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This is basically the same crap they pulled on Johnson last year at the 500 when they said they "Didn't like" The C-piller on the car. That annoys me to no end, why punish them if they aren't outright breaking the rules?
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Except Hendricks got to appeal to major exec from GM and personal friend to get his points back...does that mean the captain gets to appeal his violation to a FOMOCO exec?
 
MustangManiac
Except Hendricks got to appeal to major exec from GM and personal friend to get his points back...does that mean the captain gets to appeal his violation to a FOMOCO exec?
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Are we really bringing this back up again?

The point is its the exact same "We don't like this" sort of BS that they've done despite no rule being explicitly stating that said modification can't be done. Its sort've a problem I have with the while "Spirit of The Rules" thing. Why complain about the "Spirit" when you know someone is going to look for any advantage they possibly can and do so within the rules?
 
Blitz24
Penalties handed out to Truex (loss of 6 points), Keselowski (CC Suspended and loss of 25 points), Logano (see Keselowski) and Hornaday (25 points and probation) as a result of this past weekend's events.
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They went pretty tough on the penske boys.
 
RACECAR
Are we really bringing this back up again?

The point is its the exact same "We don't like this" sort of BS that they've done despite no rule being explicitly stating that said modification can't be done. Its sort've a problem I have with the while "Spirit of The Rules" thing. Why complain about the "Spirit" when you know someone is going to look for any advantage they possibly can and do so within the rules?
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Point taken and agreed on the "spirit of the rules" issue. If it is not illegal slap them on the wrist and let them race, if it is fine them!

On the other point, yes, I will bring it up when ever NASCAR shows it's bias as long as they continue to do so. Sorry if you don't like it, but I don't like the obvious bias shown. If Penske gets to appeal to a FOMOCO exec and gets his points back I will apologize to the group, eat my words and shut up :)
 
Unfortunately for Penske, National Stock Car Racing chief appellate officer John Middlebrook is a former GM executive. Since Penske races Ford cars, the penalties will be upheld. Same penalty handed to Johnson and Knaus after Daytona last year, upheld by by the 3 man appeals panel, but it gets to Middlebrook and it magically gets overturned. If you want to bend the rules a little, you have to drive Chevy.
 
ICEYOU
Unfortunately for Penske, National Stock Car Racing chief appellate officer John Middlebrook is a former GM executive. Since Penske races Ford cars, the penalties will be upheld. Same penalty handed to Johnson and Knaus after Daytona last year, upheld by by the 3 man appeals panel, but it gets to Middlebrook and it magically gets overturned. If you want to bend the rules a little, you have to drive Chevy.
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Do you really think that just because Penske is now a Ford team and NOT a Chevy team that the penalty will be upheld. They clearly broke the rules no doubts about it and the Knaus/Daytona thing from last year was overturned for other reasons none of which involve the Bowtie on the front
 
vetteman24
Do you really think that just because Penske is now a Ford team and NOT a Chevy team that the penalty will be upheld. They clearly broke the rules no doubts about it and the Knaus/Daytona thing from last year was overturned for other reasons none of which involve the Bowtie on the front
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I hate to say this, but he's right. Ever since the 50's, NASCAR has shown a clear bias towards GM.
 
Jahgee1124
I hate to say this, but he's right. Ever since the 50's, NASCAR has shown a clear bias towards GM.
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To be exact, it streams from Chevy refusing to officially come back into racing after pulling out in '58 with the rest of the manufactures (Although Pontiac obviously had a secret program with Ray Fox and Smokey Yunick, two great mechanics/car owners), even when Ford came back around '63 and began to win everything.
 
.....Did I miss something? Or everything?

Uhg, quick points:
-BK, STFU and deal.
-Brand bias? possibly, but considering that most involved most likely weren't at a company until the 80's and 90's, the Pontiac/Olds/Buick/Chevy show of strength at the time would be the main focus. Unless their 80+.
-On that, I call bull; just me though.
-NASCAR execs = heads up hind-ends.
 
BKGlover
.....Did I miss something? Or everything?

Uhg, quick points:
-BK, STFU and deal.
-Brand bias? possibly, but considering that most involved most likely weren't at a company until the 80's and 90's, the Pontiac/Olds/Buick/Chevy show of strength at the time would be the main focus. Unless their 80+.
-On that, I call bull; just me though.
-NASCAR execs = heads up hind-ends.
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In this case, you didn't miss anything. Its essentially what most of us already knew and just got further reminded thanks to Brian France.
 
Cool little story from MWR:
The events of this week's attack on the Boston Marathon hit especially close to Michael Waltrip Racing founder and co-owner Michael Waltrip. As the only NASCAR Sprint Cup driver or car owner to have run the Boston Marathon, Waltrip will honor the victims of the marathon tragedy by running special door numbers on his three NASCAR Sprint Cup entries this weekend at Kansas Speedway.
The door numbers on the #15, 55 and 56 MWR Toyota Camrys will replicate the 2013 Boston Marathon runner "bib" numbers, which are pinned on each of the nearly 30,000 runners. Waltrip posted a time of 4 hours, 33 minutes in the 2000 event.
"The news coming out of Boston this week was very personal to me," said Waltrip. "When I ran the Boston Marathon in 2000, I remember thinking about what a privilege it was to be able to participate and all the hard work it took to be there. When you can see those international flags flying in Copley Square, you know you are about to complete your journey. I know the joy those runners were feeling at that moment when their worlds changed. It was a great moment of pride when they pinned the Boston Marathon bib on me, so I thought it would be great to pin bib numbers on our race cars this week in Kansas. I want to thank our sponsors, NAPA AUTO PARTS, 5-Hour ENERGY and Aaron's, as well as NASCAR, for giving us permission to show our support. We just want the victims of the attack, the brave men and women who helped after the explosions and the city of Boston to know that we are thinking of them and we will support them anyway we can."
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As much grief as we(the world) give Michael, you have to give him the fact that while his head may not be fully attached, his heart is always in whatever it is. Good on you Mikey!
 
Ganon83
The officer killed last night at MIT was the brother of a Hendrick engineer.
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Yep....Here I leave the Hendrick Motorsports statement:

(The thoughts and prayers of everyone at Hendrick Motorsports are with Andrew Collier and his family. Andrew, a machinist in the Hendrick Motorsports engine department, tragically lost his brother, Officer Sean Collier, last night in Cambridge, Mass. We ask that the family’s privacy be considered during this difficult time.

Andrew, 25, joined Hendrick Motorsports in September 2008.)
 
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Surprised no-one has mentioned Hornish in the Penske #12 and Sadler in the JGR #81 this weekend.
 
Matt Kenseth wins the pole for the STP 400, with a time of 1:28.145. Carl Edwards will start in 2nd position and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. in 3rd place, with Sam Hornish Jr. and Kyle Busch in 4th and 5th position.
 
Hernan04
Matt Kenseth wins the pole for the STP 400, with a time of 1:28.145. Carl Edwards will start in 2nd position and Ricky Stenhouse Jr. in 3rd place, with Sam Hornish Jr. and Kyle Busch in 4th and 5th position.
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Jahgee1124
How did Kenseth win the pole with a 1 and a half minute lap? That's slow as molasses
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Yeah, that's very slow for a lap around a Mile 1/2 Track.
 
RACECAR
Yeah, that's very slow for a lap around a Mile 1/2 Track.
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I think I made ​​a mistake there, was 28.145, not 1:28.145:lol:
Here I leave the times of all drivers:

1. (20) Matt Kenseth, Toyota, 191.864 mph.
2. (99) Carl Edwards, Ford, 191.748 mph.
3. (17) Ricky Stenhouse Jr. #, Ford, 191.734 mph.
4. (12) Sam Hornish, Jr.(i), Ford, 191.401 mph.
5. (18) Kyle Busch, Toyota, 190.853 mph.
6. (43) Aric Almirola, Ford, 190.779 mph.
7. (56) Martin Truex Jr., Toyota, 190.651 mph.
8. (55) Mark Martin, Toyota, 190.282 mph.
9. (39) Ryan Newman, Chevrolet, 190.221 mph.
10. (15) Clint Bowyer, Toyota, 190.134 mph.
11. (16) Greg Biffle, Ford, 190.067 mph.
12. (27) Paul Menard, Chevrolet, 189.780 mph.
13. (78) Kurt Busch, Chevrolet, 189.534 mph.
14. (1) Jamie McMurray, Chevrolet, 189.221 mph.
15. (9) Marcos Ambrose, Ford, 189.195 mph.
16. (11) Brian Vickers(i), Toyota, 189.182 mph.
17. (29) Kevin Harvick, Chevrolet, 189.155 mph.
18. (14) Tony Stewart, Chevrolet, 189.023 mph.
19. (42) Juan Pablo Montoya, Chevrolet, 188.758 mph.
20. (31) Jeff Burton, Chevrolet, 188.679 mph.
21. (48) Jimmie Johnson, Chevrolet, 188.442 mph.
22. (22) Joey Logano, Ford, 188.317 mph.
23. (88) Dale Earnhardt Jr., Chevrolet, 188.311 mph.
24. (81) Elliott Sadler(i), Toyota, 187.996 mph.
25. (10) Danica Patrick #, Chevrolet, 187.774 mph.
26. (34) David Ragan, Ford, 187.441 mph.
27. (5) Kasey Kahne, Chevrolet, 187.370 mph.
28. (38) David Gilliland, Ford, 187.279 mph.
29. (98) Michael McDowell, Ford, 187.272 mph.
30. (13) Casey Mears, Ford, 186.922 mph.
31. (83) David Reutimann, Toyota, 186.909 mph.
32. (93) Travis Kvapil, Toyota, 186.728 mph.
33. (2) Brad Keselowski, Ford, 186.657 mph.
34. (47) Bobby Labonte, Toyota, 186.561 mph.
35. (19) Mike Bliss(i), Toyota, 186.528 mph.
36. (35) Josh Wise(i), Ford, 186.419 mph.
37. (32) Timmy Hill #, Ford, Owner Points
38. (30) David Stremme, Toyota, Owner Points
39. (33) Landon Cassill, Chevrolet, Owner Points
40. (36) JJ Yeley, Chevrolet, Owner Points
41. (51) Regan Smith(i), Chevrolet, Owner Points
42. (7) Dave Blaney, Chevrolet, Owner Points
43. (24) Jeff Gordon, Chevrolet, Owner Points

And 1 driver failed to qualify: 44. (87) Joe Nemechek(i), Toyota, 185.912 mph.
 

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