2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

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Adamgp
GM has proven OHV engines are still plenty capable.

Given the choice between the two, I believe NASCAR teams would stick with the lighter, simpler, physically smaller, and less costly OHV design.
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The whole debate rose when someone said that NASCAR should make it mandatory that they have to be production based OHV Pushrod V8s which would leave Chevy basically the sole manufacturer. It's a fancy way to say that no Toyota should be out there. I know they work.
 
Blood Eagle
The whole debate rose when someone said that NASCAR should make it mandatory that they have to be production based OHV Pushrod V8s which would leave Chevy basically the sole manufacturer. It's a fancy way to say that no Toyota should be out there. I know they work.
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Ford would be out too since I'm pretty sure the only production OHV they have at the moment is the 6.7 diesel used in the HD trucks.

I was only replying your post that OHV's are old tech and DOHC's are better.
 
Plenty of other series specify engines not produced by the manufacturer, why wouldn't NASCAR be able to adapt?... The engines of these stock cars aren't required to be "stock" are they?
 
MatskiMonk
Plenty of other series specify engines not produced by the manufacturer, why wouldn't NASCAR be able to adapt?... The engines of these stock cars aren't required to be "stock" are they?
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They're engines specifically built for NASCAR.
 
I'm really not a fan of the idea of making the cars even heavier than they are now. They already have an awful lot more heft than they probably should for things that slam into each other at 180 for 3.5 hours.
 
GTPorsche
Less downforce and less power. Significantly less downforce... and not just 25-50hp removed. If it's possible to get them back to how they ran in 93/94 at the plate races, that'd make for some great racing.
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What would be a reasonable HP? They're already down more than 100 HP in normal configuration, and they end up with 400-450 at plate tracks. It is a down force issue. Instead of running small tires, widen the rears take some rear wing away and front splitter (like you said early 90s ish but still look modern) and it would be better, once again Mechanical Grip just like many series should be doing. OR you could probably get away with much more downforce to the point where drag is making these cars run slower due to it.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
What would be a reasonable HP? They're already down more than 100 HP in normal configuration, and they end up with 400-450 at plate tracks. It is a down force issue. Instead of running small tires, widen the rears take some rear wing away and front splitter (like you said early 90s ish but still look modern) and it would be better, once again Mechanical Grip just like many series should be doing. OR you could probably get away with much more downforce to the point where drag is making these cars run slower due to it.
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Diveplanes, more fender flare action and 90's Trans-Am spoilers. :drool:
 
GTPorsche
I guess the main solution is to make the cars less aero dependent.. possibly by putting them back to looking more like a street car instead of a silhouette racer.
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You mean the thing most of us use to the NASCAR thread have been saying for several years now (including you), you know the France family doesn't care about that. Plus explosions on fourth of July weekend at a NASCAR race involving NASCAR cup cars shouts MERICA like no other. Which means money in their pockets for Dega and next years Daytona tickets.

Like they care about actual better racing that doesn't send shrapnel at their paying customers.

catamount39
Diveplanes, more fender flare action and 90's Trans-Am spoilers. :drool:
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If you want NASCAR to do a tribute to IROC I guess that works.
 
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LMSCorvetteGT2
OR you could probably get away with much more downforce to the point where drag is making these cars run slower due to it.
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That would just make things worse, I'd think. Make them far more susceptible to flipping crazy fence action, plus half of those guys would just drive the tires off of their cars since now they can pin it on every track in every turn.
 
Tornado
That would just make things worse, I'd think. Make them far more susceptible to flipping crazy fence action, plus half of those guys would just drive the tires off of their cars since now they can pin it on every track in every turn.
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I was purely talking about plate tracks. Since this doesn't seem to be an issue anywhere else. Even the mile-half tracks don't have this problem, plus the added downforce would create the same issue F1 has and at time and thus the car wouldn't follow as close but then a new issue manifests, so yeah probably not the best solution.
 
We could have a tire that wears out more to create a 2004 or pre 1997 feel where the best cars rise to the front. But the cars are too unstable leading to crashes remember with the wicker on the cars in 2001 which lead to insane racing but they had a caution free race at dega that year. The problem can be if you go to far you end up with a 2006 Winn Dixie 250 where Jr had a 10 second lead. Also the Michigan and Indy package should be interesting at the least
 
Spare some thoughts for and wish for the best for Buddy Baker, whom reportedly has been diagnosed with lung cancer. I hope he's able to win his battle with lung cancer. We lost Steve Byrnes earlier this year to cancer. I am hopeful Buddy Baker can win his fight with cancer.
 
JohnBM01
Spare some thoughts for and wish for the best for Buddy Baker, whom reportedly has been diagnosed with lung cancer. I hope he's able to win his battle with lung cancer. We lost Steve Byrnes earlier this year to cancer. I am hopeful Buddy Baker can win his fight with cancer.
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A great driver and a great color commentator, I hope he recovers well from this.
 
GTPorsche
I guess the main solution is to make the cars less aero dependent.. possibly by putting them back to looking more like a street car instead of a silhouette racer.
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You mean like a...STOCK CAR...what a concept! Somebody should make a race series like that some day :sly:
 
GTPorsche
Standard procedure, unfortunately.

They won't win for the same reason a fan at a baseball game can't sue after getting hit by a bat or a ball. By purchasing the ticket, you are fully acknowledging that there is a risk of being hit by debris flying into the stands at any point during the event.
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Exactly, that is why my Daytona prints this on the back of every ticket:

"The holder of this ticket expressly assumes all risk incident to the event, whether occurring prior to, during or subsequent to the actual event, and agrees that all participants, sanctioning bodies, and all employees, agents, officers, and directors of Daytona International Speedway, its affiliates and subsidiaries, are hereby released from any and all claims arising from the event, including claims of negligence"

My Chicagoland tickets have a similar warning as well.
 
Why should we get rid of splitters? Forget the aero grip for a moment, because in a gen 6 this would gave torn up a race car at 1:25

 
For at least a few months now I've said they need to get rid of the splitters. That along with raising the cars up a bit would make things more interesting as it would take away the aero forces.
 
JohnBM01
Spare some thoughts for and wish for the best for Buddy Baker, whom reportedly has been diagnosed with lung cancer. I hope he's able to win his battle with lung cancer. We lost Steve Byrnes earlier this year to cancer. I am hopeful Buddy Baker can win his fight with cancer.
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Bobby Hamilton, BP, Steve Byrnes and now Buddy...cancer sucks. :grumpy:
 

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