2015 Dodge Challenger

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I'd also rather get the ZL1. That might be personal preference, though. Just reading the MT article I thought that the ZL1 had run away with a huge win. I just can't imagine why someone would want any Challenger. They're awful.
 
Pretty much agree still with what most have said, I still find it hard to believe that the new engine and aero bits that were shaped for this car and the Charger which all cost development money to mimic the Viper it seems and they couldn't figure out the rear end to fit bigger tires? Clearly they did have one goal in mind as we've been saying. Go in a straight line faster and cheaper than anyone else currently and then hope that is enough to sell the car.

Here's the issue, the ZL1 can take off from a light (if you want to goof around) and beat pretty much anything that is going to pull up to you as it is, and what it can also do is go around the track and beat pretty much anything as well. I'm really disappointed by this and am glad I'm not in the market for one yet.

psntomaz
I wasn't talking about the G's it pulled (seen greater from other mags.) I'm talking about the time it took to complete the figure 8
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Okay so an experienced driving method was used to make the car do this, it had to be finessed to pull it off, it's still not all that great and doesn't show that it's a good handling car. It's limit is quite easy to find which is the issue.
 
I honestly do not get the appeal for the challenger. Its pretty expensive compared to Mustangs and Camaros, significantly bigger and doesn't really look that sporty from any angle except the front face. Its like a 2 door charger, without the 2 extra doors. Ya its a really comfortable coupe, but that is essentially the size of a full size sedan. It also feels so outdated, sort of a relic from years past. Cannot wait for 2015 stang and next gen camaro. Hopefully Mopar ups their game because power isn't everything.
 
xNEVER-ONEx
I honestly do not get the appeal for the challenger. Its pretty expensive compared to Mustangs and Camaros, significantly bigger and doesn't really look that sporty from any angle except the front face. Its like a 2 door charger, without the 2 extra doors. Ya its a really comfortable coupe, but that is essentially the size of a full size sedan. It also feels so outdated, sort of a relic from years past. Cannot wait for 2015 stang and next gen camaro. Hopefully Mopar ups their game because power isn't everything.
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Agree with everything but the price, the guide given in this thread shows that it is suppose to be with in the same ball park as the ZL1 and GT500 (the only Mustang and Camaro that matter to this comparison). So I don't see that part.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Agree with everything but the price, the guide given in this thread shows that it is suppose to be with in the same ball park as the ZL1 and GT500 (the only Mustang and Camaro that matter to this comparison). So I don't see that part.
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I meant Challenger over all. The base model is more expensive than the Mustang, and around the same price as the base Camaro, yet when you calculate the power to weight ratio, quite not the bang for your buck. Then you get up to the RT, and the pricing remains similar to the GT/SS, but the power to weight ratio becomes even worse for the Challenger. Not sure if the Challenger comes with standards that the others don't, but still, I'm more interested in the performance aspect and with the pricing included, the Challenger never makes sense to me.

Also, I don't exactly see the Hellcat as all that off a value. Sure you get the most power, but the engineering the ZL1 is superior and it shows on the track.
 
xNEVER-ONEx
I meant Challenger over all. The base model is more expensive than the Mustang, and around the same price as the base Camaro, yet when you calculate the power to weight ratio, quite not the bang for your buck. Then you get up to the RT, and the pricing remains similar to the GT/SS, but the power to weight ratio becomes even worse for the Challenger. Not sure if the Challenger comes with standards that the others don't, but still, I'm more interested in the performance aspect and with the pricing included, the Challenger
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38K gives you a near Loaded Automatic (basic features) R/T Scat Pack Challenger with 485hp. No GG Tax, 25MPG thats pretty much a bargain.
 
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xNEVER-ONEx
I meant Challenger over all. The base model is more expensive than the Mustang, and around the same price as the base Camaro, yet when you calculate the power to weight ratio, quite not the bang for your buck. Then you get up to the RT, and the pricing remains similar to the GT/SS, but the power to weight ratio becomes even worse for the Challenger. Not sure if the Challenger comes with standards that the others don't, but still, I'm more interested in the performance aspect and with the pricing included, the Challenger never makes sense to me.

Also, I don't exactly see the Hellcat as all that off a value. Sure you get the most power, but the engineering the ZL1 is superior and it shows on the track.
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I agree with you but this area of high power and high performance sport/muscle cars, it has to be said Dodge is winning the price-for-power game. Also I figured you might be using all of the challenger models compared to all of the Camaro and Ford versions but I thought since the current discussion is and has been the Hellcat we'd swing it back.

For the Hellcat it is winning alone on the better priced sports car (even if it's not the best performer overall). Other challenger models have been losing and that has been going on for quite some time.
 
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I was going to reply on how .85g is pretty much piss-poor since a Camry with all-seasons will do better than that, but then I actually went and read the article. It's actually .94g on the skidpad, which is a lot better than I expected. Still nothing to write home about, but for a 4500lb land barge, acceptable.

Still, in the Z28/ZL1/GT500/Hellcat debate, the clear winner is a slightly used, 2 year old Z06.
 
A 2012 MY Corvette Z06 is nice and all, but for new cars, I'll have a C7 Corvette.

Lighter, less expensive, better on fuel, and no super-amazing electronic trickery is used to make it go fast. Just good ol' regular engineering.

But that 707 HP tho...
 
Who is actually going to put 5 people in a Challenger?

I've sat in the backseat of one, and it's tight for my my 6' 1'' self.
 
The issue with comparing the Hellcat to any of it's Big 3 brethren is that the Hellcat chose the "big ignorant muh-sull car" path while the others chose to be modern. The buyers are going to be completely different.
 
Beeblebrox237
Oh yes, because obviously you should buy a 707 bhp pig over a 505 bhp sports car because the pig is more practical.
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Would you buy a 505hp Camaro over a Aerial Atom because its more practical?

Azure Flare
Who is actually going to put 5 people in a Challenger?

I've sat in the backseat of one, and it's tight for my my 6' 1'' self.
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who said anything about adults? a Challenger is perfect for Starter Families with 2 kids without having to live with compromises like not having a "Sports Car" because you have a family.
 
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Azure Flare
A 2012 MY Corvette Z06 is nice and all, but for new cars, I'll have a C7 Corvette.

Lighter, less expensive, better on fuel, and no super-amazing electronic trickery is used to make it go fast. Just good ol' regular engineering.

But that 707 HP tho...
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The Z06 is actually lighter than any C7 (and the new Z06) and supposedly lighter than the ZR1 which is also lighter than the base model C7 and new Z06.

Also what are you talking about with the electronic trickery?

Azure Flare
Who is actually going to put 5 people in a Challenger?

I've sat in the backseat of one, and it's tight for my my 6' 1'' self.
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Exactly what I said as well in this thread some time ago to the same user I'm quite sure and I'm 6'2

EDIT: not sure if it was in this thread or not now that I think about it, I remember saying it but not sure which thread it was.
 
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"Starter" families don't usually have the kind of money to buy themselves a Challenger unless they already had one, and fitting two baby seats in the back of one is probably the hardest thing I could think of, because two doors. Not only that, but very rarely, actually closer to once in a blue moon, do I ever see someone younger than 45 driving one of those, at which point you're not a "starter" family anymore.

Besides, I have two kids, and I drive an EVO, and even that is getting a bit cramped for my 6 year old.
 
psntomaz
Would you buy a 505hp Camaro over a Aerial Atom because its more practical?
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No, I wouldn't, I'd have the Ariel Atom and buy something that has tolerable fuel economy, an interior that isn't utterly hateful, the visibility of a tank, and the styling of a six-year-old's dream car. The Camaro is very nearly as daft as the Challenger, but at least GM's performance division has managed to make versions of it that are genuinely good to drive, and not just shoehorn a hugely powerful engine into a car that's absolutely dreadful. How you can defend the Challenger is beyond me. Sure, Mopar has done a few cars worthy of a defence, but this is not one of them.
psntomaz
who said anything about adults? a Challenger is perfect for Starter Families with 2 kids without having to live with compromises like not having a "Sports Car" because you have a family.
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:lol: The Challenger Hellcat is neither a family car nor a sports car.

SlipZtrEm
In the newest fit of desperation, has @psntomaz now resorted to quoting the Hellcat's practicality in its defense?

:lol:
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This isn't the first time he's used practicality to defend it. He tries so hard to defend the Challenger, but there's not much that's actually good about it.
 
I do like the look of the Challenger a bit more than the Camaro and Mustang but that's just about it. The only defensive thing I can say for it is. Hope it's better after a redesign..

Has there been any more news on the smaller Cuda' replacement or what the next step for the Challenger will be?
 
Nish
I do like the look of the Challenger a bit more than the Camaro and Mustang but that's just about it. The only defensive thing I can say for it is. Hope it's better after a redesign..

Has there been any more news on the smaller Cuda' replacement or what the next step for the Challenger will be?
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Not that I've seen or can find. I think the next thing to expect from Chrysler is either an SRT4 Dart or the Hellcat -even though they said this and the Charger were it- in the Durango or Jeep
 
New coupe or refresh of the Challenger is supposed to come in MY 2018. Just haven't heard anything about if it will be the Challenger or Cuda.

Dart and Journey scheduled for MY 2016 and a B segment sedan/hatch 2018.

I think Hellcat would be Durango or Ram. Just going by style of the hoods they've been using. :dopey:
 
That's just really, really poor design. Makes the hatch on an E30 touring look generous.
 
Beeblebrox237
I'd also rather get the ZL1. That might be personal preference, though. Just reading the MT article I thought that the ZL1 had run away with a huge win. I just can't imagine why someone would want any Challenger. They're awful.
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That's all it is.
WHy would anyone get a Challenger over a Camaro? Simple. It doesn't look like a camaro.
 

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