2015 Ford Mustang - General Discussion

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Blackbird.
$72.3k for a Z/28
$61.3k for a GT350R

Do we foresee some Z/28s being discounted in the future? Or is Ford going to mark up the R so high it doesn't even matter.
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I just watched the Fast Lane Daily video for today and they mentioned that Chevy is discounting Z/28's right now ($4k off '14 models, $2k off '15 models) to get them off the lots.
 
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Blackbird.
$72.3k for a Z/28
$61.3k for a GT350R

Do we foresee some Z/28s being discounted in the future? Or is Ford going to mark up the R so high it doesn't even matter.
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Itll be interesting to see the lap times compared, but the Z/28 has stupid wide tires with, iirc, just barely street legal sticky tires (don't know if the 350R will have similar tires as standard), so I wouldn't be surprised if the Z edges it barely.

Price wise, one's on the way out & one's on the way in. Even if they are priced competively, I don't think buyers will have a lot of them to compare side by side. Might see a few Z owners trading in, though.
 
McLaren
Itll be interesting to see the lap times compared, but the Z/28 has stupid wide tires with, iirc, just barely street legal sticky tires (don't know if the 350R will have similar tires as standard), so I wouldn't be surprised if the Z edges it barely.

Price wise, one's on the way out & one's on the way in. Even if they are priced competively, I don't think buyers will have a lot of them to compare side by side. Might see a few Z owners trading in, though.
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That's tough. It's the best Camaro probably ever. Then again, the new GT350 could very well be the best Mustang ever. Each are well deserving of their moniker...unlike some previous iterations. If the Camaro was 3/4 the size....I would strongly consider one. But its an absolute tank.
 
Eunos_Cosmo
That's tough. It's the best Camaro probably ever. Then again, the new GT350 could very well be the best Mustang ever. Each are well deserving of their moniker...unlike some previous iterations. If the Camaro was 3/4 the size....I would strongly consider one. But its an absolute tank.
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I think they may trade in due to the fact that the Z/28 is just not a usable car like the Mustang. It's at home on the track & tolerant enough to drive there & back. We know those P Zeros can become nightmares in poor conditions, & even if you can manage to commute in such a car, they won't be cheap to constantly replace with mileage.

Again, I don't know if the 350R will sport similar shoes, but I'm betting it'll still tolerate being a daily driver more than the Z/28.

That being said, I'd rock the Z/28 all day. I don't know what it is, but it completely won me over with the Camaro line & that's being one of the folks who thought it was completely tacky when the concept was introduced. Like the 350R, just not as much as the bowtie. :p
 
McLaren
I think they may trade in due to the fact that the Z/28 is just not a usable car like the Mustang. It's at home on the track & tolerant enough to drive there & back. We know those P Zeros can become nightmares in poor conditions, & even if you can manage to commute in such a car, they won't be cheap to constantly replace with mileage.

Again, I don't know if the 350R will sport similar shoes, but I'm betting it'll still tolerate being a daily driver more than the Z/28.

That being said, I'd rock the Z/28 all day. I don't know what it is, but it completely won me over with the Camaro line & that's being one of the folks who thought it was completely tacky when the concept was introduced. Like the 350R, just not as much as the bowtie. :p
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I really don't see how. To me it seems like the 350R is the Z/28 in Mustang form and a bit of a far off derivative of the Boss 302 before it. I agree I'd rock either one, who needs A/C in 118 degrees of Arizona sun.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I really don't see how. To me it seems like the 350R is the Z/28 in Mustang form and a bit of a far off derivative of the Boss 302 before it. I agree I'd rock either one, who needs A/C in 118 degrees of Arizona sun.
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I would say its more like the Successor to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca, but without the obvious disadvantage of a Live Axle.
 
McLaren
That being said, I'd rock the Z/28 all day. I don't know what it is, but it completely won me over with the Camaro line & that's being one of the folks who thought it was completely tacky when the concept was introduced. Like the 350R, just not as much as the bowtie. :p
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I feel exactly the same. For me the ZL-1 first made me take a closer look. I think in all honesty, the ridiculously large, gaudy, and un-purposeful looking wheels of the normal SS always made it look like a Tonka truck. Like a toy. The ZL-1 and Z/28 both have much better wheels that help offset some of the visual mass of the body (the SS wheels merely add to it) and the facelift on the Z/28 makes it quite a good looking, handsome car. They still look like Prelude tail lights, but they are certainly better than the plastic-chrome bezels of the original car.

mustafur
I would say its more like the Successor to the Boss 302 Laguna Seca, but without the obvious disadvantage of a Live Axle.
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Maybe the LS. I see the GT350R as more of a successor to the last "R" designated Mustang, the towering 2000 SVT Cobra R with the engine basically bursting out of the hood.
 
Ford and Chevy seem to be unable to agree on competing cars.

Ford starts with the Boss 302 which is supposed to be in the same vain as the original Boss 302; a tightened up road car with track components. Then Chevy decides to step up the hardcore and that the Z/28 is going to have optional A/C and tires that are require a freaking warm up before they work and are practically suicidal in the wet. Now Ford is here with Carbon Fiber wheels and a proprietary engine. They're inevitably going to be compared but I'm not convinced that they really should be.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I really don't see how. To me it seems like the 350R is the Z/28 in Mustang form and a bit of a far off derivative of the Boss 302 before it. I agree I'd rock either one, who needs A/C in 118 degrees of Arizona sun.
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It is somewhat a Mustang version of the Z/28, but I remain confident the 350R was designed to be more forgiving. The tires are the biggest critique against the Z/28 when discussing road performance because they just don't work very well off a race track. For comparison, the 350R is running Sport Cup 2s which are more comparable to the Pirelli Corsa on the right than the Trofeo R on the left. The PSC2s are also widely used through Porsche & Ferrari as they provide a great track tire whilst remaining optimal on the street.
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After tires, comes the Z/28's suspension as pretty harsh on public roads, though the 350R's could be similar. I know both can easily have their splitters ripped off. :p
 
McLaren
Depends on what you want out of the GT350 though, as it could apply just as well. For instance, according to that spec sheet, a GT350 with the Technology Package & the Track Package (would love to know what this adds without becoming the 350R)
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Found this. Tells you everything that comes with the packages.

It appears the tech package removes the Recaro seats.
 
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Blackbird.
Found this. Tells you everything that comes with the packages.

It appears the tech package removes the Recaro seats.
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Cheers. Appears the Tech & Track Package are not selectable together, so the GT350 still stays just under the R with either a comfort package or slightly more track-suited package. 👍

Preferably, I'd go with the R & the Electronics package. All the race goodies, & the creature comforts I look for.
 
Blackbird.
Found this. Tells you everything that comes with the packages.

It appears the tech package removes the Recaro seats.
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Nice find. Tech pack removes Recaros and adds magnetic dampers.

So the GT350R is the GT350 with no stereo, no SYNC, no A/C, no rear seats, no rear view camera, and adds magnetic dampers, "tuned" suspension, oil, transmission and diff coolers and 305 front / 315 rear tires. That sounds exactly like a 2015 Z/28.

It seems like the GT350 is on a performance level well above the current Camaro SS 1LE (around $40k) but priced well below the ZL1 ($60k) and Z/28 ($70k). Maybe we will see a $45k 2016 Camaro SS 1LE variant which can compete with the 500+ hp of the new Shelby 5.2 motors.
 
Beeblebrox237
The GT350R includes a deletion of SYNC? Sod air con or a stereo, I'd pay extra for that alone.
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Haha, yea. I think it removes that entire 4 inch display in the middle of the dash but with the technology pack you can get it back again... For more money after already having paid more above the GT350 for them to remove it the first time. :rolleyes:
 
McLaren
It is somewhat a Mustang version of the Z/28, but I remain confident the 350R was designed to be more forgiving. The tires are the biggest critique against the Z/28 when discussing road performance because they just don't work very well off a race track. For comparison, the 350R is running Sport Cup 2s which are more comparable to the Pirelli Corsa on the right than the Trofeo R on the left. The PSC2s are also widely used through Porsche & Ferrari as they provide a great track tire whilst remaining optimal on the street.
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After tires, comes the Z/28's suspension as pretty harsh on public roads, though the 350R's could be similar. I know both can easily have their splitters ripped off. :p
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Well I can see that, I just think both are easily comparable due to the fact that comfort does seem to be abandoned for the full track model. Yes the Z/28 can come with A/C and radio but those are for the guys that probably wont be thrashing around the track on old school F1 esque suspension. I know the 350R also gets rid of the comforts that many like in the same way as can be done with the Z/28. I feel this exactly the Hardcore successor to what it was in the 60s, as to where the Z/28 wasn't ever this hardcore of a track car-street car. Though as you said it does look like during a normal commute (though not sure how many would try it so often) the 350R will get you around safer.

I don't know if it were up to me...I'd go Mustang. Flat plane V8 is quite unique and unless you plan on spending 150k more not sure what track/road car you can get with one of that similar power. The weight savings seems to be even more great, once again unless you have a 1. something million you're not going to get another car with carbon wheels (cough One:1). And while remaining on price it seems the 350R is cheaper than the Z/28 (correct me if I'm wrong). The only thing I'm unsure of is ride control, since I don't know much about the magneride they're offering. And the Aero for the Chevy seems better as well but can't say that with full confidence.

It is a hard choice for anyone in the market but I still say the 350R at the end of the day is an all around better package (like you say as well). While the Z/28 is better for the track more so than anything else.

EDIT: There is a electronic pack I see for the GT350R so you could have the sync or you can keep it under the 920A w/67s package. I guess that means there isn't a full on track variant only of the R. Though I guess it's safe to say the 350 track pack is probably on par with the Z/28 that still has all the comforts inside.
 
McLaren
Cheers. Appears the Tech & Track Package are not selectable together, so the GT350 still stays just under the R with either a comfort package or slightly more track-suited package. 👍

Preferably, I'd go with the R & the Electronics package. All the race goodies, & the creature comforts I look for.
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I think I'd be happy with just a base. Triple yellow with black stripes.
 
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Well, the Portuguese June edition of Top Gear Magazine has finally brought forth the prices for the Mustang around these parts. So, prepare yourselves; the GT starts at...

87.300 euros.

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You know, there are moments when I hate being right. And this is one of them. I knew this would happen, all thanks to our "lovely" car taxes. Thanks, politicians, how could I be angry at your dumb moves without you? :indiff: It doesn't help matters when the author of the article is kind enough to remind us that you can get a GT in our eternal neighbour Spain "for the price of the Ecoboost in Portugal" (quoting him on this)...
 
Niku Driver HC
Well, the Portuguese June edition of Top Gear Magazine has finally brought forth the prices for the Mustang around these parts. So, prepare yourselves; the GT starts at...

87.300 euros.

god-damnit-o.gif


You know, there are moments when I hate being right. And this is one of them. I knew this would happen, all thanks to our "lovely" car taxes. Thanks, politicians, how could I be angry at your dumb moves without you? :indiff: It doesn't help matters when the author of the article is kind enough to remind us that you can get a GT in our eternal neighbour Spain "for the price of the Ecoboost in Portugal" (quoting him on this)...
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Southern California has a similar climate to Portugal...if you are so inclined. :)
 
McLaren
I'm quite fond of the blue they've shown it in. Would grab the black roof option as well.
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Yeah that yellow one has it. I like it

Which blue? Deep Impact Blue? Or Liquid Blue? The R that was shown at shows is in Liquid Blue. Unfortunately, it hasn't been confirmed for production.
 
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