2013 NASCAR Thread

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BKGlover
Logano, Bowyer, and Jr.?
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What about them?

iRevelationz
Then what was MWR penalized for?
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For telling their driver to basically cause a caution and do a dangerous maneuver.

Also, I'm not upset about Bowyer/Vickers coming down pit road to give Logano the spots. That's fine. What I'm upset about is Bowyer's intentional spin that started all of this. Truex is the least guilty one here and gets kicked from the Chase, while Bowyer gets absolutely nothing done to him because there's "not enough evidence of intent".
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So am I, and if you've read anything I've said I was defending Truex against those that wanted him out just because he was associated with MWR and gained help from an accident that he was unaware of being conjured and more so helping him in the end. So I don't know what you're arguing against me for because my entire premise at this point is to counter Gordon fans or apologist who think he was robbed of a title shot, when the guy never had his act together to begin with.

I grow tired of the sugar coated reality they live in. When my driver screws up I know so and agree when people bring it up, when he doesn't I defend him when they say other wise. I would like to see more balanced fans, rather than self interest.
 
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GTPorsche
I guess he was responding to my comment of another driver having the opportunity to do terrible in the chase.
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Any driver can do terrible in the chase, I recall a big talking dork who runs a car with the 16 on the side saying he'd take the championship. Only to run outside the top ten in the first few races and ultimately squash his chances and then Kansas ended it for sure. Biffle had a great 2012 pre-season that evaporated on the first race of the chase. Same could happen to Kenseth, JJ, anyone really so I don't see where that user is coming from.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
For telling their driver to basically cause a caution and do a dangerous maneuver.
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But the penalties weren't given for anything relating to the spin, were they? I was under the impression they were given for the pit road deal and "needing the extra point", which would obviously be ass backwards of what really should've been dealt with.

NASCAR said there wasn't enough evidence of intent on the spin to do anything about it. If they nailed MWR for telling him to spin and cause the yellow, would that not contradict that?
 
I can honestly say Ive never ever hated a driver more than what I hate Bowyer right now.

Vickers did nothing wrong. But Bowyer ****ed Newman, Gordon and by extension, Truex with one move. Two years straight of ****ing Gordon, too.

Ty Norris and Michael Waltrip can also suck a fat one.

Now, after getting that out, I'm over it. I'll probably watch Chicago to see if anyone puts Bowyer in the wall, then I'll probably skip the rest.
 
iRevelationz
But the penalties weren't given for anything relating to the spin, were they? I was under the impression they were given for the pit road deal and "needing the extra point", which would obviously be ass backwards of what really should've been dealt with.
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That's not the way it came across to me when I read it about it. The radio messages and the spin after is what seems to be the punishment mainly for MWR and Bowyer. If they also got his for Vickers then NASCAR is screwing up like the FIA and needs to go reassess itself.

NASCAR said there wasn't enough evidence of intent on the spin to do anything about it. If they nailed MWR for telling him to spin and cause the yellow, would that not contradict that?
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Would you be surprised? Since I just showed you a bigger contradiction from NASCAR. Also they have to play politics with the public. So many angry fans seeing Bowyer still in the chase, it wouldn't surprise if the real punishment was due to the spin but NASCAR said otherwise to appease the fans. Problem with that is the fans aren't stupid, and I guess unless Bowyer came outright and said yeah I did on purpose like Junior back in 06 that is the only way NASCAR will admit that was the intent of punishment. The pit road bull crap doesn't hold up though hence being a more massive contradiction.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
That's not the way it came across to me when I read it about it. The radio messages and the spin after is what seems to be the punishment mainly for MWR and Bowyer. If they also got his for Vickers then NASCAR is screwing up like the FIA and needs to go reassess itself.



Would you be surprised? Since I just showed you a bigger contradiction from NASCAR. Also they have to play politics with the public. So many angry fans seeing Bowyer still in the chase, it wouldn't surprise if the real punishment was due to the spin but NASCAR said otherwise to appease the fans. Problem with that is the fans aren't stupid, and I guess unless Bowyer came outright and said yeah I did on purpose like Junior back in 06 that is the only way NASCAR will admit that was the intent of punishment. The pit road bull crap doesn't hold up though hence being a more massive contradiction.
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So it's a conspiracy on the penalty's reasoning?

Actually yeah. I could get behind that. :)
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
How would it be a violation of AUP. More importantly all I said was based from what I could see people gave up helping you and I thought you should have the right to know the rules. Since you are actually asking and not pretending to know I wanted to help. Also not sure how I came across as such maybe because of past differences I've had, I don't know but I'll make sure to never help you out again.
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Being that the question was answered very shortly after it was asked, your comment I quoted was a mean spirited and unnecessary comment of a personal nature. Holding grudges against people for having an opinion you may not like or how it is expressed is pretty damned mean and arrogant. Making snide disrespectful remarks while answering a question, to deliberately make people feel unwelcome is acceptable use of these forums in your view?

I've done my fair share of being a pretentious jerk, I'd rather not be and I'm working on that. Which is why I didn't block ICY's posts. I'd rather try to help someone if i can. Holding animosity toward anyone can't be good for anyone here or in our real lives.

I don't hold any grudges against you, I have no reason to. If I have said anything directly to you, or about anything you've said, that was disrespectful or offensive, I'm sorry. If I've shared an opinion that led to you buying a bad product, I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I'm just a schmuck hanging out on a video game forum, with people of similar interests.

If NASCAR had full telemetry, they could easily prove the 15 spinning was intentional.
 
iRevelationz
So it's a conspiracy on the penalty's reasoning?

Actually yeah. I could get behind that. :)
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It's NASCAR, where entertainment and business are center stage...oh and the racing is somewhere over there I guess.:sly:

DaveTheStalker
Being that the question was answered very shortly after it was asked, your comment I quoted was a mean spirited and unnecessary comment of a personal nature. Holding grudges against people for having an opinion you may not like or how it is expressed is pretty damned mean and arrogant. Making snide disrespectful remarks while answering a question, to deliberately make people feel unwelcome is acceptable use of these forums in your view?
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Once again I implore you to specifically show me doing such. All I said as you quoted was that I was trying to help you since it seemed others didn't and thought it wasn't fair. Not sure how it sounds mean spirited, also since it is the internet how is that you can convey tone from that? That's quite a talent.:dopey:

I've done my fair share of being a pretentious jerk, I'd rather not be and I'm working on that. Which is why I didn't block ICY's posts. I'd rather try to help someone if i can. Holding animosity toward anyone can't be good for anyone here or in our real lives.
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Neither did I block ICY's post. If I'm being so rude to the NASCAR community however, then why did I make a bet with ICEYOU for the greater good of this thread knowing he'd lose? Better yet why are you the only one that can convey this mysterious angry tone of rhetoric I have in my post? When all I was trying to do is help you out since you wanted to learn and know, I'm troubled by your conclusion.

I don't hold any grudges against you, I have no reason to. If I have said anything directly to you, or about anything you've said, that was disrespectful or offensive, I'm sorry. If I've shared an opinion that led to you buying a bad product, I'm sorry you had a bad experience. I'm just a schmuck hanging out on a video game forum, with people of similar interests.
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Never said you did, all I'm saying is at this point is highly unnecessary to judge and then hold firm a position based on words, with no tone, or any indicators of malice intent. I'm well aware of the AUP and know how to work with in it due to experience for you to accuse me of something based on the way you read it and then think that is absolute is wrong. If you feel that I was being malicious then report me but as I said, me helping you understand when I didn't see anyone follow up after your second question seem more benevolent than anything you've described.
 
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LMSCorvetteGT2
Any driver can do terrible in the chase, I recall a big talking dork who runs a car with the 16 on the side saying he'd take the championship. Only to run outside the top ten in the first few races and ultimately squash his chances and then Kansas ended it for sure. Biffle had a great 2012 pre-season that evaporated on the first race of the chase. Same could happen to Kenseth, JJ, anyone really so I don't see where that user is coming from.
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That's why I didn't name anyone. Someone is bound to do miserably, but no one knows yet, or can judge on past/recent performances.
 
GTPorsche
That's why I didn't name anyone. Someone is bound to do miserably, but no one knows yet, or can judge on past/recent performances.
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Exactly 👍

I just want to know where that specific user is getting it from. Anyways, we'll find out soon who is going to be strong or not.
 
They are probably just saying that so Jeff Gordon fans will stop abusing them on their Facebook pages.
 
Anything about Peak also doing that or Aaron's?
 
MustangRyan
They are probably just saying that so Jeff Gordon fans will stop abusing them on their Facebook pages.
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Their sponsorship isn't about Gordon fans. Not everything is about Gordon fans. Company have ethics, and those actions Saturday night definitely go against that.


More news from Saturday night: It's just breaking now that there was improper radio communication between the 38 and 22 teams late in the race.

Edit: Nothing from Peak or Aaron's.
 
No, it would have had no outcome on the chase, plus MWR did more to help secure Logano in the top ten than Penske's "deal" did.
 
GTPorsche
No, it would have had no outcome on the chase, plus MWR did more to help secure Logano in the top ten than Penske's "deal" did.
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1 position doesn't mean anything, since it wouldn't have changed the outcome.

Only way I would say a penalty was warranted is if TWO (2) of FRR drivers were doing this. THEN there would be more to it.
 
Racehub just played the radio communication. They started with 13 laps to go, hadn't made the pass by the time the caution came out. It's inconsequential at that point.
 
So because their deal didn't actually have enough time to play out to cause a change in points, it's not an attempt to manipulate the end result of the race, and shouldn't be punished?

That logic is as backwards as NASCAR's logic.
 
Blitz24
1 position doesn't mean anything, since it wouldn't have changed the outcome.
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GTPorsche
Racehub just played the radio communication. They started with 13 laps to go, hadn't made the pass by the time the caution came out. It's inconsequential at that point.
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Whether it would've changed the outcome is irrelevant. It's the intent to change the results other than with legitimate racing. Based on NASCAR's "basis" for MWR's penalties, these type of deals should be punished as well. Otherwise, they risk having a Barichello-Schumacher moment unfold.
 
Whether Joey was in the top 10 in points or not, he was going to be in the chase as he was going to be ahead of both Newman and Truex in the wildcard.
 
GTPorsche
Whether Joey was in the top 10 in points or not, he was going to be in the chase as he was going to be ahead of both Newman and Truex in the wildcard.
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Unless the penalty is more than 10 points (if there is a penalty). If it was less than all of that MWR stuff becomes moronically moot.
 

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