2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

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Swagger897
A.) Matt was slower than Logano. It's not like he just pushed out of the way "Just cuz" like we saw tonight.
B.) Both were on the lead lap, fighting for position, not like what we saw tonight.
C.) No one has said intentional yet, only those who believe it was Joey's intent to do so, which no one can prove. The best excuse someone can come up with for it (not being Matt or Joey) is that the turbulent air lifted the car off on the left rear and caused Matt to spin. So simply put, Matt couldn't handle it.
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So then there is no proof Kenseth took Logano intentionally either. Although painfully obvious, it's all heresay. Kenseth took the high road same as the guy who took him out of the chase. Nobody can prove anything so why does NASCAR care so mich now? It's all their doing anyways.
 
Dotini
When two guys are fighting for the lead and have confrontation, that is one thing. When a guy many laps down wrecks the leader, that's another.

Look for a one race suspension at a bare minimum.
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What does it matter? Kenseth is out and probably because of Logano's actions. NASCAR let Logano take out a champoinship contender with no reprocussions and let Harvick change the outcome of a race to stay in with no reprocussions. Why does Kenseth care to get parked? He's done. You can thank NASCAR for letting it get to this point.
 
The two most relevant incidents in determining the punishment Kenseth will face are this

100K fine, 25 point penalty and probation for the rest of the year
and this

50K fine, parked for the rest of the weekend, and probation for the rest of the year
 
Blood Eagle
What does it matter? Kenseth is out and probably because of Logano's actions. NASCAR let Logano take out a champoinship contender with no reprocussions and let Harvick change the outcome of a race to stay in with no reprocussions. Why does Kenseth care to get parked? He's done. You can thank NASCAR for letting it get to this point.
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Agreed.
The NBC Booth even understood what Logano was doing. Deliberately (or maybe not deliberately) making sure Kenseth didn't win so he had one less competitor for the next round. Unfortunately for Kenseth, Logano's move worked. Unfortunately for Logano, he HAD to anticipate that Kenseth MIGHT want revenge. Neither driver is right, but this could have been handled better.
 
Blood Eagle
So then there is no proof Kenseth took Logano intentionally either. Although painfully obvious, it's all heresay. Kenseth took the high road same as the guy who took him out of the chase. Nobody can prove anything so why does NASCAR care so mich now? It's all their doing anyways.
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I'm sorry but being in denial of something does not mean it still ceases to exist.

Blatant idiocy there.

Blood Eagle
What does it matter? Kenseth is out and probably because of Logano's actions. NASCAR let Logano take out a champoinship contender with no reprocussions and let Harvick change the outcome of a race to stay in with no reprocussions. Why does Kenseth care to get parked? He's done. You can thank NASCAR for letting it get to this point.
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Because it's getting out of hand.

All these incidents people are posting mean nothing because they are all in contention for position. What happened tonight was not payback, it was desperation to make him seem manly over who is one of the youngest in the sport.


Probation means nothing too, they still race..
 
Swagger897
I'm sorry but being in denial of something does not mean it still ceases to exist.

Blatant idiocy there.


Because it's getting out of hand.

All these incidents people are posting mean nothing because they are all in contention for position. What happened tonight was not payback, it was desperation to make him seem manly over who is one of the youngest in the sport.


Probation means nothing too, they still race..
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Gordon taking out Bowyer was the same situation, except Bowyer wasn't the leader
 
Jahgee1124
Gordon taking out Bowyer was the same situation, except Bowyer wasn't the leader
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I have mixed opinions about that for an example.

Yes, Gordon came down from the line but he was maintaining a racing line through the turn. Bowyer was clear down in no mans land for that turn, and there's no way he could've made it through without using Gordon as a wall. It's 50/50 on both in my eyes, and honestly Bowyer set himself up for it, you can't just dive into there like that.

A better example would be whoever slammed Larson into the wall in Phoenix (Newman?).

Like I said, desperation.
 
Swagger897
What happened tonight was not payback, it was desperation to make him seem manly over who is one of the youngest in the sport.
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Make no mistake about what happened. That was definite payback. That was a direct reaction for Joey's role in the Kansas incident. Call it what you will. It was payback. Did I think Kenseth would sink to that level? No. You are blind if you don't see it for what it was.
 
Just for the record, while I don't exactly condone what Kenseth did, I can understand why Kenseth took out Logano. He had a chance to advance in the Chase but someone that was already advancing ran him over rather than pass him cleanly. NASCAR decided this was acceptable. In his mind, he got screwed over both by a driver who couldn't even man up to what he did and the governing body that's supposed to ensure fair competition on the track. His comment that what Logano did was not "tactically smart" was a giveaway that - barring winning at Talladega - he had every intention to retaliate in the next round.

The thing is that, in my opinion, this was his way of giving a big fat middle finger to Logano and NASCAR. He's already out of the Chase. He's not winning a championship this year. If anything, his interview after the incident was just rubbing it right in NASCAR's face, almost daring them to penalize him because the only apparent way NASCAR could prove intent is if the driver admits it out in the open.

You can say he showed disrespect to the sport that supports him but for Kenseth, he got no respect at Kansas. At his age and with already one championship under his belt, he may have reached a point in which he wasn't putting up with these shenanigans anymore.
 
Can she please go away? She's useless at EVERYTHING. Oh wait, Tony Stewart Signed her up again.

*sigh* Maybe the real reason she's still there is because He's done with this circus act and she is amusing enough for it.
 
Swagger897
You're right.... Call it what you will...
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The real funny part is we are arguing about the same point. Don't let drivers wreck eachother and think that's ok. You are justifying the 22 because he is still in it. You are condemning the 20 because he's not. The 20 was in it "probably" until the 22 took him out. Diliberetly even. Not sure why that's acceptable and the 20 taking him out isn't. NASCAR gon NASCAR though. Park the 20. Not like it really even matters anymore.
 
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Blood Eagle
The real funny part is we are arguing anout the same point. Don't let drivers wreck eachother and think that's ok. You are justifying the 22 because he is still in it. You are condemning the 20 because he's not. The 20 yas in it "probably" until the 22 took him out. Diliberetly even. Not sure why that's acceptable and the 20 taking him out isn't. NASCAR gon NASCAR though. Park the 20. Mot like it really even matters anymore.
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Wait...how do you park a car that, well, basically was already parked?
 
I'm just gonna drop this here...

I understand that Kenseth was extremely frustrated with Logano. I understand Logano stole a win from Kenseth. But there is ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM in motorsports for intentionally wrecking another driver. Any quarrels between drivers should be handled off track. PERIOD.

IMO, Kenseth should be parked for the rest of the season.
 
They're both idiots for driving like Bronze licensed GT Ferrari Am drivers and NASCAR are idiots for allowing this idiocy to happen. I don't care if it's NASCAR, I've seen Touring Car races cleaner than how things have gotten because of this chase ****! You're a top level series, hand out some dang penalties for stupid driving that's clearly not a "racing incident".


Kudos to the podium drivers for actually driving classy, AND JEFF GORDON WON! :D
 

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