2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

[Furinkazen]

It has everything to do with pack racing. You get that many cars that close to each other going that fast you drastically increase the likelihood of sending a car airborne. How many times have we seen a car go airborne from this type of racing? I've lost count.

No. Physics.

Car gets turned around at 190mph, physics dictate it might get airbourne.

Again, the most spectacular crash of recent times happened between 3 cars and injured more dans. Hardly a pack.

However I will say the Gen6 car does appear a little less composed than the COT.

 

[Demon Drone]

No. Physics.

Car gets turned around at 190mph, physics dictate it might get airbourne.

And when you have that many cars bouncing off of each other at weird angles you make that even worse.

Again, the most spectacular crash of recent times happened between 3 cars and injured more dans. Hardly a pack.

For OW cars that was a pack. The same concept applies. No where to go and hope you don't slam into another car to send you in the air.

 

[Furinkazen]

For OW cars that was a pack. The same concept applies. No where to go and hope you don't slam into another car to send you in the air.

Open wheelers are wholly irrelevant.

 

[lintels123]

I don't get on GTP often anymore. I had ti drop in though to say that i seriously thought Austin was dead, if not seriously injured. The fact that he was able to walk away like nothing is amazing. I see this as a freak accident. Its hard to find something to change to the cars them selves. Look at the Nationwide crash a couple of years ago that Bowyer had at dover. Similar style at slower speeds, didnt flip but it's bound to happen.

Time will tell what the Track owmers amd NASCAR will do to make it safer. Good on NASCAR for all the innovations to let Austin Dillon walk away though. It could have ended a lot worse though if he would have gone roof first in to the fence...

 

[sk8er913]

I don't get on GTP often anymore. I had ti drop in though to say that i seriously thought Austin was dead, if not seriously injured. The fact that he was able to walk away like nothing is amazing. I see this as a freak accident. Its hard to find something to change to the cars them selves. Look at the Nationwide crash a couple of years ago that Bowyer had at dover. Similar style at slower speeds, didnt flip but it's bound to happen.

Time will tell what the Track owmers amd NASCAR will do to make it safer. Good on NASCAR for all the innovations to let Austin Dillon walk away though. It could have ended a lot worse though if he would have gone roof first in to the fence...

If it was not a NASCAR, this would've been bad. But lets face it, It's a lot more likely to happen because it is NASCAR. It is full throttle stock car racing, crashes happen more often and the tend to be larger too.

 

[Blitz24]

Woke up and saw the highlights. Got visions of Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson, Bobby Allison (all good), Geoff Bodine, and Russell Phillips (bad to horrifically tragic). Glad to see Dillon walk away from that but that's 3 accidents in the same area over the past 18 months with cars going into that same fence.

 

[sk8er913]

Woke up and saw the highlights. Got visions of Kyle Busch, Kyle Larson, Bobby Allison (all good), Geoff Bodine, and Russell Phillips (bad to horrifically tragic). Glad to see Dillon walk away from that but that's 3 accidents in the same area over the past 18 months with cars going into that same fence.

Hope they repair it good and reinforce it a little, maybe adjust the flaps too...

 

[Cole Brown]

As usual a stupid plate race results is a horrific crash. They're going to kill someone. And Nascar won't do a damn thing about it until they actually do. This is neglect. Plain an simple. It's only a matter of time before we have multiple cars go in the fence and we have an engine go in the stands. They keep playing with fire and they;re eventually gonna get burned bad.

Trust me, there will be Major changes, not to mention. They learn from things like this. Other wise, there would be a lot more drivers who had died. So calm down. If you argue otherwise, some perfect examples are Dale Earnhardt Sr, Michael Waltrip, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, Carl Edwards, Eric McClure, safety has improved where drivers have some how magically found a way to do something they weren't suppose to.

If it was not a NASCAR, this would've been bad. But lets face it, It's a lot more likely to happen because it is NASCAR. It is full throttle stock car racing, crashes happen more often and the tend to be larger too.

Agreeing with you, If a car goes airborne in F1, people will die. If an F1 car goes head on into a wall, someone may die. Or just be braindead for the rest of their life. Nascar, as I have been saying all night, provide the safest experience in all of motorsports for the drivers and fans. Anywhere else, any other car. They would have been dead.

Hope they repair it good and reinforce it a little, maybe adjust the flaps too...

Hopefully they do like I and a few other said earlier. Add another fence. Lower so you can still see. But so if anything does go through, it will be caught, just in case.

 

[Dotini]

Earnhardt’s father died on that same track 14 years ago, and both fans and announcers feared the worst when seeing the destruction caused to Dillon’s #3 Chevy. Fans were also injured at Daytona two years ago when Kyle Larson’s car tore through the catch fence.

 

[Adamgp]

Couldn't stay up to watch the race, so I DVR'd it, will watch tonight. Went to bed just as the drivers were getting in the cars.

Saw the wreck this morning, glad he walked away. Right where the fence got torn apart is about where our seats are for the 500. (we are on the upper level)

I should add that seeing crews from other teams run out to check on him was cool to see.

The fences were already reinforced after the Larson crash where the engine went into the stands. It did it's job last night keeping the car and the big debris out of the stands. Not sure how much more they can do.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Agreeing with you, If a car goes airborne in F1, people will die. If an F1 car goes head on into a wall, someone may die. Or just be braindead for the rest of their life. Nascar, as I have been saying all night, provide the safest experience in all of motorsports for the drivers and fans. Anywhere else, any other car. They would have been dead.

Given the number of cars, the high average speed, and the proximity to walls, fences and people at most tracks, the varying 'talents' throughout the field and the regularity of the races, NASCAR does have a fairly good record in my opinion, but of all the crashes I have seen the one where I thought, "yup, he's dead" was an F1 car, in the air, nosing into a concrete wall - Kubica at Canada '07 - and if you look at some of the high speed LMP 1 crashes at Le Mans in recent years, I think you do other series' a disservice - the relative lack of fatalities shows that despite motorsport being inherently dangerous, it's surprisingly safe too!

 

[Bo]

Agreeing with you, If a car goes airborne in F1, people will die.

No they won't. A carbon safety cell gives about twice the protection and much more effective dissipation than a tube frame packed with some foam padding. A considerable amount of Tier 2 formulae have gone airborne over the past few years, and there have been no injuries to drivers or spectators.

If an F1 car goes head on into a wall, someone may die.

May. That's the key word. That's no different for any other forms of motorsport. The most common cause of death in modern motorsport is rapid deceleration trauma, which absolutely no driver is immune to, regardless of the category.

Or just be braindead for the rest of their life.

Now you're plucking random things out of thin air. Leave open-wheel specific injuries out of this.

Nascar, as I have been saying all night, provide the safest experience in all of motorsports for the drivers and fans.

NASCAR think they have the tools in place to comprehensively deal with large incidents. They don't, they're just incredibly lucky. What you've just typed is the polar opposite of reality, and it's why people outside the NASCAR bubble often view it as a bad joke. No sane sanctioning body would continually run pack races which are bound to end in a crash such as this one, on tracks with so little protection for the fans. Look at it this way - over the past 5 or so years, look at debris/fan injury incidents at superspeedway races, and then look at all the other fan injury incidents in other series. You'll see how appallingly common it is in comparison to all other forms of motorsport.

The only thing I can really tell you is to get outside the NASCAR bubble. They may have a good driver safety record, but the frequency of fan injuries leaves a lot to be desired.

 

[LancerEvo7]

I passed out about 70 laps in, woke up to this. Honestly not sure how Austin Dillon is alive right now, I'm so happy no one's injuries sound serious.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Since I don't have cable I wasn't able to watch the race, even then it was too late anyway I have to be up at 6am for work and a NASCAR race to me isn't worth being tired all day for. Saw the final accident video on Facebook this morning. Glad everyone is ok. That's tribute to all the hard working people that invented and put all that safety equipment in place over the years. I think the fact the car hit bottom side against the fence, almost parallel to it helped keep most of the debris on the track side of the fence. If it had hit on any other side of the car it might have been worse.

 

[GTPorsche]

Austin Dillon came out of that wreck with just a bruised forearm and tailbone. Keselowski also said he has no idea how the car spun on him because he was slowing down smoothly before it snapped around on him. I'd guess it was due to all the fluid on the track from the wreck that caused him to lose control.

 

[ukfan758]

Trust me, there will be Major changes, not to mention. They learn from things like this. Other wise, there would be a lot more drivers who had died. So calm down. If you argue otherwise, some perfect examples are Dale Earnhardt Sr, Michael Waltrip, Denny Hamlin, Kyle Larson, Carl Edwards, Eric McClure, safety has improved where drivers have some how magically found a way to do something they weren't suppose to.



Agreeing with you, If a car goes airborne in F1, people will die. If an F1 car goes head on into a wall, someone may die. Or just be braindead for the rest of their life. Nascar, as I have been saying all night, provide the safest experience in all of motorsports for the drivers and fans. Anywhere else, any other car. They would have been dead.



Hopefully they do like I and a few other said earlier. Add another fence. Lower so you can still see. But so if anything does go through, it will be caught, just in case.

No they won't. A carbon safety cell gives about twice the protection and much more effective dissipation than a tube frame packed with some foam padding. A considerable amount of Tier 2 formulae have gone airborne over the past few years, and there have been no injuries to drivers or spectators.

May. That's the key word. That's no different for any other forms of motorsport. The most common cause of death in modern motorsport is rapid deceleration trauma, which absolutely no driver is immune to, regardless of the category.

Now you're plucking random things out of thin air. Leave open-wheel specific injuries out of this.

NASCAR think they have the tools in place to comprehensively deal with large incidents. They don't, they're just incredibly lucky. What you've just typed is the polar opposite of reality, and it's why people outside the NASCAR bubble often view it as a bad joke. No sane sanctioning body would continually run pack races which are bound to end in a crash such as this one, on tracks with so little protection for the fans. Look at it this way - over the past 5 or so years, look at debris/fan injury incidents at superspeedway races, and then look at all the other fan injury incidents in other series. You'll see how appallingly common it is in comparison to all other forms of motorsport.

The only thing I can really tell you is to get outside the NASCAR bubble. They may have a good driver safety record, but the frequency of fan injuries leaves a lot to be desired.

Why are we attempting to compare NASCAR to F1? You can't, it's like apples to oranges.

 

[Jahgee]

SPOILER ALERT: He swears

 

[GTRacer22]

Greg Ives, good job giving the right instructions. 👍

 

[Furinkazen]

Language warning?

 

[GTRacer22]

Language warning?

I would recommend to put that on there, but he doesn't say anything too bad.

 

[Jahgee]

Language warning?

The video is titled "UNCENSORED reaction", I thought that would cover it

 

[GTRacer22]

Ryan Newman's view on Dillon's crash.

 

[Cole Brown]

Hope they repair it good and reinforce it a little, maybe adjust the flaps too...

No they won't. A carbon safety cell gives about twice the protection and much more effective dissipation than a tube frame packed with some foam padding. A considerable amount of Tier 2 formulae have gone airborne over the past few years, and there have been no injuries to drivers or spectators.

May. That's the key word. That's no different for any other forms of motorsport. The most common cause of death in modern motorsport is rapid deceleration trauma, which absolutely no driver is immune to, regardless of the category.

Now you're plucking random things out of thin air. Leave open-wheel specific injuries out of this.

NASCAR think they have the tools in place to comprehensively deal with large incidents. They don't, they're just incredibly lucky. What you've just typed is the polar opposite of reality, and it's why people outside the NASCAR bubble often view it as a bad joke. No sane sanctioning body would continually run pack races which are bound to end in a crash such as this one, on tracks with so little protection for the fans. Look at it this way - over the past 5 or so years, look at debris/fan injury incidents at superspeedway races, and then look at all the other fan injury incidents in other series. You'll see how appallingly common it is in comparison to all other forms of motorsport.

The only thing I can really tell you is to get outside the NASCAR bubble. They may have a good driver safety record, but the frequency of fan injuries leaves a lot to be desired.

I am outside that "bubble" prior to that Race, I had watched the F1 race, Tudor sports car series. I watch a lot more than Just Nascar. This is where I leave the thread again. have fun guys.

 

[Leadfoot530]

Good on Junior and the #88 team. I might not root for the Hendrick cars a whole lot, but they get a big checkmark next to the sportsmanship box.

Wonder if Junior will have a few more cars...well...what's left of them...added to his junkyard.

 

[GTPorsche]

Possibly. Dillon's car was sent to NASCAR R&D, so it'll be a while before Jr gets that one, if he does.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

I kind of figured that Dillon's car was headed to Concord-well, what is left of it, that is. Jr.'s reaction was a whole lot like mine when I saw the wreck. I still am amazed that Austin only suffered a bruised arm and tailbone as a result of that because I (like many here) thought he was gone.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

After thinking about it, I now see how Dillon lived through that crash with only minor injuries. It was like falling onto a trampoline or one of those massive inflatables except sideways. Yes, there's a quick deceleration but it's controlled rather than sudden. Having much of the car disintegrate was also a plus as that dissipated the force. In the end, I would assume the impact force on Dillon pushed him down against his seat, hence the bruised tailbone.

 

[GTRacer22]

I wonder where the shifter went.. The whole engine/transmission assembly was ripped out of the car. So either the shifter is still in the car, or its laying in the fence or somewhere.

 

[AnthonyD1993]

According to NASCAR.com, DIS President Joie Chitwood just said that the safety measures worked.

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-me...tional-speedway-catchfence-joie-chitwood.html

 

[CodeRedR51]

I wonder if they can give us a hard number for the G forces involved in that fence slowing the car from 180+mph to almost nothing in probably less than 100 feet.