2014 Belgian Grand Prix

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Try again, the nice guy didn't win (Barichello in the sister Brawn). Button raced hard and firmly in that season upsetting drivers around him. No quarter asked, no quarter given.

Are you thinking that the women/men outside the cars are the same people who are in them?
I don't remember much of 2009, but he's very fair on-track and he won a championship. And no I'm not thinking that, otherwise Maldonado would be the nicest of all.
 
I don't remember much of 2009, but he's very fair on-track and he won a championship. And no I'm not thinking that, otherwise Maldonado would be the nicest of all.

Okay, so the last nice guy to win a championship is one who's championship-winning season you don't much remember. Alle ist klare.
 
Okay, so the last nice guy to win a championship is one who's championship-winning season you don't much remember. Alle ist klare.
Ugh. You mean if he was nice during that particular season? I don't recall dirty driving from him in 2009, so refresh my memory.

I get your point though, you have to be a rutheless asshole to win a championship these days. Still, it's not impossible to win it while maintaining good sportsmanship.
 
I'll have to look at it again but I remeber thinking it wasn't Maldonado's fault. That's the one where Maldonado had full lock trying to avoid the accident and Hamilton threw the steering wheel away after, right?
Erm, nope
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I get your point though, you have to be a rutheless asshole to win a championship these days. Still, it's not impossible to win it while maintaining good sportsmanship.

Did we see a lack of that today between Hamilton and Rosberg? If I were Nico I'd have kept my nose in too. If I were Hamilton I'd be furious. One of them has more innate strength as a driver though, in my opinion.
 
Who was the last nice guy to take a World Championship? I'm struggling to remember...
You're correct. But, treating your teammate so poorly, like Hamilton ALWAYS does, explains why his worst enemy is his own teammate.
 
Erm, nope
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That wasn't his fault. Hamilton left no space. Maldonado had full lock to avoid going back on track but the speed bump didn't allow it. His only choice was to go straight onto the speed bumps and potentially damage his car. He chose to trust Hamilton for some space and got none. Racing incident.


IIRC they agreed in commentary.

Did we see a lack of that today between Hamilton and Rosberg? If I were Nico I'd have kept my nose in too. If I were Hamilton I'd be furious. One of them has more innate strength as a driver though, in my opinion.
It wouldn't have had to come down to this had Hamilton been a team player this season. I also think it wouldn't have had to come down to this had the team not let Hamilton get away with blatantly saying he's driving for himself.
 
That wasn't his fault. Hamilton left no space. Maldonado had full lock to avoid going back on track but the speed bump didn't allow it. His only choice was to go straight onto the speed bumps and potentially damage his car. He chose to trust Hamilton for some space and got none. Racing incident.


IIRC they agreed in commentary.
Dude, open your eyes. Many drivers drive over speed bumps to avoid crashing, especially when battling for a podium on the last lap. So you hate Hamilton (fine) but make false statements and avoid fact (wrong), and then seem to think that Maldonado is an innocent victim? What is wrong there.
 
It wouldn't have had to come down to this had Hamilton been a team player this season. I also think it wouldn't have had to come down to this had the team not let Hamilton get away with blatantly saying he's driving for himself.

I agree, but that's partly a weakness that he's taken advantage of from Mercedes. He's driven under them for, what, 15 years? He know how they operate and he wants a WDC every year. So sue him.

Rosberg wants a World Championship under his belt too and is acting quite rightly quite rightly acting to try to take it.

As a spectating fan I love it :D

EDIT: Retrospective edit as I disagree with myself on a point of grammar :)
 
:lol:

Oh man, you're absolutely killing it...

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Really? Because I remember at LEAST Martin Brundle shares my opinion.


Dude, open your eyes. Many drivers drive over speed bumps to avoid crashing, especially when battling for a podium on the last lap. So you hate Hamilton (fine) but make false statements and avoid fact (wrong), and then seem to think that Maldonado is an innocent victim? What is wrong there.
No, they try to zigzag around them. Nobody would go over it at full speed. Maldonado had no idea he was going to get pushed all the way off anyway, it was too late to go over the bumps then. You need to open your eyes, not me. Seriously.

I agree, but that's partly a weakness that he's taken advantage of from Mercedes. He's driven under them for, what, 15 years? He know how they operate and he wants a WDC every year. So sue him.

Rosberg wants a World Championship under his belt too and is acting quite rightly to try to take it.

As a spectating fan I love it :D
I'd love it if it wasn't for the fans reaction tbh but why does it have to be this way? Can't we have a clean rivalry for once? Rosberg's shown he's willing to race clean all season and incredibly he was leading. Sure it's fun now but wouldn't it be better if Hamilton was also racing clean? At least then we'd know who's the better driver with no excuses.
 
Pastor had the chance to brake and slot in behind like Kimi did but no he just keeps the power on and takes to the kerb wrecking his own race and Lewis'.
 
Maldonado had no idea he was going to get pushed all the way off anyway,
You've just answered your question, any sane driver knows that the racing line is there and if your nose isn't alongside theirs, they have full rights to follow the racing line, there is tarmac for any other driver to use, but Sir Maldonado can;t possibly go across that and settle for 4th, he has to turn into the other guy because he has no idea about what other racers do.
 
Pastor had the chance to brake and slot in behind like Kimi did but no he just keeps the power on and takes to the kerb wrecking his own race and Lewis'.
He (wrongfully) trusted Hamilton to give him space. He had full lock to the left trying to stay as far as possible, Hamilton just took the racing line as if nobody was there.

Again, feel free to call me an idiot but I remember a lot of "experts" on TV agreed with me. Including Martin Brundle.

Look at the pic.

You've just answered your question, any sane driver knows that the racing line is there and if your nose isn't alongside theirs, they have full rights to follow the racing line, there is tarmac for any other driver to use, but Sir Maldonado can;t possibly go across that and settle for 4th, he has to turn into the other guy because he has no idea about what other racers do.
Wrong. Just..Wrong.
 

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Hamilton had the racing and the right to turn up but the reason why Pastor is on the kerb is because he barely slowed down at all.
And the reason Hamilton DNFed was because Pastor still didn't slow down when re-entering the track and drove straight into Hamilton's sidepod.

Which is, of course, Hamilton's fault.


Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha!
 
And the reason Hamilton DNFed was because Pastor still didn't slow down when re-entering the track and drove straight into Hamilton's sidepod.

Which is, of course, Hamilton's fault.


Bwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha!
Who's throwing accusations now? When did I say that was Hamilton's fault?

"Pastor drove straight into Hamilton's sidepod" implies he did so on purpose. He didn't. He tried his best to avoid it. He didn't lift because he trusted Hamilton to see him and leave him space.

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He didn't even drive straight into him. He had full lock to the left. Left != straight.
 
Who's throwing accusations now? When did I say that was Hamilton's fault?

"Pastor drove straight into Hamilton's sidepod" implies he did so on purpose. He didn't. He tried his best to avoid it. He didn't lift because he trusted Hamilton to see him and leave him space.

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He didn't even drive straight into him. He had full lock to the left. Left != straight.
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When did I say that was Hamilton's fault?

That wasn't his fault. Hamilton left no space. Maldonado had full lock to avoid going back on track but the speed bump didn't allow it. His only choice was to go straight onto the speed bumps and potentially damage his car. He chose to trust Hamilton for some space and got none..

Hmmm.
 
"Pastor drove straight into Hamilton's sidepod" implies he did so on purpose. He didn't. He tried his best to avoid it. He didn't lift because he trusted Hamilton to see him and leave him space.

Hehe have to be a bit cheeky here....But when has Pastor ever had a reputation of trying his best to avoid an incident.
 
Very knowledgeable and wise response.
Hmmmmmmmm?

That wasn't his fault. Hamilton left no space. Maldonado had full lock to avoid going back on track but the speed bump didn't allow it. His only choice was to go straight onto the speed bumps and potentially damage his car. He chose to trust Hamilton for some space and got none. Racing incident.
Did we reach that part where you're going to deliberately misquote me and leave out things from the very same post you quoted?


Hehe have to be a bit cheeky here....But when has Pastor ever had a reputation of trying his best to avoid an incident.
That was the funny bit at the time, too. I remember he took out Grosjean in a similar fashion at the first lap of Australia. Whatever though, let your prejudice dictate your view.
 
I'm struggling to believe this but the BBC seem to think it's correct. Very bad precedent for the season remainder.
I find that hard to believe. I'm guessing that the placement of the car was deliberate, but the contact unintentional. It looked to me like Rosberg was trying to force Hamilton to give him room into the next corner, thereby putting him off-line coming out of Les Combes and setting up a potential pass into Malmedy. The overhead shot shows that he had the room to pull it off, but it's not the kind of move that works on the Hamiltons and Alonsos of the world, and predictably, Hamilton didn't fall for it. The onus was on Rosberg to back out, but I can't see the contact being deliberate.
 
Did we reach that part where you're going to deliberately misquote me and leave out things from the very same post you quoted?

Perhaps I misled the forum as to your honourable intent, if you feel that's the case.

That wasn't his fault. Hamilton left no space. Maldonado had full lock to avoid going back on track but the speed bump didn't allow it. His only choice was to go straight onto the speed bumps and potentially damage his car. He chose to trust Hamilton for some space and got none. Racing incident.

I included the words "racing incident" so it didn't look like you blamed Hamilton in the rest of the paragraph. How's that?
 
Going by that, Rosberg didn't deliberately crash. Hamilton's comments sound like a case of small man syndrome.
How exactly?

Anyway hope FIA punish Nico. I'm amazed by stance Nico is taking after he had another look at it, Lewis had that corner and left room too, Nico I think if in same position Lewis was in is one of the most aggressive drivers on the grid like what he did to Lewis at Canada on first corner and that was a pass that looked realistic to pull off by Lewis.

Nico was behind going into braking zone this race, I wonder if he would dare do that against any other team / driver as he only seems super agressive in his overtakes / defending against Lewis. Funnily he probably ruined his chance of winning the race when he flat-spotted his front left tyre IIRC when he couldn't make up his mind which way to go. I wonder if it was Lewis ahead, would he just drove straight into the back of him instead or try the inside and hope he moves out of his way (He did dive bomb in Bahrain IIRC). He seems more cautious against other drivers, usually teammates are more cautious against each other but it seems the opposite way Nico Rosberg operates.
 
I find that hard to believe. I'm guessing that the placement of the car was deliberate, but the contact unintentional. It looked to me like Rosberg was trying to force Hamilton to give him room into the next corner, thereby putting him off-line coming out of Les Combes and setting up a potential pass into Malmedy. The overhead shot shows that he had the room to pull it off, but it's not the kind of move that works on the Hamiltons and Alonsos of the world, and predictably, Hamilton didn't fall for it. The onus was on Rosberg to back out, but I can't see the contact being deliberate.

I genuinely think there's a difference in translation here. German and English are, naturally, extremely similar. German is much more literal (hence the reputation for Germans being unfunny in use of double-entendre).

If you take Rosberg's statement as literally true it makes more sense than "I was going to take Lewis out whatever".
 
That was the funny bit at the time, too. I remember he took out Grosjean in a similar fashion at the first lap of Australia. Whatever though, let your prejudice dictate your view.

I'm pretty sure Perez would share my 'prejudice' too, after a certain incident at Monaco.
It takes a keen man to defend Pastor's driving standards :lol:
Anyway this thread is about the Spa GP so I'll leave it at that.
 
Back again, just a few things to say, don't see why people are saying KMag's penalty was harsh, seemed perfectly fair to me, forcing drivers off track shouldn't be at all acceptable.

Rosberg vs Hamilton, I think Rosberg should of backed out sooner, the only reason he got alongside in the first place was because he took too much speed into the corner, and there was no way he was going to keep his car far enough alongside to justify him getting some room from Hamilton.

Hamilton vs Maldanado in 2012;


Definitely Hamilton's fault, definitely..... :sly: You could argue that he shouldn't of been silly enough to expect Maldanado to drive sensibly, but that's pushing your luck a bit :p
 
Perhaps I misled the forum as to your honourable intent, if you feel that's the case.



I included the words "racing incident" so it didn't look like you blamed Hamilton in the rest of the paragraph. How's that?
"Look like you blamed Hamilton"

So we're in the business of taking how things look like rather than what I explicitly say. Okay.
I'm pretty sure Perez would share my 'prejudice' too, after a certain incident at Monaco.
It takes a keen man to defend Pastor's driving standards :lol:
Anyway this thread is about the Spa GP so I'll leave it at that.
Wait, so it was Gutierrez' fault at Hungary? ZOMG HOW DARE EVERYBODY NOT BLAME MALDONADO FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!11
 
So we're in the business of taking how things look like rather than what I explicitly say. Okay.

The only thing you could do to correct the apparent meaning of the quote (and how things look are what you say on a type-written forum) was add the words "Racing Incident". They belied all you wrote before.
 
Back again, just a few things to say, don't see why people are saying KMag's penalty was harsh, seemed perfectly fair to me, forcing drivers off track shouldn't be at all acceptable.

Rosberg vs Hamilton, I think Rosberg should of backed out sooner, the only reason he got alongside in the first place was because he took too much speed into the corner, and there was no way he was going to keep his car far enough alongside to justify him getting some room from Hamilton.

Hamilton vs Maldanado in 2012;


Definitely Hamilton's fault, definitely..... :sly: You could argue that he shouldn't of been silly enough to expect Maldanado to drive sensibly, but that's pushing your luck a bit :p

The penalty for Magnusses was harsh because the stewards have been easy going for a few races now. Can't be tolerating other drivers breaking the rules then suddenly take away somebody's race because of an incident like that. Especially since most judge the incident by consequence and not the rule broken.

Oh and yeah Hamilton was silly to think Maldonado was going to lift. Equally, Maldonado was silly to think Hamilton was going to do the decent thing and leave space. That's what you get when you put two assholes in one corner. All who's left there really is Kobayashi and a Perez on acid and you've got a demolition derby.


The only thing you could do to correct the apparent meaning of the quote (and how things look are what you say on a type-written forum) was add the words "Racing Incident". They belied all you wrote before.
What? I did say it was a racing incident.
 
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