you know, they stopped being alive.

I mean, I liked the guy as much as anybody else back in the day, but at some point you have to move on.

Pretty much this. All "he's up there somewhere smiling, etc" is gonna do is get a heated religious debate going.

If someone wanted to say, "he'd be smiling if he were still with us", then we might have a logical discussion. But he died over a decade ago and there's no way to prove whether he is or isn't currently active in some higher dimension. Like you said, we all need to accept what happened was a tragedy and move on.

Looking ahead to Bristol, it's hard not to go with Kyle Busch. We'll see.
 
http://www.motorracingnetwork.com/R...icles/2013/03/Opinion-The-Kids-All-Right.aspx

Defending NASCAR Sprint Cup Series Champion Brad Keselowski has come out of the gate hot in 2013, with three top-five finishes in the first three races.

The success of his "Blue Deuce" has made some ask the question, "What's wrong with Joey Logano?" To that question, I shall address the jury.

The Case of the New Team:

Logano was one of two big-name drivers to switch teams for 2013, the other being Matt Kenseth. In both cases, the driver was not only switching teams but manufacturers. While Kenseth got a win last Sunday in Las Vegas, he's also had his share of misfortune including a couple blown engines which Kenseth admits were 100 percent his fault. The 2003 series champ also admitted to being very nervous at his new location and wanted to prove that he was a good pickup for Joe Gibbs Racing. If the 41-year old, two-time Daytona 500 winner is nervous, then where would you put 23-year old Logano's emotions? Most still consider him to be just a "kid." Yet from everything I've witnessed so far this season, Logano has been cool, calm and collected. His crew chief, Todd Gordon, told me that Joey has spent more time at the shop getting to know the guys and be part of the team than any driver he's ever been around. The bottom line is with any change of teams, there needs to be an adjustment time for all involved. Kenseth's win was considered a surprise, as some JGR sources told me they felt it would be May before they had things put in place. Logano should be given the same amount of time.

The Case of the Daytona Draft:

There's one thing Penske Racing has delivered every week so far: fast racecars. Logano had one of the only cars that could pass in the middle at Daytona. He got stuck in the bottom lane late in the race trying to make something happen and without any drafting help, got shuffled back to 19th at the finish. He was criticized by other drivers who said late in the "500," Logano was too unpredictable and making "crazy" moves to get up front. Um ... excuse my ignorance here, but it was the Daytona 500! Maybe Greg Biffle should have made a crazy move and tried to win the race. Dale Earnhardt Jr. made a wild move to get into position to slingshot past Biffle and try to win the race. Nobody criticized that. Fact is, Logano had a car that was fast and with help, could have finished in the top 10. In my mind, there's the Daytona 500 and then there's the rest of the NASCAR schedule. If it's me, I do everything I can to win that race. Forget the points!

The Case of the "Funky" Fuel:

During the first two races of the season, Logano's No. 22 Ford was plagued by fuel system issues. They started at Daytona and continued through the weekend at Phoenix International Raceway. In fact, Logano apparently ran out of fuel on the last lap at PIR, only to discover that there were two gallons left in the tank when he got back to the garage. Was it a faulty fuel pump or a pickup problem? Neither. It turned out that the fuel lines had been placed in a different location inside the car than in the past. The lines were getting too hot, causing the fuel to percolate which - in turn - would cause air to accumulate in the lines and "vapor-lock" the system. It wasn't until they examined the lines with Ford Racing that they diagnosed the problem and fixed it. Still, it was too little, too late for Logano. He had a certain top-10 day go by the wayside, finishing 26th.

... And the Speeding Fusion:

With the fuel system fixed, Logano headed to Las Vegas in search of better luck. The team unloaded a fast, balanced Ford and all signs pointed to a successful weekend. However, Logano made a mistake on pit road - guilty of speeding and tagged with a drive-through penalty that buried their car deep in the field. Logano drove his way back to the front but couldn't quite snag a top 10, finishing 12th. He admitted after the race that his mistake cost the team a potential top-five finish. It may be easy to point at Logano for the penalty and say, "See, he's not that good." But Kevin Harvick, Tony Stewart and several others also received speeding tickets in Vegas. In fact, it was a common occurrence. By the way, Harvick finshed just three spots ahead of Logano and Stewart one.

In Conclusion:

It's easy to question Joey Logano's start to the 2013 season comapred to teammate Keselowski. But when you dig deeper, you see the speed in that Shell-Penzoil Ford. And while maybe the team hasn't fully executed a complete race yet, Logano sits 15th in points. If we mark the Charlotte race in May as our "getting-to-know-you" deadline, then as far as I'm concerned the "Kid" is all right.

The opinions expressed here are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the positions of the Motor Racing Network.
 
Sorry if this offends anyone (or everyone) but...

Dale's dead. Been 12 years now. Dead people don't do stuff or have feelings & smile or pull for other drivers, because, you know, they stopped being alive.

There is no way to prove that he is or isn't. You have to assume both. *refers slightly to Schrodinger's cat* Can't you let us have this one?
 
Sorry if this offends anyone (or everyone) but...

Dale's dead. Been 12 years now. Dead people don't do stuff or have feelings & smile or pull for other drivers, because, you know, they stopped being alive.

I mean, I liked the guy as much as anybody else back in the day, but at some point you have to move on.

With that said, my money is on Kyle Busch this weekend. sadly.

The funniest part about it is that the kid that said this was barely alive when it happened. He was definitely too young to remember that day as it unfolded.




Also, I can't recommend this enough:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=162041

Don't constantly complain about his stupid "legacy" and "X-time" posts, while forcing yourself (and others, for those that quote them) to keep reading them. Make them GO AWAY, for EVERYONE.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=162041
 
I was four when Dale died. I remember that day like it was yesterday.

Also I can live with the nickname "5 time" or the legacy of Dale Sr., but that's about it. Not every driver is going to leave a legacy.
 
It looks like you've just copied and pasted an article and gave it its own thread. This topic belongs on the 2013 NASCAR thread.
 
I'm curious. If my post can't be a thread because it belongs in the "NASCAR 2013 Thread".

Then how come the thread "Will Jeff Gordon win a race this year (and make the chase)?" can be it's own thread?

Should that not have been under the NASCAR 2012 Thread? I'm just saying, if you're going to make rules you may want to start being consistent on enforcing them.
 
Hamlin's decision, just tweeted:

@dennyhamlin
After a lot of thought I have decided not to appeal the fine NASCAR has issued. Dragging myself, my team and NASCAR through the mud for the next 2 weeks would not be good for anyone. I firmly believe I am in the right on this issue and will stand behind my decision not to pay. I understand NASCAR will do what they feel is necessary based on my decision. Thanks to all of my fans and peers who have supported me in this decision. I look forward to putting it to rest.
 
I hope he gets suspended. Although I do agree with him in that NASCAR maybe should have went about it a different way, I just don't like him and would love to see him be suspended and have no shot at the championship this year.
 
All he would have to do is make the chase. Could certainly be done even with missing a race or two.
 
The roof is yellow just like the 2001-2002 15 car.

Yes, because one panel makes the entire scheme. Car number decal is much smaller, and different, and the stiping along the front and sides are the same shape as the 5-hour energy job and the Peak scheme, just with a NAPA pallette swap.

Looking at the PR photo now... ummm, no it isn't. The pillars are, the roof is blue.
 
I hope he gets suspended. Although I do agree with him in that NASCAR maybe should have went about it a different way, I just don't like him and would love to see him be suspended and have no shot at the championship this year.

That's silly.
 
I hope he gets suspended. Although I do agree with him in that NASCAR maybe should have went about it a different way, I just don't like him and would love to see him be suspended and have no shot at the championship this year.

I absolutely disagree, I don't want him to be suspended just because a pathetic organization can't handle well thought out feedback and this is coming from someone who has for a long while, never liked Denny Hamlin.
 
If a driver gets suspended and misses races are they still considered full time.. they probably are but dont you have to run the entire schedule to win the championshipÉ
 
Like I said..I agree with Hamlin..just dont like him and would find it funny. Sorry if I can laugh at others misfortune more than you guys but I just dont like him and would have liked to see him get suspended just for the sake of being able to laugh at him. May be a little vindictive but it is what it is. I am very biased. Always have been, always will be.
 
Like I said..I agree with Hamlin..just dont like him and would find it funny. Sorry if I can laugh at others misfortune more than you guys but I just dont like him and would have liked to see him get suspended just for the sake of being able to laugh at him. May be a little vindictive but it is what it is. I am very biased. Always have been, always will be.

If a driver gets suspended and misses races are they still considered full time.. they probably are but dont you have to run the entire schedule to win the championshipÉ

He is still considered a full time driver, as he chose to collect points in the Sprint Cup series. If he get's suspended it will mean that he will be at a point deficit.

Also, stop double posting, please.
 
He is still considered a full time driver, as he chose to collect points in the Sprint Cup series. If he get's suspended it will mean that he will be at a point deficit.

Also, stop double posting, please.

When did I double post?
 
If a driver gets suspended and misses races are they still considered full time.. they probably are but dont you have to run the entire schedule to win the championshipÉ

Like I said..I agree with Hamlin..just dont like him and would find it funny. Sorry if I can laugh at others misfortune more than you guys but I just dont like him and would have liked to see him get suspended just for the sake of being able to laugh at him. May be a little vindictive but it is what it is. I am very biased. Always have been, always will be.

Here.
 

Okay sorry I just figured out what you mean. I always thought double posting would be putting the same thing twice. Kind of a brain fart moment there. Now I get why people have said to edit not double post. I'm new can you tell? Plus I'm also used to a few other forums that don't care so sometimes I just don't think about not using text type and capitals and that stuff. I'm getting used to it though. Bare with me. Sorry again.
 
Don't suspend Denny, reduce the fine( not that it matters, it's chump change to him.), and get rid of Robin Pemberton. That's what I would do.
 
Don't suspend Denny, reduce the fine( not that it matters, it's chump change to him.), and get rid of Robin Pemberton & Brian France. That's what I would do.

Sounds about right.
 
By not appealing, Hamlin's going to pay the fine, even if it means paying involuntarily via automatic removal from his next race's winnings. He should have appealed if he didn't want to pay it.
 
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