2013 NASCAR Thread

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ICEYOU
Racing on the Brickyard at night?! That's some futuristic type s*** nah mean??
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No, it makes them 20 years behind the curve.

Then again, I get the historical reasons for lights (local Saturday night racing), the physiological reasons (it's not 110 degrees outside), and the TV ratings reasoning, but I feel night racing is less interesting, because you don't see as much. The installed lights give you a mere fraction of the available sunlight, at best. Two or three night races were a novelty, now it's become a gimmick, like doing a doughnut and a reverse victory lap every time you win.
 
The only night race I ever cared more about because it was a night race was the All Stars race, and even then a lot of it was because I usually really liked the alternate liveries that most of the cars ran. I agree that now it's basically a non-event.
 
I genuinely enjoy the Darlington race at night but that's about it. I know traditionally it was held during the day but something about it at night works better.
 
I don't understand why we're still wasting time with Indy. Attendance is down, ratings are down, the drivers hate it because it wasn't ever intended for stock cars......... just give the date to a night race at Vegas and be done with it.
 
Ganon83
I don't understand why we're still wasting time with Indy. Attendance is down, ratings are down, the drivers hate it because it wasn't ever intended for stock cars......... just give the date to a night race at Vegas and be done with it.
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Vegas? No. That track doesn't deserve any more dates.
 
Just add a 3rd road course instead. Barber, COTA, Road America, VIR, Mid-Ohio, the infield at Daytona, whatever... it needs to happen.
 
To further push my last post, NASCAR doesn't need anymore 1.5 mile races or tracks. There's too many now, and they come in two forms: Charlotte, and Vegas. The one form provides great racing and the other causes boring races.
 
Ganon83
I don't understand why we're still wasting time with Indy. Attendance is down, ratings are down, the drivers hate it because it wasn't ever intended for stock cars......... just give the date to a night race at Vegas and be done with it.
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I don't understand that either. They clearly got more people to watch the Grand-Am race then they did the Cup race. That schedule shift will always bug me because ORP was just fine for Nationwide races as from what I've seen, the stands were always packed. Hardly anyone shows up for the NASCAR races at the actual speedway.

As for the date, I agree a third Road Course should be added and since this has proven popular in Nationwide, I think it should be Road America. They don't want to go overseas, fine. Just go there, clearly that has a huge fanbase now.

Speaking of road courses, anyone have any idea on how this new car will handle those? With the supposed lighter weight and changes to things like the camber and rear bar, Maybe we won't see nearly as much of the famous three wheel bouncing we usually see.
 
GTPorsche
To further push my last post, NASCAR doesn't need anymore 1.5 mile races or tracks. There's too many now, and they come in two forms: Charlotte, and Vegas. The one form provides great racing and the other causes boring races.
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I wouldn't mind taking a Kansas date away and giving Atlanta it's second race back (although they have different owners).

Kansas had aged into a really nice racetrack. Bumpy, wore tires out, and had multiples grooves to run. The repave/reconfiguration killed it. Now the track has no character, lap times get faster throughout a run (because super hard tires are required), and it's pretty much a bottom-only groove track now. Progressive banking doesn't help on a freshly repaved track, and these repaves are so efficient now, it takes several years for tracks to start redeveloping character to the point where a 2nd or 3rd groove can be effective again.

Atlanta on the other hand is a fantastic racetrack. I dread the day it's repave date is announced, however far away that is.
 
Indy and Pocono are two tracks I would really like to see removed. I would love to have Darlington in the chase, a race at Texas Word Speedway, and a Cup race at Road America.
 
iRevelationz
Kansas had aged into a really nice racetrack. Bumpy, wore tires out, and had multiples grooves to run. The repave/reconfiguration killed it. Now the track has no character, lap times get faster throughout a run (because super hard tires are required), and it's pretty much a bottom-only groove track now. Progressive banking doesn't help on a freshly repaved track, and these repaves are so efficient now, it takes several years for tracks to start redeveloping character to the point where a 2nd or 3rd groove can be effective again.

Atlanta on the other hand is a fantastic racetrack. I dread the day it's repave date is announced, however far away that is.
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Given NASCAR's obsession with repaves, I don't think it be long. Really hate that they've gone crazy with it. I understand with Daytona, that was necessary because who knows how long that could've gone before the whole thing started falling apart. Everywhere else I don't, it feels like they are so desperate to get fans to pack the stands that instead of actually lowering ticket prices, they're fiddling with everything else.
 
RACECAR
Given NASCAR's obsession with repaves, I don't think it be long. Really hate that they've gone crazy with it. I understand with Daytona, that was necessary because who knows how long that could've gone before the whole thing started falling apart. Everywhere else I don't, it feels like they are so desperate to get fans to pack the stands that instead of actually lowering ticket prices, they're fiddling with everything else.
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They also repaved Darlington before the 2008 race, 15 years before it was due for a repave. :crazy: I don't buy into the 🤬 that the "old" circuit is coming back; NASCAR officially killed it with the repave turning it into yet another 500 mile snoozefest track, just egg shaped. :yuck:
 
The best track, I think, for repaving with progressive banking was Bristol. Before the repave it was bottom ruled, and the only way around someone was to use the chrome horn. At least they can run side by side for a few laps, or until they hit traffic.
 
Lionheart2113
The best track, I think, for repaving with progressive banking was Bristol. Before the repave it was bottom ruled, and the only way around someone was to use the chrome horn. At least they can run side by side for a few laps, or until they hit traffic.
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No. Even that repave messed up the track.
 
Lionheart2113
The best track, I think, for repaving with progressive banking was Bristol. Before the repave it was bottom ruled, and the only way around someone was to use the chrome horn. At least they can run side by side for a few laps, or until they hit traffic.
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I respectfully (and strongly) disagree.

Bristol used to be the king of short tracks, so to speak. What do short tracks represent? Rough racing. Bumping, banging, tempers, the works. Bristol had this. Along with it's massive baking that allowed very high speeds for a track so small, this combination made Bristol a truly special and unique track.

When the track was reconfigured in 2007, that uniqueness was gone. They took a 1/2 mile track that was arguably the most popular in NASCAR, and attempted to make it race like an intermediate track. The result was the "soul" of Bristol being destroyed, along with the introduction of a dominant outside groove.

Fans complained. Many wanted the old Bristol back. So Bruton Smith gets the genius idea that grinding 2 degrees of banking away from the top few feet of the track will somehow fix the problem. WRONG. Now the outside is even more dominant than it was before. And since the outside is the groove, drivers can't do the "bump and run" because there's no where to bump someone to (except into the wall). Also, since the outside is so dominant, passing on the bottom has became nearly impossible.

Bristol died 6 years ago.
 
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I can see that iRevelationz, I too miss the days at Bristol when the car in victory lane looked like it had been in a derby, but there are some...and by some I mean very few, who set their cars up to the bottom. If you can get it to work, it's alot easier to pass if there isn't anyone taking your line.
 
iRevelationz
I respectfully (and strongly) disagree.

Bristol used to be the king of short tracks, so to speak. What do short tracks represent? Rough racing. Bumping, banging, tempers, the works. Bristol had this. Along with it's massive baking that allowed very high speeds for a track so small, this combination made Bristol a truly special and unique track.

When the track was reconfigured in 2007, that uniqueness was gone. They took a 1/2 mile track that was arguably the most popular in NASCAR, and attempted to make it race like an intermediate track. The result was the "soul" of Bristol being destroyed, along with the introduction of a dominant outside groove.

Fans complained. Many wanted the old Bristol back. So Bruton Smith gets the genius idea that grinding 2 degrees of banking away from the top few feet of the track will somehow fix the problem. WRONG. Now the outside is even more dominant than it was before. And since the outside is the groove, drivers can't do the "bump and run" because there's no where to bump someone to (except into the wall). Also, since the outside is so dominant, passing on the bottom has became nearly impossible.

Bristol died 6 years ago.
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This. Summed it up nicely. 👍
 
Ganon83
I don't understand why we're still wasting time with Indy. Attendance is down, ratings are down, the drivers hate it because it wasn't ever intended for stock cars......... just give the date to a night race at Vegas and be done with it.
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Let me explain that Vegas was just the first track that came in my mind, because Smith has wanted it for years now. I doubt it would go to Vegas because Smith would get another race, and that can't happen in NASCAR's point of view.
 
The "Air Titan" got it's first test today.

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So in its first test, how long did it take for this to dry the track?
 
I'm a little curious why they can't hook up the generator/compressor to the truck then the dryer to that instead of all those lines? I hope it works as planned for them but that's alot of stuff to travel with too.
 
RACECAR
So in its first test, how long did it take for this to dry the track?
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I don't know that they did dry it all the way as it looks like only 1 unit was there.

Here is a video explaining it more.


For the first time ever I hope it rains.:lol:
 

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