2016 Le Mans 24 Hours - 15th to 19th June 2016

Discussion in 'Motorsport' started by Furinkazen, Apr 30, 2016.

  1. FordGTGuy

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    Understanding how a waiver works is not bound by understanding the rules of GTE-PRO.

    "the act of choosing not to use or require something that you are allowed to have or that is usually required"

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/waiver

    But I'm sure I'll receive a personal insult for not knowing all the GTE-PRO rules.
     
  2. Furi

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    GTE rules state that there is a minimum production amount of cars per year. And some advice... @Holdenhsvgtsr does actually know a little more than you about this...
     
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  3. trustjab

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    Come on now, you seriously need to brush up on your facts. The brake by wire system was allowed by the rule makers, just the same as the rear wing. In fact, Audi and Porsche both copied Toyota and use that type of braking system. You come off snobbish yet you're ignorant on your facts. Then you spew bs like people are claiming Toyota is so brave and small. Well, their budget is. It's a quarter of what they spent in F1 per year ($300million-$75million).
     
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  4. Furi

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    To quote him from a conversation I once had with Michael J Fuller (mulsannecorner) ...

    "Toyota are ruled by accountants".
     
  5. RESHIRAM5

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    Budget doesn't make a team an underdog. While Audi has the money to make an OP car, the LMP1 regulations really hurt Audi's LMP1 production, you can see from multiple races since 2014 that Audi have been struggling to get to grips with the 2014 regulations.
     
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  6. trustjab

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    Yes, they hurt 'poor' Audi, who's won every LM except 3 in the past 14 years. Audi are the underdogs with a diesel engine that has 45% thermal efficiency and probably north of 800lb-ft of torque.
     
  7. CarBastard

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    Agreed. When you are inferior but have much more resources you're not an underdog, you're just doing something wrong.

    It's kinda odd saying that a team with a budget north of a hundred million is "an underdog", but by comparison it's definitely not a wrong label. Plus, you could say that they've only lost twice, one to Peugeot and one to Porsche, since that Bentley was basically an R8 EVO.

    Any official word on what was the failure on #5?
     
  8. MatskiMonk

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    Even ignoring the Bentley, Audi were beaten in 1999 by both BMW and Toyota.
     
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  9. RESHIRAM5

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    Remember I was using Bo's logic of the past not mattering so Audi's history wouldn't matter either.

    I think Audi has it's own plans on winning races as they are always reliability over speed and pace. However, not only has diesals been relatively nerfed but the new fuel flow regulation prevents Audi doing what it wants to do.

    Also Toyota's performance this year has already proved that they are threats and not underdogs, Them being pictured as inferior is very absurd to me, they stopped being underdogs after 2013. They've overtaken Audi in terms of performance.
     
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  10. jergto

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    Does anyone know what BoP the cars in LM GTE (Ford GT, Ferrari 488, C7.R) where hit with?
     
  11. Holdenhsvgtsr

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    I said to answer yes or no so again have you read the GTE regulations in full? yes or no?

    This isn't bullying it's to understand exactly how much you know.
     
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  12. ederss7

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    They had other problem detected at the time. If they played safe, they could avoid that failure. Toyota still don't know the best approach on how to Le Mans. Simple as that. It's not coincidence that they failed again to win Le Mans. Only Toyota fans will say that it's all about bad luck.
    Audi worst Le Mans ever: 3rd and 4th place.
    Toyota best Le Mans ever: 2nd and a retirement.
     
  13. R1600Turbo

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    You know I keep seeing people say this, and I don't think anyone saying it was watching the same race as the rest of us that disagree with you. Part failure be damned, if that car had made it another lap, nobody would be saying BS like that. They ran at the front for pretty much the whole damn race. Don't know the best approach...please.
     
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  14. ederss7

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    I wasn't talking about that failure. Their approach I'm taking about is some decisions taken during some specific scenaries. Just an example: Why Toyota didn't try to repair the #6 when Sarrazin was still complaining about how hard it was to drive? If he crashed the car? Then Toyota wouldn't even get a podium. That's not a good approach.
    Now look what Porsche did. They had a tyre issue but even in the very end of race they stop and change the tyres. What would Toyota do in this situation? Tell the driver to go flat out and screw the tyres?
     
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  15. Furi

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    The car wouldn't have made the final hour. Remember we did an hour under safety car.
     
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  16. Scuderia Paul

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    Pitting to change tyres is very different to bringing the car in to the garage to fix a broken floor when the Audi was 1 lap behind so they would have passed them anyway.

    If only the Safety Car had stayed out for one lap longer! The clock would have run down before the #5 had it's apparent turbo issue.

    Anyway, chins up and on to 6h Nurburgring for a Toyota win.
     
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    Call them bad decisions if you want, but in the final moments of the race they were the ones out front. And that's what it all comes down to.
    I already said that safety car period also could have hurt the reliability of the car. It could go either way.
     
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  18. ederss7

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    No. The Audis were several laps behind. Toyota had several minutes to fix the car.
     
  19. Skython

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    Why do you keep on using personal pronouns?
     
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  20. Jahgee

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    Plot twist, @Bo is that old guy you see crying in the video of the last lap
     
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  21. IforceV8

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    A interesting theory but what if the safety car(s) are what caused the issue in the first place? Putting around at speeds that a Prius was designed to run instead of a race speed cant be good for a race car. Add to that all of the extra time spent on the slow zone limiter putting stress on parts could have contributed to a parts failure. I dont know how they spend their time at a endurance testing session but I would bet they spend very little of it running around on a rev limiter.
     
  22. trustjab

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    No. The Toyota was only one lap ahead of the #8. You have your timeline messed up. Koby wasn't at fault for that damage either. I keep seeing this here and other forums. That damage was there from contact with a GTE earlier in the race. The performance wasn't all there, but it was made worse because Koby spun when he was catching the #2.

    Bring on Nurburgring. I wonder if Toyota will have the Spa/Silverstone package or run something with even more downforce?
     
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  23. RESHIRAM5

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    Does slowing down even do that? If the car can't handle Safety Car speed for 1 hour then Toyota deserved to lose, so I doubt it was because of Safety Car speed.
     
  24. IforceV8

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    Do what?
     
  25. RESHIRAM5

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    That hardly sounds right at slow speeds.
     
  26. IforceV8

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    Why?
     
  27. TDZdave

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    How junk would a car be that couldn't handle 100kph or less? You would be defecating in liters every time you made a pit stop,
     
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  28. FordGTGuy

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    This is a bad argument.

    All the teams agreed to waiver the rule to allow the Ford GT to compete and the League allowed it too, therefore they did not break any rules by participating. It's a terrible argument when the league who creates and enforces the rules have allowed it.

    Whether or not it breaks the rules "for you" means little to nothing and whether I have a full understanding of GTE-PRO rules also means little to nothing in regard to this.

    BTW before you say he knows more then me... well the people that run this league that allowed the Ford GT to participate know more about the rules than him.
     
  29. AnthonyD1993

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    Thanks for that, it was a great read and very informative. It helped clear some things up for me. I've been following this thread and some of the arguing makes sense to me now, I guess...:lol:
     
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