2016 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars 

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LMSCorvetteGT2
if he didn't see it because of view or watching another car to not hit them...then it really isn't his fault
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I don't see how he would have missed the cars parked in the gravel at the far end of the straight. That, at least, should have told him that something was wrong. Even if he wasn't aware of the red-and-yellow flags, he should have at least been able to guess that a yellow was in place.
 
Mark Dutton mentioned had he informed SVG sooner, it may have been avoidable.

"Red Bull team manager Mark Dutton confirmed to Speedcafe.com that Van Gisbergen was warned of the oil before arriving at the corner"

Well lookey here. That's not what he said on camera.
 
prisonermonkeys
I don't see how he would have missed the cars parked in the gravel at the far end of the straight. That, at least, should have told him that something was wrong. Even if he wasn't aware of the red-and-yellow flags, he should have at least been able to guess that a yellow was in place.
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Once again, let's go through this, if you potentially don't see a yellow flag but see cars off that doesn't mean you have to necessarily take an abundance of caution. Sure they're(cars) there in the trap, but he has no idea why that may be and thus if he doesn't see a yellow indicating it something he should take caution with outside of the norm then it really isn't his fault. However to me it seemed him and and Frosty were riding a different line that the oil covered more of, they both were going quite slow at that point in respect and SVG just touched a bit to much and cost him. Not because he was flying down like so bat out of hell with no care.

More importantly how were any of them to know there was oil on the track and thus needing to take abundantly more caution then just a normal wreck if the vantage angle didn't allow him to see the track side oil flag and/or yellow? Also even guessing wouldn't have mattered due to the line he and Frosty took compared to Davidson and Lowndes.


05XR8
Mark Dutton mentioned had he informed SVG sooner, it may have been avoidable.
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Thanks for this, considering as I said in my post before this I talk about how it could easily be the teams fault. PM you tend to want to go at the drivers, but there is a reason they have a team around them.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Once again, let's go through this, if you potentially don't see a yellow flag but see cars off that doesn't mean you have to necessarily take an abundance of caution. Sure they're(cars) there in the trap, but he has no idea why that may be and thus if he doesn't see a yellow indicating it something he should take caution with outside of the norm then it really isn't his fault. However to me it seemed him and and Frosty were riding a different line that the oil covered more of, they both were going quite slow at that point in respect and SVG just touched a bit to much and cost him. Not because he was flying down like so bat out of hell with no care.

More importantly how were any of them to know there was oil on the track and thus needing to take abundantly more caution then just a normal wreck if the vantage angle didn't allow him to see the track side oil flag and/or yellow? Also even guessing wouldn't have mattered due to the line he and Frosty took compared to Davidson and Lowndes.




Thanks for this, considering as I said in my post before this I talk about how it could easily be the teams fault. PM you tend to want to go at the drivers, but there is a reason they have a team around them.
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http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/04/03/svg-gutted-after-oil-spill-denies-victory/
I added a quote to my post. Dutton told Murphy that they will look to see how they can communicate better. Then, he says had he informed SVG, it would have been avoidable. Now, he says something else in the interview above.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Sure they're(cars) there in the trap, but he has no idea why that may be and thus if he doesn't see a yellow indicating it something he should take caution with outside of the norm then it really isn't his fault.
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If he's a racing driver who can't keep his eyes on the road, then he shouldn't be a racing driver.
 
Gotta say, Im loving the push and shove this year! Thats how tin top racing should be as long as it doesnt go too far ofcourse. It makes for some great viewing!

This year seems like its going to be great with 5 different race winners in 5 races (albeit they were all Holdens).

Congrats to Will, he proved me wrong this weekend doubting his abilities but lets see if he can continue this form.
 
prisonermonkeys
If he's a racing driver who can't keep his eyes on the road, then he shouldn't be a racing driver.
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No where does it say that, don't extrapolate utter trite, cause it's SVG. Also it's clear from your take on drivers and teams talking in F1 that you have a penchant for giving regulators and sporting bodies a massive break, when they don't necessarily deserve it.
 
4-5 laps to go, Charlie Whi...I mean race control, them race under green. The race would be called if they released the RCF.
 
05XR8
What's worse is, once Pither crashed his car in Adelaide, he had to use a spare chassis. That chassis being Jack Lebroq's DVS ride. :(
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PRA need 6 chassis for Phillip Island. Their options are repair Sunday's unexpected alterations or finish building the chassis they had planned for MW to debut this coming round. That was pushed back due to their Adelaide repair log.
If you were one of their DVS drivers, you'd be nervous.
 
Whats your thoughts on the safety car issue which became apparent during Symmons?

Its obviously an issue when A) theres an SC car that is stationary/slowly moving and B) theres an accident potentially with marshalls and drivers on the side of the track.

IMO, close the pits when the SC is out, then re-open once everyone is under the control of the safety car.

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Also some interesting stats to note this season:

Ford have had every pole position.
Holden have not topped any non-race sessions yet have won every single race.
All 5 races have been won by 5 different drivers so far.
 
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Dustone
Whats your thoughts on the safety car issue which became apparent during Symmons?

Its obviously an issue when A) theres an SC car that is stationary/slowly moving and B) theres an accident potentially with marshalls and drivers on the side of the track.

IMO, close the pits when the SC is out, then re-open once everyone is under the control of the safety car.
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Or Code 60, or VSC, or just ensure that no mashalls enter the track until cars are under control of the SC.

They seemed happy with double-waved yellows at the end of the race. As long as the SC waits for the leader on a straight, it shouldn't be an issue (famous last words).

Dustone
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Also some interesting stats to note this season:

Ford have had every pole position.
Holden have not topped any non-race sessions yet have won every single race.
All 5 races have been won by 5 different drivers so far.
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EDIT: I'm stupid. 4 of the 5 were T8 cars.
 
prisonermonkeys
If at first you don't succeed ... uh, legislate like hell to get out of it?

http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/04/07/v8-teams-weigh-up-retro-colours-for-sandown/
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I am big on this theme, I think it will be great for an otherwise as stated overshadowed event,

Though its not as simple for anyone to do as it is to say, everyone on the grid will need to get approval from all of the sponsors on the car, then the expense of adding a whole wrap, crew clothing etc, it will add up,

What will LDM do? They probably dont know who is going to be their sponsor by then, :lol:
 
TDZdave
I am big on this theme, I think it will be great for an otherwise as stated overshadowed event,

Though its not as simple for anyone to do as it is to say, everyone on the grid will need to get approval from all of the sponsors on the car, then the expense of adding a whole wrap, crew clothing etc, it will add up,

What will LDM do? They probably dont know who is going to be their sponsor by then, :lol:
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888 dont have history and they just did Brockies car for Lowndes.

I like the idea but it should be left for special occasions, maybe like every 5 years or so eg 60th anniversary, 65th etc etc.
 
R1600Turbo
I can't remember, did anything come of the teams trying to convince Ford America into funding them?
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Maybe this is it - Penske established an American presence in the sport, and now the Ford teams send the reigning champion over to further convince them.
 
prisonermonkeys
Maybe this is it - Penske established an American presence in the sport, and now the Ford teams send the reigning champion over to further convince them.
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Sounds plausible to me, I just remembered Roger is in V8s considering how quiet the first year for them was.
 

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