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I don't see a penalty happening.

If Joey didn't pass the 38, he would have tied Jeff in the points and still been top 10 due to tiebreaker. No outcome was manipulated in that.
 
MustangRyan
So because their deal didn't actually have enough time to play out to cause a change in points, it's not an attempt to manipulate the end result of the race, and shouldn't be punished?

That logic is as backwards as NASCAR's logic.
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Thing is though even without the pass, Logano's one advantage over Gordon was his win so even without it, Joey still had the spot.
 
GTPorsche
I don't see a penalty happening.

If Joey didn't pass the 38, he would have tied Jeff in the points and still been top 10 due to tiebreaker. No outcome was manipulated in that.
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Hypothetically, if MWR's actions ended up not affecting the outcome, then then there should be no penalty in that case?

Again, it's the intent that concerns me. Allow it now means is gonna happen again, it may affect the outcome and we'll have another mess.
 
GTPorsche
Whether Joey was in the top 10 in points or not, he was going to be in the chase as he was going to be ahead of both Newman and Truex in the wildcard.
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The deal was made while Newman was winning the race, so Kahne and Newman were going to be the wild cards with two wins each, even if they had been 19th and 20th in points. Logano's only chance was to get back up in front of someone else to tie Gordon for tenth place in points.

The 38 was backing up to Logano to help him do just that, but the caution came out before he got there. The 38 willingly giving up track position, and eventually, his spot in the running order is absolutely no different than what NASCAR claimed they penalized MWR for doing, manipulating the outcome of a race.

If NASCAR doesn't penalize the 22 and/or 38 teams, it proves that they punished MWR for the spin, then lied about why they were punishing them, because they knew they couldn't prove it.

GTPorsche
It's one car, one position.

It's no worse than Truex being told not to let Gordon get by him.
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But Truex is an active participant with something to gain for himself.

Truex holding Gordon back keeps Logano in the top ten ahead of Gordon, which keeps Truex in the second wild card spot. Plus, staying in front of a guy is what you are supposed to be trying to do.

That is Truex racing hard to help Truex.

That is not the same thing as a neutral third party being promised something in exchange to let another driver pass by them for their own benefit.

You should never just let someone pass you, as that goes against the "integrity" of the race, according to NASCAR's fine on MWR.
 
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And NASCAR wonders why they are losing fans! This is not the drama we want nor need, who cares about Joey as it's nothing new, if Bowyer hadn't spun, we wouldn't be in this crap fest anyway.
 
The chase may have been a good idea at some point in it's timeline, probably while still in the initial thought process, but the only great one was last year, as Tony went on a tear and Kurt merely had to recover, and even those arguments can be argued so in reality it's been a complete bust.

HOWEVER!!!

There is money in it. The fans that go to the races still go, TV is down some but the direct cash is still there for the most part. Give them drama and they'll eat it up. How else would the Kardashians have survived this long? The seats will be packed now, because someone effed up, and someone's gonna get it.

Edit: The above size boost doesn't match how my outburst should sound. Damn.
 
I actually like the concept of the chase, I would rather have it as a sub-championship though, something like the NAEC or Green Challenge.
 
My issue with the chase is sometimes strongest guys don't get a chance in final 10 races like Kahne had at RedBull with most points score but was stuck in 13th.

If anything they need to drop drivers each race who aren't above a certain point total and once you are out, anyone can fill that spot. I will make a quick example for this year.

Let's say Newman, Bowyer, Logano, Dale Jr, Biffle all don't make the cut for final 5 races and Gordon goes on a hot streak or someone does and has more points (without the bonus they get for chase to like 2k they lose that bonus but not win bonus for the chase) then Gordon would finish 5th in the standings.

This will be draw out so bare with me. Sure guys earned a right to be in the chase and reward them with prize money, but that doesn't mean they were best driver because you can finish 43rd every week now to finish 12th while 13th is stuck regardless. Don't reset points, just run 2 different standings and keep points as they were + bonus for wins. If I had to come up with total per race, I'd say 25 points each race or more is needed (maybe 30) to keep those few pushing hard.
 
GTPorsche
The chase doesn't need any more gimmicks thrown in as it's already a massive joke gimmick.
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It is but atleast you don't have people finishing in bottom half because they got lucky but pretty much were crap for last 10 races. That doesn't really show who is worthy of the chase either. They aren't going to do away with it anytime soon, and my thought was to actually make it interesting for some on the bubble.

This year Showed the worst side of how the game is played, MWR did nothing different but failed to think it through before hand.
 
Wilbur
This year Showed the worst side of how the game is played, MWR did nothing different but failed to think it through before hand.
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Isn't this a Waltrip staple?

Say, wasn't Brian France's ex threatening to start a rival series?
 
BKGlover
The chase may have been a good idea at some point in it's timeline, probably while still in the initial thought process, but the only great one was last year, as Tony went on a tear and Kurt merely had to recover, and even those arguments can be argued so in reality it's been a complete bust.

HOWEVER!!!

There is money in it. The fans that go to the races still go, TV is down some but the direct cash is still there for the most part. Give them drama and they'll eat it up. How else would the Kardashians have survived this long? The seats will be packed now, because someone effed up, and someone's gonna get it.

Edit: The above size boost doesn't match how my outburst should sound. Damn.
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So the only great one was Brad's win in a dodge, cause that's what happened last year.
 
No, because he and JJ were swapping the points lead almost on a race to race basis. Dodge fan, yes, but truth is I picked him to win the damned thing so I was expecting him to fail horribly like almost everything else. No, I actively followed last year's chase, something not even Tony's barnstorming could do, though my dad was all over that one. It's the only Chase I've remained interested by the end. The individual races in Tony's were usually good, but it was more watching Carl continuously fail to stop the bleeding.

All that said, none of them hold weight with me, and the reason is because(oh boy) it doesn't feel like a real championship anymore. Unfortunately, I started watching NASCAR in 2001, but I knew about the championship fights, namely Labonte-Earnhardt 2000, and though I never saw them, I could feel the emotion people put into them when I heard or read about them. Even with the first chase, the emotion wasn't truly there. Most people I know/knew simply didn't care once the chase started, and for the most part neither have I. We'll see how this one goes, but Chicago's not got my attention.

I'm half asleep, and I think I confused myself re-reading this, but tis my feelings on the matter.

Oh, and Porsche was right, I was listing off the fail-prone drivers, as I see it anyway.

In short: My opinion, probably wrong to everyone here, as expected.

HEY! WAIT A DAMNED SECOND! You took the time to bold a line that is an obvious opinion, and accuse me of favoritism when 12 words, two commas, and some spaces later I state...
and even those arguments can be argued so in reality it's been a complete bust.
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It's 1:30 AM here. I have to work. I'm going to bed now, but I am pissed.
 
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GTPorsche
I'd be more annoyed if Jeff had been competitive this year, but I also would rather not see him do horrible in the chase for a second year in a row. Someone else can have that opportunity....
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To do horrible in the chase in his place?:drool:

GTPorsche
If anything, 2011 was the better Chase year.
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2011 WAS THE BEST CHASE YEAR GORDON CAME BACK FROM THE DEAD KURT GOT PISSED AND FIRED JOHNSON FALTERED EDWARDS FALTERED BRAD'S LEGACY OF RUSTY CAME ALIVE AND STEWART INCREASED HIS LEGACY BY WINNING HIS THIRD CHASE TROPHY.

Edit: But in all honesty this year has been crap so far. I'm highly disappointed so far! Daytona and Dega (Ye haww) was just a joke! How is it at all fair that your guaranteed to lose the race because you have to restart on the inside row. That was horrible! Your better better off restarting in tenth place on the outside lane then second place! So unfair to a lot of the drivers that were up front!!! Phoenix was almost just as bad! The entire race came down to pit strategy other then Hamlin making it exciting on the last lap, trying to blow by brad n Johnson! Then Nascar has the nerve to fine him?? What a joke! I love Nascar but this season couldn't be any lamer then it has!!! This was supposed to be the best year of NASCAR EVER and they lied to us! We the NASCAR fans should stand up!!!

GTPorsche
No, nothing to penalize. Those radio communications happen all the time.
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THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!:O:mad::banghead::drool:
 
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ICEYOU
To do horrible in the chase in his place?:drool:
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ICY, unless Jeff has been bumped into The Chase, you're not supposed to be here. You agreed to a 1 year banishment of GTPlanet. You've made good on that up until now. Unless, as I said before, the 24 has been put into The Chase.

If you didn't intend to uphold your part of the bet, you should have not agreed to it.
 
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RACECAR
And surprise surprise, look who couldn't be a man of their word.
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I thought doing so makes him a liar and violates AUP? Or does it just make him a troll that doesn't know any better?
 

Really Gordon fans, why must we constantly embarrass ourselves this way, I mean we managed to drive ICEYOU away.
 
Chqr
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I just wanna punch Logano square in the face.
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NASCAR is still investigating that incident. They gave the same statement in regards to the 22/38 as they did for the MWR incident. If NASCAR is going to do something, they have only a few hours left before the focus turns to Chicago and the start of the Chase.

At this point, they should just give it up and give the Championship to no one. :indiff:

Jimmie has also come out and said NASCAR needs to do better with their officiating.

Edit: I thought I had overslept and woke up a year later when I saw that post.
 
I like Jimmie's idea of a red flag being called out until things are settled. It's better than, 'Oh, you made the Chase!' on Saturday night and then on Monday be taken out because of penalties.

Jahgee1124

Really Gordon fans, why must we constantly embarrass ourselves this way, I mean we managed to drive ICEYOU away.
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I didn't realize that the GIF was actually a link to the story. :lol:
 
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