2013 NASCAR Thread

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Stormtrooper217
About Penske Racing and Richard Petty Motorsports, are they actually going to have a worse year than 2012 in 2013 due to Penske switching to Ford? Ford gives Roush the best support of all teams that are using Ford as their manufacturer, so wouldn't Penske be second in line, followed by RPM getting the leftovers of what would originally go to RFR and Penkse?
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I wouldn't say Penske necessarily will. They got Brad Keseloski so they'll be fine. As for RPM, Aric Almorola and Marcos Ambrose have improved massively on the ovals so I would think they too won't come out badly.
 
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I wouldn't say Penske necessarily will. They got Brad Keseloski so they'll be fine. As for RPM, Aric Almorola and Marcos Ambrose have improved massively on the ovals so I would think they too won't come out badly.
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While Keselowski is a great driver and the drivers at RPM have improved greatly, the point that I'm trying to make is that Ford has more teams that they have to cater to. The only major team that Dodge had to worry about in the last few years was Penske Racing, so they had no problem distributing their best equipment to Penske as they didn't have to "split" the equipment among teams using Dodge.

Now that Penske has switched to Ford, Ford will have another team they have to support. To my knowledge, Roush Fenway has been Ford's flagship team since the 90's and they have received the best support from Ford since then. Penske, when using Ford in the 90's and early 2000's, received the second best equipment. While Penske didn't outright "struggle", they could just barely match the top teams, one of the main reasons being that they had Rusty Wallace as their driver. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of these reasons.

I'm sure Ford will find a way to evenly distribute their best equipment among the teams.
 
Where did Robert Yates Racing fit in then during all this? Didn't they build all their own engines?
 
Furinkazen
Where did Robert Yates Racing fit in then during all this? Didn't they build all their own engines?
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I forgot about RYR. And yes, all of the teams build their own engines. Manufacturers supply the teams, mainly with separate parts for the cars, not every last thing.

All teams build their own engines and chassis, mostly made with the parts that the manufacturers supply them with. Lower tier teams rarely - if ever - receive as much manufacturer support as the higher tier teams, meaning that they do not perform as well as them due to them having worse equipment.
 
The Toyota teams don't build their own.

JGR did up until this year when they switched the the TRD/Triad supplied engines.

Roush-Yates builds all the Ford engines as well.
 
Yates had the best engine shop in the business in the nineties. The Ford engines today still bear his name, "Roush-Yates engines"
 
GTPorsche
The Toyota teams don't build their own.

JGR did up until this year when they switched the the TRD/Triad supplied engines.

Roush-Yates builds all the Ford engines as well.
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Forgot about TRD building the engines for JGR, as well as Hendrick Motorsports supplying Stewart-Haas. I'm such an idiot for forgetting that. :banghead: And I wasn't aware that Roush-Yates built all of the Ford engines in NASCAR.
 
Stormtrooper217
Forgot about TRD building the engines for JGR, as well as Hendrick Motorsports supplying Stewart-Haas. I'm such an idiot for forgetting that. :banghead: And I wasn't aware that Roush-Yates built all of the Ford engines in NASCAR.
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They build a TON of engines for high level Ford motorsports teams in the US not just Nascar. I'm impressed with what they have done!

I don't think Penske will get 2nd rate anything and they only get supplied the engines while RPM gets supplied everything basically.
 
MustangRyan
Yates had the best engine shop in the business in the nineties. The Ford engines today still bear his name, "Roush-Yates engines"
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Unarguably still does on the restrictor plate side, although also is hit and miss everywhere that isn't a cookie cutter.
 
Roush Industries preps the engines for the new Viper GTS-R as well. I thought that was a bit interesting to read about, even though it is a separate branch of the company.

So they aren't exclusively Ford...
 
MustangRyan
Yates had the best engine shop in the business in the nineties. The Ford engines today still bear his name, "Roush-Yates engines"
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That's debatable. I believe they had the best engines, but didn't have the talent to show off the true potential of the RF9 or whatever the hell it was called then. Dale Jarrett was RYR's only good driver.

Stormtrooper217
Hendrick Motorsports supplying Stewart-Haas. I'm such an idiot for forgetting that.
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And now Earnhardt-Ganassi Racing, which makes me wonder what's going to happen to Earnhardt-Childress Racing technologies?
 
Stormtrooper217
While Keselowski is a great driver and the drivers at RPM have improved greatly, the point that I'm trying to make is that Ford has more teams that they have to cater to. The only major team that Dodge had to worry about in the last few years was Penske Racing, so they had no problem distributing their best equipment to Penske as they didn't have to "split" the equipment among teams using Dodge.

Now that Penske has switched to Ford, Ford will have another team they have to support. To my knowledge, Roush Fenway has been Ford's flagship team since the 90's and they have received the best support from Ford since then. Penske, when using Ford in the 90's and early 2000's, received the second best equipment. While Penske didn't outright "struggle", they could just barely match the top teams, one of the main reasons being that they had Rusty Wallace as their driver. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of these reasons.

I'm sure Ford will find a way to evenly distribute their best equipment among the teams.
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While Penske had the advantage of not having that splitting of equipment with Dodge, they did have the massive lack of data sharing (which as we've seen has far outweighed that advantage of being that sole team) so If Brad could do what he did with little to no data sharing with Dodge, then he should have no trouble doing more now that Penske has that data sharing that Roger desires.

GTPorsche
Roush Industries preps the engines for the new Viper GTS-R as well. I thought that was a bit interesting to read about, even though it is a separate branch of the company.

So they aren't exclusively Ford...
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Thats interesting to know.
 
Is it just me or does "furniture Row" sound less like a racing team and more like a prison wing? "They took Kurt out of C block and put him in Furniture Row."
 
ICEYOU
Dale Jarrett was RYR's only good driver.
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And thanks to him we ended up with pit road speed limits along with no racing to caution flags which lead to "Lucky Dog" awards both of which real race fans didn't want to see happen. Then we ended up with lap down cars at the end of the line.
 
opelgt1969
And thanks to him we ended up with pit road speed limits along with no racing to caution flags which lead to "Lucky Dog" awards both of which real race fans didn't want to see happen. Then we ended up with lap down cars at the end of the line.
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Did you enjoy watching fatal pit road accidents in the "good ol' days"?
 
opelgt1969
And thanks to him we ended up with pit road speed limits along with no racing to caution flags which lead to "Lucky Dog" awards both of which real race fans didn't want to see.
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Both of which have made NASCAR much safer over the past 10-20 years?
When was the last time a crew member died on pit road after the speed limit was enforced?
As for racing back to the line, that cost Bobby Allison his brain for a couple of years along with his career.
 
Carbonox
Did you enjoy watching fatal pit road accidents in the "good ol' days"?
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In the "Good Ole Days" most drivers didn't lock their car up and slam into other cars and I think it's worse now than then, as far as "watching fatal pit road accidents" go I've never seen one can you verify one as I don't think a fatal one ever happened. Bad injuries yes fatal no. Of course we've never seen the likes of some of the newer drivers hitting pit road at speeds. Myself instead of pit road speeds go I would like to see pit road limiters on the cars like Indy/F1 uses because I don't like the "speed traps" most tracks end up with.
 
Fatal accident videos not allowed, but search "1990 atlanta journal 500" on Youtube.

Pit speed limits are essential for safety of the mechanics.

A great quote from the video's comments: "This is why when drivers complain about getting caught speeding on pit road, they should stfu and slow down."
 
opelgt1969
And thanks to him we ended up with pit road speed limits along with no racing to caution flags which lead to "Lucky Dog" awards both of which real race fans didn't want to see happen. Then we ended up with lap down cars at the end of the line.
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Actually, it was an incident involving Ricky Rudd on pit road that caused NASCAR to implement pit road speed limits.
 
GTPorsche
Actually, it was an incident involving Ricky Rudd on pit road that caused NASCAR to implement pit road speed limits.
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Rudd's car spun and crushed one of Bill Elliott's crew members.

Unrelated to the current topic, has anybody noticed that every 3 years since 1998, someone who has a connection to Dale Earnhardt won the Daytona 500?

Dale Earnhardt (the man himself) - 1998
Michael Waltrip (one of the drivers on his team) - 2001
Dale Earnhardt Jr. (his son) - 2004
Kevin Harvick (his replacement driver at RCR) - 2007
Jamie McMurray (driver for Earnhardt-Ganassi Racing, a merger between Dale Earnhardt Inc. and Chip Ganassi Racing) - 2010
 
Stormtrooper217
Rudd's car spun and crushed one of Bill Elliott's crew members.

Unrelated to the current topic, has anybody noticed that every 3 years since 1998, someone who has a connection to Dale Earnhardt won the Daytona 500?

Dale Earnhardt (the man himself) - 1998
Michael Waltrip (one of the drivers on his team) - 2001
Dale Earnhardt Jr. (his son) - 2004
Kevin Harvick (his replacement driver) - 2007
Jamie McMurray (driver for Earnhardt-Ganassi Racing, a merger between Dale Earnhardt Inc. and Chip Ganassi Racing) - 2010
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I think I've seen that list before, anyway, I'll keep that in mind when it's Fantasy NASCAR time again. :sly:
 
Carbonox
I think I've seen that list before, anyway, I'll keep that in mind when it's Fantasy NASCAR time again. :sly:
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And the driver has been different every time. Juan Pablo Montoya wins the 2013 Daytona 500?
 
MustangRyan
It's more likely that turn three catches on fire during the rac... um, nevermind.
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:lol:

And if you want to count RCR as a whole being connected to Earnhardt, then Paul Menard or Jeff Burton could continue the " every 3 years streak".
 

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