2013 NASCAR Thread

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Furinkazen
Umm... didn't they run #10 (Reutimann) / #36 / #37 last season all together?
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I think they usually alternated between what two cars would run. There was also the fact that Patrick was in the car part-time with SHR crew.
 
37 I believe was a seperate team owned by Larry Gunselman who merged operations with TBR at the end of the season.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Oh that old bit, somewhat circular thinking on your part. It seems more likely that the camber setup was too much, though it is hard to believe due him coming through the field a few times during the race. Running four tire stops thus having fresher tires than anyone else. Also Kahne ran a similar strategy and even at cruising speed cut down a tire. So how is it that an equally hard running Biffle on older left side tires didn't run into the same issue. Also it was a left blow out/cut down, meaning that debris was more likely the culprit because the wear rate at Michigan is quite minimal on left side tires. Hence Junior running as fast of laps before blowing up with left side tires 130+ laps old. Yet this clearly means nothing because JJ's word is absolute and he couldn't possibly be mistaken.

No reason to be sarcastic about it when you could handle it in a more debate fashion, rather than trying to demean with a false analyses of why I'm wrong. Also read the articles they two claim it cut down which means more likely debris than tire wear was the issue. Further more people do lead lives beyond their couch, such things that provide them with insight on to why it was probably bad luck that he doesn't want to admit to.
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Again, clearly you would know more about it sitting on the couch drinking a beer and watching the race, than the guy who drove the car or the crew that set up the car. Jimmie himself said what caused it, pushing too hard and wearing it out/heating it up.

In the end, who the heck cares. The tire blew, he smacked the wall, he didn't win. I'm not sure what you are trying to prove by playing Monday morning armchair crew chief.
 
Do you really expect JJ to say "That idiot Chad Knaus obviously put way too much camber in the front end, and it caused us to give away a certain top 3 finish!"

Saying something like, "I was just trying too hard, and it caused my brand new left side tire to prematurely fail" sounds better, even if it flies in the face of all logic, since other cars went 100+ laps on left sides without any issues.
 
If the camber was too much you would think a team of that caliber would have noticed that earlier in the race, or in practice. They have tire guys that analyze each tire after it comes off the car.

The left side tires were far from new, and anyways it was the right front that blew. Again, that came straight from the horses mouth as well.

He pushed it too hard, heated it up/wore it out trying to get through lapped traffic and run down Biffle., and it blew.
 
Camber issues don't suddenly pop up after 494 miles of racing. They're either there from the start and causing issues or they're not there at all.
 
I'm curious to ask all of you... I know there are those who are more accustomed to ovals than road courses, but do you think there is any shame in having a road course racer take over for you for a road race in NASCAR? Do you think those not good at road racing should at least try to compete in NASCAR road races?

I have usually been under the mindset that if you're going to be a champion in NASCAR, you have to master all racing- ovals AND road courses. Not that I've been in one, but think about being in a triathlon. You don't substitute for somebody else because there's one leg of a triathlon you aren't good at. Like, you don't have somebody take your place because you aren't a good swimmer or a good cyclist. Over time, I began to understand and appreciate why the "wringers" come out for these road course events.


But what do you think- any shame in hiring a "wringer" for road race events?
 
JohnBM01
I'm curious to ask all of you... I know there are those who are more accustomed to ovals than road courses, but do you think there is any shame in having a road course racer take over for you for a road race in NASCAR? Do you think those not good at road racing should at least try to compete in NASCAR road races?

I have usually been under the mindset that if you're going to be a champion in NASCAR, you have to master all racing- ovals AND road courses. Not that I've been in one, but think about being in a triathlon. You don't substitute for somebody else because there's one leg of a triathlon you aren't good at. Like, you don't have somebody take your place because you aren't a good swimmer or a good cyclist. Over time, I began to understand and appreciate why the "wringers" come out for these road course events.


But what do you think- any shame in hiring a "wringer" for road race events?
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Real championship contenders aren't getting out of their cars for any reason other than injury (see Denny Hamlin) because they can't afford to miss a single race in their quest to make the Chase. If your car owner is putting someone else in your place at any kind of specialty track (restrictor plate races, short tracks, road courses, etc), you know you are not truly competing for the championship (see car #51 and #55).
 
Before it comes up in this thread..... the main reason why NASCAR doesn't want a 3rd Cup road course race is because of how many less people they get for them in comparison to an oval race.
 
The "road course ringers" have proven to be failures, at winning anyway. A lower level team hiring a "ringer" would get them higher in the finishing order. But, wins belong to the elite Cup regulars, just like ovals.
 
So how do you guys think the Gen 6 will do on a Road Course? Its lighter then the COT, Its much more aerodynamic and doesn't have that skew. I myself am predicting something abit more maneuverable, we might not see any of that Front tire tripod action we usually see in the esses (AKA, carrying the front tire). That said of course, I'm expecting some aggressive Camber settings to really maximize that extra grip this car will very likely have.
 
GTPorsche
Ringers won't get wins because they aren't in top-tier equipment.
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Yeah, because the Petty cars aren't just second hand Roush stuff.
I think it's more because the Cup drivers are getting better and better at road courses. 10 years ago the only real road course specialists among the full timers was Stewart and both Gordons. Now you have like 10 drivers holding a Cup victory at a road course.
Equipment doesn't mean as much in Cup in road courses, but if you're more experienced with the car, in better equipment, and are at least a decent road course driver, then the road ringers don't have much ground to stand on.
 
Passing opportunities are an issue. Even if NASCAR used Aussie V8 Supercars at the road courses, qualifying up front is crucial.
 
Yeah, that might be a problem this weekend, because the Gen 6 is very selective about how it works at each track. Either a lot of passing or no passing at all (Although I blame Daytona more on the lack of two way radio communication between drivers).
 
So this is a thing

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It'll be ready by 2016 :indiff:
 
Shoe67
Is that really something they are planning?
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I know it's just a cheesy mock-up, but the track looks narrower, and as long as we're having military jets fly by, why not a parade and some fireworks in the sky, too? Don't forget the color guard in the track apron, as well.
 
Really horrible photoshop. The entire field must have stilts on the left side, and are running the road course judging by how they're turning towards the apron of the track.
 
Oh, and they're getting rid of the backstretch stands, which means less seats (-45,000 seats), and no more Battle On the Beach.
 
Part of me says the Generation 6 will probably be a very competitive and agile car for road racing. Maybe this is by virtue of a lighter and more durable car. I wouldn't be too sure on passing or anything, but I have high hopes for the Gen-6 in its official first road race.

In trying to evaluate every aspect of the Gen-6, it is sad that the wait has been this long to finally see this model road raced. Regardless, this weekend will complete the profile for the Gen-6 Cup car- superspeedways, intermediates and one-milers, short tracks, and road courses. And unless the Gen-6 wants to be on dirt ovals like the Trucks at Eldora (can you even fit 43 cars on a dirt oval?), then this basically completes the full report for the Gen-6.
 
Shoe67
Where did you find this out?
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Jeff Gluck on Twitter, although nothing has officially been said about the Battle on the Beach (That's my guess, I doubt NASCAR would run it without any money from attendance.)
 
It's ... interesting. I would like to see the results of this "Expensive" project, but sure will be attractive.

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