2016 Formula 1 Shell Belgian Grand PrixFormula 1 

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8l23ub
Ten races ago Kyvatt qualified sixth and finished on the podium, he seems to be sliding away
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He was also driving a much faster car. Sainz barely made it into Q2 himself this race. I wont disagree that Kvyat doesn't seem to really have it since the move, but moving a driver nearly halfway through the season into a different car, that he isn't use to isn't always fun.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Ah I see, I still think Lewis should be last, but I guess the fact he didn't set a time and would have to ask for permission to race.
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As I understand it, penalties are applied in the order that they are incurred, but only once the final grid is set. Drivers who set a lap time get priority, then drivers who set a sector time, then drivers who attempt to set a time, and then drivers who stay in the pit.
 
prisonermonkeys
As I understand it, penalties are applied in the order that they are incurred, but only once the final grid is set. Drivers who set a lap time get priority, then drivers who set a sector time, then drivers who attempt to set a time, and then drivers who stay in the pit.
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Okay then it's still a bit silly but moving on, thanks for the info.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
He was also driving a much faster car
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Not to mention a car that has been receiving engine updates. Toro Rosso knew that they would slide backwards because no work it being done on the 2015 Ferrari engine.

LMSCorvetteGT2
Okay then it's still a bit silly
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They had this problem at Suzuka a few years ago. Someone - Nick Heidfeld, I think - crashed in qualifying and a whole host of drivers got penalised for speeding under yellows. They all took five-place penalties, but because those penalties were applied at the time that they were incurred, some drivers only ended up taking two or three places because they would take their penalty, but someone else would then get demoted and push them back up. There were three or four drafts of the final grid and the whole thing was an absolute mess. So the FIA started prioritising drivers based on how much of qualifying they had completed (or attempted to complete) and issued penalties after qualifying, rather than from the time they were incurred.
 
prisonermonkeys
Not to mention a car that has been receiving engine updates. Toro Rosso knew that they would slide backwards because no work it being done on the 2015 Ferrari engine.
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That's a good point, and considering that the car he raced in and the person he was replaced with is regularly fighting for top five spots if not podiums, which probably hurts every race. These all probably play into his form.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
He was also driving a much faster car. Sainz barely made it into Q2 himself this race. I wont disagree that Kvyat doesn't seem to really have it since the move, but moving a driver nearly halfway through the season into a different car, that he isn't use to isn't always fun.
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True, Max Verstappen seems to be coping with his move, whereas DK is now getting beat by Sainz, DK must be looking over his shoulders.
Where is Vitaly Petrov these days?
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
That's a good point, and considering that the car he raced in and the person he was replaced with is regularly fighting for top five spots if not podiums, which probably hurts every race. These all probably play into his form.
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Sainz isn't doing much better than Kvyat - I think he was only two tenths of a second quicker in Q1.
 
What did I miss... Nico on Pole.... where is Lewis? Was he not able to get into Belgium or something?
 
prisonermonkeys
Sainz isn't doing much better than Kvyat - I think he was only two tenths of a second quicker in Q1.
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Yeah he was, I think Pascal messed up in Q2 and could have actually beat Sainz in the end, which just shows how off the TR is at power circuits.

Ryk
What did I miss... Nico on Pole.... where is Lewis? Was he not able to get into Belgium or something?
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Read the thread, or for TL;DR he has a 55 place grid penalty thus didn't bother.
 
Rosberg on pole.

I might be half a world away, but I am pretty sure that I can hear Johnny Herbert scratching his head trying to figure out why the guy in the fastest car is on pole, given that he's been talking up Ferrari, Red Bull and Force India all weekend.
 
Nice lap from Verstappen, tomorrow gonna be packed :D Hopefully Rbr and Ferrari gonna give Rosberg a run for his money even if he's on soft. Ricciardo might be his real contender. Exciting GP incoming :D​
 
I'm impressed by Ferrari today. Last year they were 1.5s dow and P9 with Vettel. Monza should be a good one, especially with that engine upgrade. Could be a double podium tomorrow.
 
MUSC4EVER
Am I the only one finding the whole thing confusing?!

Sky just showed a segment explaining how and why Hamilton ended up with all this and I'm still none the wiser....
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I don't watch Sky so I don't know what they said but it's actually quite simple.

You are only allowed to use x amount of each component. Once you install and run x+1 in the car, you get a 5 place penalty for each one but you can then use that x+1 component for the rest of the year without penalty. In other words if you use more than you're allowed to you're penalised, but only once. Not every time you use it.

What Mercedes have done is thus. They turned up with the car running components within their allocation. They changed them before FP1, and incurred the penalties. They then took those out for FP2 and put another new set in. Those new ones obviously go above their limit again, so more penalties. Repeat for FP3, and he's taken penalties three times even though he didn't actually need to replace stuff more than once. They did it on purpose so now he's free to use all three of those sets the rest of the season because he's already taken the penalty.
 
Samus
They did it on purpose so now he's free to use all three of those sets the rest of the season because he's already taken the penalty.
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Unless Mercedes upgrade the engine. There has been the suggestion that they have anothet update lined up for Suzuka, but to get it, Hamilton would need to take another penalty.
 
Kimi on form... Ferrari have told him he needs to get married before every race...

Lewis - He should play for the England Football team, he seems to be a real professional at taking penalties.
 
Would anybody be surprised if the men in white coats simply walked in, picked Johnny Herbert up and carried him away? Even Simon Lazenby seems to think he's lost it.
 
Samus
I don't watch Sky so I don't know what they said but it's actually quite simple.

You are only allowed to use x amount of each component. Once you install and run x+1 in the car, you get a 5 place penalty for each one but you can then use that x+1 component for the rest of the year without penalty. In other words if you use more than you're allowed to you're penalised, but only once. Not every time you use it.

What Mercedes have done is thus. They turned up with the car running components within their allocation. They changed them before FP1, and incurred the penalties. They then took those out for FP2 and put another new set in. Those new ones obviously go above their limit again, so more penalties. Repeat for FP3, and he's taken penalties three times even though he didn't actually need to replace stuff more than once. They did it on purpose so now he's free to use all three of those sets the rest of the season because he's already taken the penalty.
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That sounds actually completely fair to me, as every team can do it, it's just not a very sever penalty for something that should be allowed anyway to begin with.
Yes, it sounds like a loophole, but I'm not so sure, could just be FIA being FIA, too.

And if you're a money constraint team, you didn't have the resources to be a top dog anyhow.



So, umm, different subject, I didn't watch quali,
Rosberg
Kimi
Vettel
Verstappen
Riciardo


I suppose?
 
H20HYBRID_GT
That sounds actually completely fair to me, as every team can do it, it's just not a very sever penalty for something that should be allowed anyway to begin with.
Yes, it sounds like a loophole, but I'm not so sure, could just be FIA being FIA, too.

And if you're a money constraint team, you didn't have the resources to be a top dog anyhow.
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It's fair in the sense that anyone can do it, yes, but on the other hand you could say it's not fair on those teams with more reliable equipment. Unreliable teams are supposed to be punished by the penalties, and they are, but with this loophole they can compound them in one event rather than it being incremental each time they do it.

Whether a person agrees with the penalties for reliability in principle is another matter but as it is, they are definitely exploiting a loophole by replacing units that are brand new and don't need replacing.
 
Yeah, I agree with this in terms of it maybe not being quite fair with the current regulations, but that is the other question, why should less reliability be (artificially) punished for what is basically prototype race cars.
You kinda have to still be reliable, if you want to see the finish line. ;)
 
prisonermonkeys
Rosberg on pole.

I might be half a world away, but I am pretty sure that I can hear Johnny Herbert scratching his head trying to figure out why the guy in the fastest car is on pole, given that he's been talking up Ferrari, Red Bull and Force India all weekend.
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They always talk up the other teams to try and keep the viewers interested, Crofty does at least. If he's not blurting out silly out of context stats or talking about championship "momentum" he's pretending Ferrari are quicker than they are.
 
Peasantslayer
They always talk up the other teams to try and keep the viewers interested, Crofty does at least. If he's not blurting out silly out of context stats or talking about championship "momentum" he's pretending Ferrari are quicker than they are.
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Herbert just seems to be genuinely confused as to why the guy in the fastest car finishes the session fastest overall.
 
I'm dreading 2019 and those clowns being the only option. The Channel 4 coverage is so refreshing, typical C4 laid-back approach with ex-drivers that are actually charismatic, interesting and most importantly get on with the current drivers. You get the feeling Brundle is about the only one most drivers tolerate at Sky.
 

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