2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

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Maybe we should make a poll for the two obvious choices to win next week since they have so many wins at Charlotte...and the reason why I really don't like watching the Coke 600 or the Bank of American 500 anymore cause...yeah too predictable and no longer fun.
 

They should have had this blasting over the PA at the track :lol:


If someone puts the finish up, I'm gonna put together a race montage with that song.

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Shame for Truex on the last re-start, got stuck behind Kurt who had a bad re-start and went nowhere after that. Of course that may just have been the result of them going with fuel only on the last stop.
 
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Really, Kevin Harvick? 1K+ laps led? Yikes! First time a driver led 1K laps in about 11 races on the Cup level since Jeff Gordon in 1995, if I remember correctly from last night's telecast. All congratulations to Jimmie Johnson winning at Kansas last night. Kevin Harvick was 2nd, Dale Earnhardt Jr. was 3rd, my man Jeff Gordon was 4th, and Joey Logano placed 5th.


Up next... Charlotte. Charlotte. And more Charlotte. Did I mention Charlotte? All-Star Race and the Coca-Cola 600 coming up.
 
I'll be glad to see him back but don't know if it's such a good idea.

Edit - I actually take it back. It's a great idea. A short non points race to see how he feels in the car. If he doesn't feel good, someone else will race the 18 in the Coke 600.
 
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For some reason, I was expecting "American Bad Ass" to play after reading "I'm back" in his tweet :lol:

Great to hear he'll be racing again and this is a pretty good race for him to get back comfortable.
 
Very sad seeing that race shop get burned. As expensive as racing can be, it sucks when your race shop takes the kind of damage that one suffered. Of course, the good news is that race shops and race cars can be replaced; human lives can not. Hoping for the best for everyone involved.
 
I don't see the problem, same rules will apply to Kyle as they did for Tony when he got the waiver.

He will still need to be in the top 30 in points and by race 26, and will likely need one or multiple wins to do so. Tall order since he's missed 11 of the 26 so far and starting with 0 points. Depending how he feels after the showdown, he could miss more.

NASCAR stated when this rule was implemented that waivers would likely be granted for medical issues.
 
The same France family that owns NASCAR also owns ISC, the company that owns/manages/operates Daytona International Speedway. Their direct neglect in having safer barriers in all needed locations is what led to Kyle's injury. NASCAR owes Kyle Busch the chance to race for the title, provided he wins a race and is in the top 30 in points. It was not his fault that he missed 11 races.

Personally, I think the requirement that a driver has to start (or at least attempt to qualify for) every single race to be chase eligible is stupid. If the rule states you have to win a race and be in the top 30, who cares how many races you missed if you are still in the top 30 in points? If NASCAR wants to discourage part time drivers from winning and still making the Chase, the cutoff should be somewhere around the top 20 to 25 in points, not 30th place.
 
Well, they did it for Stewart last season, and he didn't make it, so at least to be fair, they would implicate one for Busch.

Waiver or not, it would be difficult to get into the top 30 in poi ts, let alone score a win. I'm willing to bet Kyle doesn't make the chase this year. I'd like to see him make it, but I say he won't.
 
So this happened. http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...official-release-kyle-busch-chase-waiver.html

on one hand, typical NASCAR, always warping chase eligibility whenever they see fit. I'd rather see Busch race his way in like everybody else.

On the other hand, we all kinda knew NASCAR would do this seeing as they hand out waivers for everything

Thing is unlike with Stewart, It was directly NASCAR's fault that Kyle had to sit out these 11 races. So they owe him that opportunity after his injury was directly caused by their neglect.
 
Thing is unlike with Stewart, It was directly NASCAR's fault that Kyle had to sit out these 11 races. So they owe him that opportunity after his injury was directly caused by their neglect.
They don't owe him anything.
 
They don't owe him anything.

Kyle's eligibility would have been ruined due to sitting out because NASCAR didn't have ISC (the company they own) put up those safer barriers in all the areas. It wasn't their fault he crashed, but it was their fault that he was injured. How do they NOT owe him?
 
Kyle's eligibility would have been ruined due to sitting out because NASCAR didn't have ISC (the company they own) put up those safer barriers in all the areas. It wasn't their fault he crashed, but it was their fault that he was injured. How do they NOT owe him?
Because then Rule 17.6.2.1.a is meaningless. NASCAR should have known that nobody seriously competing for the title is going to take a week off. If they eliminated the rule then there wouldn't be a problem. The fact that they added it to where Kyle could have missed 5 more races and still made the Chase is what's wrong with the Chase altogether. Granting waivers is NASCAR failing to make an intelligent decision.
 
Because then Rule 17.6.2.1.a is meaningless. NASCAR should have known that nobody seriously competing for the title is going to take a week off. If they eliminated the rule then there wouldn't be a problem. The fact that they added it to where Kyle could have missed 5 more races and still made the Chase is what's wrong with the Chase altogether. Granting waivers is NASCAR failing to make an intelligent decision.

I agree the rule is useless and shouldn't be there in the first place. Really, the chase in itself is idiotic overall. However, its there and under the current guidelines, they owe him. Not giving him a shot after he suffered a injury due to their lack of proper implementation would've been just unforgivable, and who knows how many others would suffered the same.
 
How do they NOT owe him?

The biggest issue I have with the waiver is that he wasn't injured in a Cup race. I would be totally fine if the injury happened during the Daytona 500, but it didn't. If drivers want to drive in the Xfinity series let them, but if they get injured than I can't say I feel too bad for them if it ruins their Cup season.

As for the safer barriers, while they should have been there, I don't feel that NASCAR owes Kyle anything as I'm sure he, along with every other driver, realizes that the risk of injury is there with or without safer barriers.
 
NASCAR, as with every other sporting organization, owes it to the competitors (the ones putting on the show) and the fans to keep up with safety as much as possible.

Of course, but at the same time they also need to maintain the integrity of the sport. Yes, it sucks that he was injured during a race and it's probably ruined his season, but it's not even the first time this decade that this has happened so why should he get special treatment?
 
Of course, but at the same time they also need to maintain the integrity of the sport. Yes, it sucks that he was injured during a race and it's probably ruined his season, but it's not even the first time this decade that this has happened so why should he get special treatment?
What special treatment is he getting? He still has to make the Top 30 in points and get a win if he wants to be in the Chase
 
What special treatment is he getting? He still has to make the Top 30 in points and get a win if he wants to be in the Chase

Since when was a waiver not special treatment? Nobody sitting 29th in points with a win should be eligible for a championship, I don't care what the circumstances are.

Anyways, NASCAR has already made the championship into a circus close to WWE levels so this is really just a drop in the bucket.
 
Seeing both sides of the aisle, has anyone actually looked at the standings and done any math at all or are we flying blindfolded? It is very possible Busch could get in. And although I agree that lack of SAFER barriers helped contribute to his injuries, not only is every driver inclined to accept the chance of injury or death, but he took it upon himself to double up that risk the night before the Daytona 500. So the waiver could have been denied with good reason. As for the notion that SAFER barriers need to be everywhere, this just makes NASCAR as guilty as F1 in taking safety the other way. Racing is dangerous, and the more these things progress, the less I feel sorry for people losing rides. Now, we get to see the same tracks on the calendar for the next ten years because not every venue can afford/want to install SAFER barriers.
 
Nobody sitting 29th in points with a win should be eligible for a championship, I don't care what the circumstances are.

Then your issue with this situation is the rule stating that 30th is good enough to compete for the championship, not the rule that was waived, which stipulated that a driver needed to start all 26 regular season races. These are two totally different aspects of the Chase eligibility.

Personally, I would rather have a driver that can finish inside the top 30 in points (with a race win) in just 15 starts over a driver that lucked into a win at a plate race or via fuel mileage but still finished 28th in points despite starting every race. Which guy do you think really has a better chance of advancing in the Chase?

Seeing both sides of the aisle, has anyone actually looked at the standings and done any math at all or are we flying blindfolded? It is very possible Busch could get in.
Yes, Bob Pockrass looked at previous years standings after 26 races, and looked at what the current 29th and 30th place drivers are on pace to score this year. He figured that Busch will need an average finish of somewhere between 14th and 17th to get into the top 30 by the end of the 26th race.

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cu...igible-chase-sprint-cup-waiver-nascar-granted


With a new aero and engine package in place this year that Busch has zero experience in, that's going to be a harder accomplishment than most people probably think it is. Like Hamlin, when he returned mid-season from back injuries two years ago, don't be surprised if Busch struggles a little for the first month or two back in the car.
 
Just came to make these points:
1. waivers are garbage and yes, the chase itself is garbage. The latter half of that is neither here nor there.
2. NASCAR doesn't owe him squat. No if's, ands, or but's. If anything JGR themselves owe him if it was their idea that he run the Nationwide before the 500. Inversely, it should have been fate trying to tell Kyle that dominating every single nationwide race he enters is getting old fast.
3. Even though the concept of a waiver is complete and utter garbage; if he can seemingly do the impossible and got from what, 40th in points to the top 16 and win a few races along the way, he deserves it and has now earned my long time respect (for real this time-TORC races notwithstanding). But seeing as that is utterly impossible, I mean really, he has no chance anyway, I think NASCAR made a stupid and garbage move here
 
Just came to make these points:
1. waivers are garbage and yes, the chase itself is garbage. The latter half of that is neither here nor there.
2. NASCAR doesn't owe him squat. No if's, ands, or but's. If anything JGR themselves owe him if it was their idea that he run the Nationwide before the 500. Inversely, it should have been fate trying to tell Kyle that dominating every single nationwide race he enters is getting old fast.
3. Even though the concept of a waiver is complete and utter garbage; if he can seemingly do the impossible and got from what, 40th in points to the top 16 and win a few races along the way, he deserves it and has now earned my long time respect (for real this time-TORC races notwithstanding). But seeing as that is utterly impossible, I mean really, he has no chance anyway, I think NASCAR made a stupid and garbage move here

Yet its not when Keselowski, Harvick or Logano does?
 

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