2014 Nurburgring 24 hour, VLN series 7/12 teams signed up

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Well said Tati.

My issue was addressed on CRAP and as such no further comment from myself or anyone else is appropriate.

Is there a set process for appellation of steward decisions in place? If there is not then it makes sense to have everything clearly outlined in both the OP and the posted (or PMd) drivers brief itself along with the clear statement that there is no avenue for appeal but all decisions need to be spot on or there will be issue after issue if drivers feel wronged by a penalty but cannot appeal at all.

And in a game that throws the drivers over the blend line regularly I find nominal 5 second penalties to be unfair, if an effort is made to get back within the lane I don't see why a drivers result can be affected when it's potentially the game itself at fault... What if the game treats certain cars differently upon pit exit? An example is Spa because IIRC not all cars hit the pit wall upon exit there. If that were the case then only some cars may get "thrown" on to the track by the game, then one could conceivably accrue a whole raft of penalties when indeed they have done nothing wrong.
 
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aren't all cars spec'd with maximum tuning parts to prevent policing of such minuscule objects?

They are, I was merely mocking the ACO removing Jaguar's GT Le Mans win in 1993. They got DQ'd post race, appealed and won, but then got told they didn't log the appeal in time so still didn't get the victory.

To confirm yes all cars are allowed to run whatever combination of mods the driver feels like so long as they match the power and weight limits and drive on medium tyres.
 
They are, I was merely mocking the ACO removing Jaguar's GT Le Mans win in 1993. They got DQ'd post race, appealed and won, but then got told they didn't log the appeal in time so still didn't get the victory.

To confirm yes all cars are allowed to run whatever combination of mods the driver feels like so long as they match the power and weight limits and drive on medium tyres.

Ah you pelican, had me worried then,
 
Ok first of all I would like to apologise to everyone for all the bad behaviour that has surfaced from all of this. I would like to say that the reason for all of this was that I was given a broken system to work with and clearly those cracks in the system surfaced.

I did not agree with penalty system that was used, but i also do not understand why the penalties were not used before the series was handed over as everyone had the information in front of them.

The penalty system has been written out and is not in force. It also is being used in the deep forest race. Do not for one second think that this has anything to do with the fact that people kicked off at the original system. That system was flawed and I am not happy using it, and since this series is under my direction I am implementing it as final, these are the rules that are being used from now till the end of the N24.

Please understand that I am trying to pull together a series (which will be continuing after the CSS) which was hampered from the start. There will be many changed happening once the CSS has finished but for now this is the system that we will be using. If you do not like the system then please withdraw.

With regards to the White line questions, If you exit the pits on full throttle around somewhere like SPA then you will run over the white line, all it takes is a small lift and you will not go anywhere near it. Everyone can do it and it is a bad excuse for cheating.



New Rules system:

Rules and Regulations:

In order to provide clarity over how the stewards will take action having reviewed a race, this list of driving rules has been produced to explain the criteria by which the stewards will judge. The maximum penalty for an infraction is stated within the square brackets, however the stewards can simply produce a warning to a driver. Any incident that requires the stewards discretion to apportion responsibility will be scrutinised by at least two stewards and the verdict will be a consensus view between them.

If drivers can provide us with a report after each race they compete in, this greatly speeds up the process and helps us identify incidents that might otherwise be overlooked.
Rulings can be appealed via PM on GTP, drivers may make their case, explaining their perception of events, however any ruling made after this ruling will be final.

Collisions:
Accident: A situation that results in contact in which the instigating driver loses control of their vehicle in a manner that makes avoiding the proceeding contact beyond reasonable expectation.

Racing incident: A situation where contact occurs through the action (or inaction) of at least one of the drivers involved, while maintaining in clear control of their vehicle, in which no significant damage or delay occurs to those not baring due responsibility.

Avoidable contact [+60]: A situation where a vehicle is damaged or delayed through the controlled actions, intentional or otherwise, of another driver, in which responsibility for the situation occurring can be clearly defined.
If a collision is deemed as Avoidable contact, penalties will be given to the parties responsible even if they allow the other cars to re-pass after.

Pit Lines [+10]: The pit entry and exit are defined as the area between the outside edge of the circuit and the inside edge of the pit line. If any part of a driver’s car crosses the line it will result in a penalty. There will be a statement in the Driver’s Briefing before each round that identifies which lines are being regulated.

Corner Cutting [+30]: As a generalisation, track limits are defined by the outside edge of the white line on the circuit, however they also include the red and white curbing on apexes and exits; exceptions to this rule will be included in the driver’s briefing. A car must keep two wheels within the track limits at all times. If all four wheels are no longer within the track limits on three incidences within three laps, a penalty will be incurred.

Driving Standards [+120]: If a driver is displaying poor control of their vehicle or deemed to behave in a reckless manner they will receive a driving standards warning. If one driver collects three warnings over the course of a season a penalty will be given. Note; damage is not a defence to this rule.

Blocking [+30]: If a driver fails to provide racing room (the width of the passing car) to a car that has committed to a passing move, or otherwise forces them from the track during an overtake a penalty will be given to the responsible party even if they allow the other driver to pass afterwards.

Rejoin Blocking [+60]: If a car is moving at significantly lower than racing speed such as rejoining the track (from either the pit lane or from an accident), or suffering from damage and deliberately moves to prevent another car from passing them they will receive a penalty.

Blue Flags [+60]: A car that is being pursued by a car that is about to go a lap ahead is within their rights to drive their line and attempt to stay on the lead lap and is in no way expected to pull aside to allow the pursuer to pass. However, if the pursuing car attempts to make a pass and is close enough to do so, they must not execute a defensive manoeuvre as they could legally do if they were fighting for position; nor are they allowed to attempt as re-pass that will overly hinder the lapping car’s pace. If a car has gone a lap down due to damage and is recovering and noticeably catching cars that are laps ahead, it is allowed to pass them, however the leading cars are allowed to drive defensively if they choose to do so.

Restart: If a group of drivers disconnect from a lobby in quick succession and less than 70% of the race distance has been completed, a restart may be called. A note will be taken of the order at the time of the last completed lap and the laps completed, a new race will then be set to the distance remaining (+1 pace lap) and a period of 15minutes will be given for drivers to return to the lobby or communicate their intent to do so via the GTPlanet thread, facebook page or PSN network. Upon the race being restarted, the grid will form into the order before the disconnect and the green flag procedure from the initial start will be repeated.

If three disconnects occur before 70% of the original race distance has been covered, the race may be called off and half points awarded, however this will be decided by comity of the remaining racers and the decision will be communicated on the GTPlanet thread and facebook page.


Stewards: Memto89 Jonnyb1990

Room 1 report:

Warm up lap – jonnyb1990 - GTPL_lucas: Contact
Verdict: - warning
Be careful on warm up laps as people can be accelerating and braking to warm up tyres.

Lap 7 – play117 – xNikodemusx: Contact
Verdict: NFA
Warning note: play lifts off after contact, and does not gain track position. However he does this right in front of I-was-ere, hindering i-was-ere too and stopping himself from losing a position. XNikodemusx drives away from play and confirmation from xNikodemusx shows he didn't take damage.

Lap 11 - i-was-ere - xNikodemusx: light contact, no damage
Verdict: NFA
I-was-ere has taken the inside line, however the wide line XNikodemusx is on can be faster. XNikodemusx has to understand that he puts himself at risk of being pushed wide in this position.

Lap 15 - i-was-ere: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs

Lap 40 – Micantony: pit out line all 4 wheels
Verdict: 10 secs


Lap 49 - i-was-ere: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs


Lap 51 – cobani: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs


Lap 72 – cobani: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs


Lap 73 - xNikodemusx: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs


Finishing order:

jonny 96L - 1h58:23.640
Micantony 94L - 1h58:27.569 (+10)
i-was-ere 94L - 1h58:38.161 +10.594 (+20)
xNikodemusx 94L - 1h58:39.023 (+10)
lucas 94L - 1h59:20.953
play 93L - 1h58:26.796
cobani 84L - 1h58:23.640 (+20)
nin - unclassified


Room 2 report:

Lap 26 – the proffs: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs

Lap 29 – eDirtyTati – Davidb: contact
Verdict: NFA
Tati runs wide into T1, David gets inside and is ahead into the T2 left kink but Tati either doesn’t see, or else squeezes David and there is contact with Tatis’ front left and Davids right/rear, but no damage to either.

Lap 31 – eDirtyTati: ignoring blue flags
Verdict: Warning 1
Going into turn 1 you have an incident when a leader is coming through to lap you. After this incident you should have moved over as you.

Lap 34 – WIDFO: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs


Lap 36 – duke_adams: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs


Lap 50 – eDirtyTati: pit out line
Verdict: 10 secs

Lap 77 – Pluxtheduck: Driving standards
Verdict: warning
When a faster car is lapping you, do not fight back in such a way that results in contact. I understand trying stay on the lead lap, but you were passed by that point.


Finishing order:

Memto89 96L – 1:58:03.851
Pluxtheduck 95L – 1:58:33.164
Duke_adam46 94L – 1:58:26.875 (+10)
Davidb_165 93L – 1:58:21.952
The_proffs 93L – 1:58:42.290 (+10)
WIDFO 92L – 1:59.00.524 (+10)
Revetion 92L – 1:59:11.152
eDirtyTati 92L – 1:59:24.749 (+10)
the-burre 91L – 1:58:51.799


Finishing order with penalties applied.
Lobby 1:

1.jonny
2. Micantony
3. xNikodemusx
4. i-was-ere
5. lucas
6. play
7. cobani
8. nin DNF

Lobby 2:
1. Memto89
2. Pluxtheduck
3. Duke_adam46
4. Davidb_165
5. The_proffs
6. WIDFO
7. Revetion
8. eDirtyTati
9. the-burre
 
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Thanks for the clarification Matt. I guess I'm third then? May I celebrate this time? :P

I noticed one thing I didn't notice last time.. the finishing time are taken once you pass the line after the leader has finished, like in a real enduro? Then I probably didn't need to race so hard those laps following the finish...
 
Thanks for the clarification Matt. I guess I'm third then? May I celebrate this time? :P

I noticed one thing I didn't notice last time.. the finishing time are taken once you pass the line after the leader has finished, like in a real enduro? Then I probably didn't need to race so hard those laps following the finish...

yes you may celebrate your podium lol, And yes once the leader crosses the line the race is over for all cars behind them, you can still scrap it out with someone if you want the prize money after but it will not be counted towards the overall result ;)
 
Thank You Immensely Memto (edit: and Johnnyb) for clarifying the rules and penalty system in place.
 
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Thank You Immensely Memto for clarifying the rules and penalty system in place.

Mainly thanks goes to the guy that does everything in the back ground, Jonnyb1990, but from both of us, your welcome...
 
Points table in my OP updated with the final results following the above revisions to penalties.
 
Has anyone done any testing around autumn ring yet? Just wondering what sort of times people are getting...
 
None what so ever.. Have exams coming up so it will be hard to find time for much practise at all these coming weeks.

Edit: I'm also interested though.. will be useful if I do find some time.
 
None what so ever.. Have exams coming up so it will be hard to find time for much practise at all these coming weeks. Edit: I'm also interested though.. will be useful if I do find some time.

My prediction will be about 1:14.5-1:15.5
 
I found some time to put in some laps and my initial reaction is that your predictions are a bit off. I managed a low 1:15 after 8 laps and this is a track where i have never driven competitively.. I think the fast ones might even be down sniffing on 1:11-1:12? at least 1:12 something. :P
 
Quote "I am implementing it as final, these are the rules that are being used from now till the end of the N24."👍

Glad that is settled, now let's race :)
 
Quote "I am implementing it as final, these are the rules that are being used from now till the end of the N24."👍 Glad that is settled, now let's race :)

It's a shame there is not a 'like' button on gtp lol
 
I found some time to put in some laps and my initial reaction is that your predictions are a bit off. I managed a low 1:15 after 8 laps and this is a track where i have never driven competitively.. I think the fast ones might even be down sniffing on 1:11-1:12? at least 1:12 something. :P

I need help! :grumpy: I don't get anything better than 1:14.3

Has anyone got a tune for the Honda Not So eXcellent LM Prototype ?
 
Well I can't help you ^^ As you probably saw I was slower than you, so I'm not sure my estimates are actually good..
 
Hm, i guess I overestimated how much time you can find on this track. But sounds good, then I might get away with not practising as much this time.
 
Now down to a 13.6 in the lotus and 13.7 in the Nsx so it should be a bit of a closer fight round this track
 
Matt, are you going to make a call on number of laps for CSS Round for at the Autumn Ring please?
 
Everyones off practising after Matt announced his times ;) or maybe we just took a week off after the last race. :)
 
Everyones off practising after Matt announced his times ;) or maybe we just took a week off after the last race. :)

I know ive been busy with other things, but thats no excuse for anyone else to be slacking :P
 
Everyones off practising after Matt announced his times ;) or maybe we just took a week off after the last race. :)

Haha! I hope to start practicing tonight.

(Ha! My iPad won't allow the British spelling of the verb form of "practice". It has spoken. 'Murrica!")
 
There is a reasonably good chance T2.6K won't be able to field a full strength team for this race. Both Cobani and I cannot make it, Ejiff has previously indicated work is hectic, and E10rice seems to have dropped off the planet...
 
There is a reasonably good chance T2.6K won't be able to field a full strength team for this race. Both Cobani and I cannot make it, Ejiff has previously indicated work is hectic, and E10rice seems to have dropped off the planet...

That's a shame......just when you'd managed to get the Vette up to speed......:ouch:
 
New Rules system:


Stewards: Memto89 Jonnyb1990

Just going over the rules/regs post and realized that Steve is no longer listed as a steward. Is this a typo or is this true.

Is it fair to have two stewards from the same team? I'm not trying to say you guys aren't fair, that's not my point at all. I'm just speaking more from a procedural standpoint.

Was Steve watching the race in the second lobby a sort of pilot program for live stewarding? If so, is that going to continue and is the plan to have stewards who aren't in the race watching over?
 
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