2015 NASCAR Thread - And then there was 1

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Just for the record, while I don't exactly condone what Kenseth did, I can understand why Kenseth took out Logano. He had a chance to advance in the Chase but someone that was already advancing ran him over rather than pass him cleanly. NASCAR decided this was acceptable. In his mind, he got screwed over both by a driver who couldn't even man up to what he did and the governing body that's supposed to ensure fair competition on the track. His comment that what Logano did was not "tactically smart" was a giveaway that - barring winning at Talladega - he had every intention to retaliate in the next round.

The thing is that, in my opinion, this was his way of giving a big fat middle finger to Logano and NASCAR. He's already out of the Chase. He's not winning a championship this year. If anything, his interview after the incident was just rubbing it right in NASCAR's face, almost daring them to penalize him because the only apparent way NASCAR could prove intent is if the driver admits it out in the open.

You can say he showed disrespect to the sport that supports him but for Kenseth, he got no respect at Kansas. At his age and with

This is the bottom line.
 
Wait...how do you park a car that, well, basically was already parked?
I think the decision to park Kenseth if his car could still continue was more or less damage control for the fact that he took out Logano while he was leading. This whole situation could have been avoided by NASCAR actually enforcing the rules (starting with the initial incident at Kansas), but NASCAR decided that being hands off was a better decision until now. They're now (more than ever) paying for the decision to be lax with rule enforcement before it gets way, way out of hand (too late for that because its already at that point).
 
I'm just gonna drop this here...

I understand that Kenseth was extremely frustrated with Logano. I understand Logano stole a win from Kenseth. But there is ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM in motorsports for intentionally wrecking another driver. Any quarrels between drivers should be handled off track. PERIOD.

IMO, Kenseth should be parked for the rest of the season.
I kind of like Kenseth, but come on, what he did was incredibly immature.
 
I'm just gonna drop this here...

I understand that Kenseth was extremely frustrated with Logano. I understand Logano stole a win from Kenseth. But there is ABSOLUTELY NO ROOM in motorsports for intentionally wrecking another driver. Any quarrels between drivers should be handled off track. PERIOD.

IMO, Kenseth should be parked for the rest of the season.

Again, what about the 22? He gets a free pass? You are condemning the 20 for exactly what the 22 did to him. It's not right on either of their parts just not sure why you guys are letting the 22 slide.
 
What about the 22?
Are we referring to what started all this? If so, what the 22 did was just racing. As an amateur racing driver myself: block me once, I back off. Block me twice, I don't back off. At that point, whatever happens is your fault. "Fool me once, fool me twice" and all that.
 
Again, what about the 22? He gets a free pass? You are condemning the 20 for exactly what the 22 did to him. It's not right on either of their parts just not sire why you guys are letting the 22 slide b
No. 22 shouldn't get a free pass. But NASCAR has already made their decision about that incident. That's not going to change. NASCAR should take what happened today as a wake up call. They are losing control of their drivers, and they need to start handing out penalties.
 
Are we referring to what started all this? If so, what the 22 did was just racing. As an amateur racing driver myself: block me once, I back off. Block me twice, I don't back off. At that point, whatever happens is your fault. "Fool me once, fool me twice" and all that.
As an amateur racer, are you actually that willing to risk your own equipment for petty payback?
 
Are we referring to what started all this? If so, what the 22 did was just racing. As an amateur racing driver myself: block me once, I back off. Block me twice, I don't back off. At that point, whatever happens is your fault. "Fool me once, fool me twice" and all that.

As an amateur racer, are you actually that willing to risk your own equipment for petty payback?

And at a point where you're hardly established too?
 
No. 22 shouldn't get a free pass. But NASCAR has already made their decision about that incident. That's not going to change. NASCAR should take what happened today as a wake up call. They are losing control of their drivers, and they need to start handing out penalties.
In my opinion, they lost control due to not penalizing Logano for the initial incident. The drivers decided that since nothing happened to Logano, nothing would happen to them if they took out a competitor (or competitors), and for the most part, that's exactly what has happened in the past few weeks.
 
Are we referring to what started all this? If so, what the 22 did was just racing. As an amateur racing driver myself: block me once, I back off. Block me twice, I don't back off. At that point, whatever happens is your fault. "Fool me once, fool me twice" and all that.

Joey blocked at Talladega many times. If you need to win and block and have a slower car and the guy spins you it's ok then next week you employ the same strategy is fine? That's hypocritical. You do what you can do to win. Logano could have passed him clean but didn't. In that same respect, as a racer yourself, if someone could pass you clean but just decided to dump you, wouldn't you be a little upset?
 
I just realized that while all this was going on, I don't think I can recall a single Roush car wrecking.
 
Guarantee that if they took action on the incident at Kansas, then the incident at Talladega doesn't occur either. What Kenseth did today was out of line, but that doesn't make the other two incidents any better.

If Harvick had wrecked Dale Jr, NASCAR would have dropped everything to fix the situation because they wouldn't have wanted to deal with the fan backlash from that.
 
The real funny part is we are arguing about the same point. Don't let drivers wreck eachother and think that's ok. You are justifying the 22 because he is still in it. You are condemning the 20 because he's not. The 20 was in it "probably" until the 22 took him out. Diliberetly even. Not sure why that's acceptable and the 20 taking him out isn't. NASCAR gon NASCAR though. Park the 20. Not like it really even matters anymore.
No, I justify the 22 on the basis that Matt's off track excursion wasn't the intent of Joey. Maybe to make him go high, but not to punt him off track.

And then you come back saying that Kenseth intentionally hitting Joey off track is just "heresay"...
 
By the way, speaking of Talladega, During the race today, I overheard that NASCAR would have 3 attempts at a GWC for todays race. Did they change the rule that they just changed last week?
 
I just realized that while all this was going on, I don't think I can recall a single Roush car wrecking.
Stenhouse apparently crashed out, and judging by twitter updates during the F1 race, Biffle brought out 3 cautions.

I think one of the chase drivers might have wrecked Bayne.. I'm not sure on that one.
 
Stenhouse apparently crashed out, and judging by twitter updates during the F1 race, Biffle brought out 3 cautions.

I think one of the chase drivers might have wrecked Bayne.. I'm not sure on that one.

I remember hearing about Bayne during the last few laps (dove in on pit road I believe).
 
By the way, speaking of Talladega, During the race today, I overheard that NASCAR would have 3 attempts at a GWC for todays race. Did they change the rule that they just changed last week?
Only changed to make the casual fan think last week was somehow safer than the Pepsi 400
 
As an amateur racer, are you actually that willing to risk your own equipment for petty payback?
I was referring to what started all this (Keselowski "wrecking" Kenseth a few weeks ago, although Kenseth brought it on himself IMO). I would never try to intentionally wreck another driver. I've only deliberately spun one person in my entire career, and a) it was during the cooldown lap after the race, and b) I still regret it because it was so dishonorable and out-of-character for me. However, if you try to block me repeatedly, I can't guarantee that both of us are going to escape the incident unharmed, especially that late in the race when I'm trying to win. At that point, I'm going to hold my ground.
By the way, speaking of Talladega, During the race today, I overheard that NASCAR would have 3 attempts at a GWC for todays race. Did they change the rule that they just changed last week?
I believe the whole "one attempt" rule was just for Talladega, yes.
 
No, I justify the 22 on the basis that Matt's off track excursion wasn't the intent of Joey. Maybe to make him go high, but not to punt him off track.

And then you come back saying that Kenseth intentionally hitting Joey off track is just "heresay"...

"Heresay" in quotation marks is where you misunderstood the scarcasm on an obvious dump by the 20 to the 22. Face it, Joey lied and Kenseth did too following suit of Joey's lie. It's very apparent that both were intentional. You keep taking Joey's word for truth and in that respect you should take Matt's as the same since both incidents were "unintentional". Why can't you see what the 22 did as intentional? It's real clear.
 
And at a point where you're hardly established too?
I've been racing for 15 years and have won two track championships, a number that would have been at least doubled if not for two instances where track officials were blatantly skewed towards other racers, doing everything in their power to prevent me from capturing the championship. I've won 250+ races overall (heats and features), started a wiki about Gran Turismo to which I sometimes volunteer my knowledge, and been a commentator for the ORA GT World Championship and GTPES.

So yeah, pro or not I'm pretty well established in the racing world for an amateur. Therefore I know what I'm talking about.
 
Then why haven't we ever heard of you? Actually, don't answer becaus we don't care. This forum is for people to freely state opinions about NASCAR. Personally, I don't really care about your credentials as they bear no significance to the thread. Everyone is entitled to their own take. 'Merica.
 
It's very apparent that both were intentional.
I've yet to say it wasn't. The out come was not intentional, something I've repeatedly said, however, Matt knew full knowingly what he was doing, and then turned into an ass hat when he gave the childish lying interview.

You keep taking Joey's word for truth and in that respect you should take Matt's as the same
Are you serious? Or is this more of your sarcasm which you'd like to post next saying obviously I don't understand??
 
Then why haven't we ever heard of you?
Because you generally don't hear about amateur racers. Very few of the races I've competed in were televised, and the ones that were, were tape-delayed, edited down to 30 minutes, and only shown to a few thousand people in Portsmouth, Virginia 9+ years ago. Not all racing is shown on TV, you know.
 
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