2013 NASCAR Thread

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I used my app to check (Join) on the race at the beginning of the last segment, apparently. When I watched the full race at home on the DVR, the recording was stopped right before the last segment began. WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It will air again on the 26th in the afternoon. Ugh.
 
I watched a few clips of the race, wish I could have watched the whole thing live. Why is it that Nationwide and Trucks get all the interesting races?:grumpy:
 
Was Dillon driving for RSS racing? I saw it on the entry list, but the commentators said nothing about it.

From what I understand, it was RCR with RSS points as they skipped the event.
 
I don't know if people want to see the Indy races if they enjoyed the Trucks race at Eldora. If you think the reception here on GTPlanet was good regarding the Eldora race, you should see what some people on Facebook said on Speed Channel's page. The general consensus was mostly along the lines of giving this race rave reviews to things like "support your local dirt track." Even a sportscar racing and road racing fan like myself found something to love about the Eldora race last night. That is why I said that anyone who is any kind of motorsports enthusiast should see this race or at least follow it to some capacity. You don't even have to like NASCAR or dirt track racing to appreciate this race.

The one thing I couldn't comprehend last night was in going on the lowest groove of the race track. It didn't look like the absolute bottom groove worked much at all either in heat races or in the main race. The high and medium grooves seemed to work better for the most part as the trucks were going sideways. I probably would have just stayed on the high side or in the middle based on how that race shaped up. Not that I would have went to the bottom, the bottom groove just didn't really work out as well last night. More than anything, I was impressed at the skill of these drivers adapting to the challenge of dirt track racing. I even enjoyed watching some of the truck drivers just work that steering wheel trying to pass others and keep stable. Lots to appreciate about this race.

I still enjoyed the whole event and all the pageantry leading up to it. It was almost as moving as the F1 race around Circuit of the Americas last year (sorry to mention a different discipline of motorsport).
 
I watched a few clips of the race, wish I could have watched the whole thing live. Why is it that Nationwide and Trucks get all the interesting races?:grumpy:

Because the Cup series is run by and full of million dollar 🤬, to put it bluntly.
 
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The one thing I couldn't comprehend last night was in going on the lowest groove of the race track. It didn't look like the absolute bottom groove worked much at all either in heat races or in the main race. The high and medium grooves seemed to work better for the most part as the trucks were going sideways. I probably would have just stayed on the high side or in the middle based on how that race shaped up. Not that I would have went to the bottom, the bottom groove just didn't really work out as well last night. More than anything, I was impressed at the skill of these drivers adapting to the challenge of dirt track racing. I even enjoyed watching some of the truck drivers just work that steering wheel trying to pass others and keep stable. Lots to appreciate about this race.

If you really look, the top and middle grooves had the most rubber layed on them so it was much easier to find grip at the top. The bottom really only works with the slide job and even then, you have to time your entry and keep the vehicle in a certain angle so that it grips on exit. That and there's also the fact that the top groove, just like on asphalt, just allows for earlier exit speed.
 
All I did was post the brutally honest answer to why the Sprint Cup Series doesn't run at any interesting race tracks. Apparently I'm supposed to only post positive comments about the "competition" on-track, but unlike some other people in this thread, I call the action as I see it, even if it is in a negative light.
 
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I have to agree with RvD in this instance, it seems the only way for an Independent track owner to get a race is to settle for a lower series. I would love to see Hermanos Rodriguez, Eldora, Road America, Mosport, Gilles Villeneuve and Mid-Ohio have a cup race, but I doubt it will ever happen as there isn't a Smith or France involved in their ownership.
 
I have to agree with RvD in this instance, it seems the only way for an Independent track owner to get a race is to settle for a lower series. I would love to see Hermanos Rodriguez, Eldora, Road America, Mosport, Gilles Villeneuve and Mid-Ohio have a cup race, but I doubt it will ever happen as there isn't a Smith or France involved in their ownership.
Everything you mentioned have a point except for two tracks, Rodriguez and Villeneuve.
1. Rodriguez not having a Cup race isn't anybody's fault, blame it on the cost to transport a car there.
2. Villeneuve is the promoter's fault for demanding a Cup race on Saturday, which will never happen.
 
All I did was post the brutally honest answer to why the Sprint Cup Series doesn't run at any interesting race tracks. Apparently I'm supposed to only post positive comments about the "competition" on-track, but unlike some other people in this thread, I call the action as I see it, even if it is in a negative light.

Yes, but you and many others seem to fail to notice it is ALL NASCAR. Cup, NNS, and Trucks are run by the same "million dollar 🤬". Do you all really think Brian France and Mike Helton were uninvolved in this? Do you think this was done without their input? If so, then please tell my WHY THE **** MIKE HELTON WAS AT THE ******* EVENT AT ALL!

WHY! Why do almost every one of you classify anything in Cup as automatically and unanimous crap, the Nationwide and Trucks couldn't do wrong even if they ran over everyone in the garage. Cup makes a slight change, LAMBAST THE JACKOFFS! NNS and Trucks do something idiotic? CUP MADE THEM DO IT!
 
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1. Rodriguez not having a Cup race isn't anybody's fault, blame it on the cost to transport a car there.

The track is 2,054 miles from Charlotte, Sonoma is 2,728.

Of course cost would be even less of an issue if they would reduce the number of races. Or introduce a doubleheader format like IndyCar has been doing this year. It would allow tracks to have 2 races a year and would probably bring more people to the track.

2. Villeneuve is the promoter's fault for demanding a Cup race on Saturday, which will never happen.

They seem plenty fine doing night races on Saturday.
 
The track is 2,054 miles from Charlotte, Sonoma is 2,728.

Of course cost would be even less of an issue if they would reduce the number of races. Or introduce a doubleheader format like IndyCar has been doing this year. It would allow tracks to have 2 races a year and would probably bring more people to the track.



They seem plenty fine doing night races on Saturday.

One of those tracks doesn't require international travel.
 
I highly doubt immigration adds that much cost if even the Nationwide back markers can make it to Mexico and Canada.

Probably more the hassle of crossing along with how uneasy some folks are about south of the border anyway.
 
All I did was post the brutally honest answer to why the Sprint Cup Series doesn't run at any interesting race tracks. Apparently I'm supposed to only post positive comments about the "competition" on-track, but unlike some other people in this thread, I call the action as I see it, even if it is in a negative light.

Nowhere am I saying nor implying that.
 
Yes, but you and many others seem to fail to notice it is ALL NASCAR. Cup, NNS, and Trucks are run by the same "million dollar 🤬". Do you all really think Brian France and Mike Helton were uninvolved in this? Do you think this was done without their input? If so, then please tell my WHY THE **** MIKE HELTON WAS AT THE ******* EVENT AT ALL!

WHY! Why do almost every one of you classify anything in Cup as automatically and unanimous crap, the Nationwide and Trucks couldn't do wrong even if they ran over everyone in the garage. Cup makes a slight change, LAMBAST THE JACKOFFS! NNS and Trucks do something idiotic? CUP MADE THEM DO IT!

I know the whole NASCAR empire is run by brainless morons. :dunce: The stupid competition decisions they've made for the Cup series have started to infect the once great racing in the Nationwide and Truck series, although Eldora was definitely a refreshing change of pace. 👍 *rant warning* Maybe it's time an investor comes in and rescues the Nationwide, Trucks, and all the other lower series before the stupidity from the top series completely ruins all traces of competitive side-by-side racing throughout the NASCAR empire. :crazy: *end random rant*
 
It's much easier to get in Canada vs getting into Mexico. Mainly because nobody is threatening to bomb your car hauler because lol gang life.
Also, the Montreal track promoter was dumb enough to lose money on the Nationwide races (...... How?), and either wanted a Cup race on Saturday or a Nationwide race at 9 AM Sunday.
 
Honestly NASCAR reminds me alot of how rich people act, it's their toy to get richer on but not actually spend money making better.

I really think every series needs a few rolling dates to where they go to someone where new each year to keep it interesting and allow a change of pace to fans.

There is alot of changes I think to alot of series for the fans but who am I to say a word. My main issue that atleast partly is being fixed is seating, cost and food. The food sucks as I've already stated at most tracks but they could offer something lighter, fresher and not crap (like regional things that are good), seats need to be more spaced for fans as no one likes sitting shoulder to shoulder, and ticket prices are higher than needed for most races especially trucks or nationwide (they wonder why they sell less).
 
ticket prices are higher than needed for most races especially trucks or nationwide (they wonder why they sell less).
Honestly the reason why you rarely see a full Truck field now is because everything is too pricey from a competition standpoint as well. It costs about as much just to enter a Truck as it does Nationwide, and even though it's technically less expansive to run then Nationwide, there's 1. Very few sponsors putting money into it (It basically boils down to the makes with one-two "factory" teams each (RCR/Turner with Chevy, BKR with Ford, and KBR/RHR with Toyota), then either small time sponsors or sponsors in with a certain young driver who won't be there long, like Chase with Aarons or the Dillon's with Bas Pro Shops), 2. Less money in almost every race purse, and 3. 10 less races then Nationwide.
All things considered though,the Trucks have been growing very well. Its ratings are up every year, which is almost impossible now with everything (Not just NASCAR) going down ratings wise thanks to both more and more competition due to more and more channels, and alternatives like Netflix, Hulu, and the juggernaut that is the video game industry. Heck, there is a possibility if the price to run the series went lower, more people put money into it, and the series added more races, it could end up overtaking Nationwide over the next 10 years if FS1 is a success.
 
Why 2? 1 is more than Rusty ever won in the 2 car.

Wallace is the best ever?? Maybe the best chump ever, but not one of the greatest.

EDIT: That belongs to people who win 2 or more championships.
 
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Wallace is the best ever?? Maybe the best chump ever, but not one of the greatest.

EDIT: That belongs to people who win 2 or more championships.

Rusty was a damn good driver.
 
Rusty Wallace won a championship, and won a LOT more races (55), even though he raced against both Dale Earnhardt and Jeff Gordon, while both were in the absolute prime of their careers. In 1993, he won 10 of 30 races, with 19 top 5 finishes. To do that today, you would need 12 wins in 36 races, with 23 top 5 finishes. There's definitely no shame in coming out of the late 80's to early 2000's with "only" one championship.
 
Not to mention guys like Jarrett, Irvan, Martin, Gant, Elliot, Schrader, Rudd, Terry Labonte, Darrell Waltrip... Lots of talent back in those days, it could have easily gone one way or the other every year.
 
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