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Tired Tyres
Because prototypes have doors. That is why this idea would not work on a formula car.
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I have to wonder, how would radiator intakes work in a single-seater with doors? Would the doors have the intakes on them?
 
DK
I have to wonder, how would radiator intakes work in a single-seater with doors? Would the doors have the intakes on them?
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The current layout wouldn't work at all. It'd have to be designed from the ground up so there was actually space to place intakes.
 
It's more than just fenders though, that's just wheel coverings. What about the flat crap covering the suspension rods and what not? I see a bit of it but there's just more to it than that and my brain can't connect the two. You know how when you read something with letters missing but your brain fills in the blanks and you don't even notice the missing letters? My brain can't do that with this.
 
DesertPenguin09
It's more than just fenders though, that's just wheel coverings. What about the flat crap covering the suspension rods and what not? I see a bit of it but there's just more to it than that and my brain can't connect the two. You know how when you read something with letters missing but your brain fills in the blanks and you don't even notice the missing letters? My brain can't do that with this.
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What...? Okay let me explain.

That flat crap isn't covering the suspension, the wheel tethers aren't even the suspension. The suspension is located in the bulkhead of both F1 cars and (wait for it) Prototype sport cars. The wheel tethers are some of those flat carbon fiber, the other parts are suspension arms, the upper and lower wishbones. The shock and absorber aren't located in those at all, they sit in front of the driver under the body.

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prisonermonkeys
Ross Brawn has said that he wants to bring engine costs down to the point where an independent engine builder like Ilmor could enter the sport. But a lot of that will hinge on the final form of the 2021 regulations, and even then, it would be a risk to pin their hopes on a new entrant - especially if there's hybrid technology involved.
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I hate continuity. But it would be interesting to have independent engine suppliers back or having a go.

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DesertPenguin09
I can't picture that. Same with how people say an LMP1 car is an F1 car with fenders. I just don't see it.
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If you imagine an LMP1 with the fenders removed and the cockpit narrowed (LMPs technically still need space for a Co driver) that's what a closed cockpit F1 would look like.

With the bodywork rear of the driver removed, the similarities are obvious
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Tired Tyres
Because prototypes have doors. That is why this idea would not work on a formula car.
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Fair point and I think someone else replied with the same.

But my original point remains. If that's the holdup, then why not rethink driver extraction for situations in which the car is upside down? Just becasue the current cars don't have "doors", does it mean they could not have doors?

I agree with the overall sentiment that a band-aid solution with something tacked onto the current cars is not the right approach.

Likely that there needs to be an overall design rethink for the incorporation of a completely enclosed cockpit.
 
RX-7_FD3S
A cool comparaison between China and Bahrain front wing for Ferrari :

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They added a third element cool. The entire wing is still the same shape overall and even with the smaller individual pieces. It seems they either shortened or enlarged certain parts of it.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
They added a third element cool. The entire wing is still the same shape overall and even with the smaller individual pieces. It seems they either shortened or enlarged certain parts of it.
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Yeah looks like an optimization of airflow and a bit more downforce seeing the angle of some of the winglets ? Angle is slightly different so not sure about the downforce argument.
 
RX-7_FD3S
Yeah looks like an optimization of airflow and a bit more downforce seeing the angle of some of the winglets ? Angle is slightly different so not sure about the downforce argument.
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Winglet angle looks the same, it's orientation of the two photos, one is on the car during a drive, the other is a typical Thursday photo for when teams are setting up for the weekend and the parts aren't even attached to the car yet.

The third element to me looks to be added for more downforce though.
 
I'm watching F1 Paddock Pass on the YouTube channel F1 Interviews. It's NBCSN's Will Buxton though so anyway...

He's starting his interview with Max Verstappen and says this, "It looks now that you're gonna be having a bit of an update for Barcelona way earlier than expected."

Well that's good to here. Right now they're best is 5th and 6th unless something happens to the guys in front (Merc and Ferrari)
 
DesertPenguin09
I'm watching F1 Paddock Pass on the YouTube channel F1 Interviews. It's NBCSN's Will Buxton though so anyway...

He's starting his interview with Max Verstappen and says this, "It looks now that you're gonna be having a bit of an update for Barcelona way earlier than expected."

Well that's good to here. Right now they're best is 5th and 6th unless something happens to the guys in front (Merc and Ferrari)
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They're set for a power unit update and aero parts from what I recall reading on RBR's time frame.
 
Yea they need the power. I read earlier today that McLaren is an estimated 100HP down so yea that's like GP2 like Alonso said. I really hope they get sorted just for the own legacy's sake.
 
DesertPenguin09
Yea they need the power. I read earlier today that McLaren is an estimated 100HP down so yea that's like GP2 like Alonso said. I really hope they get sorted just for the own legacy's sake.
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Yes but they're 100 down by choice, they have that 100hp they choose not to use it due to an engineering problem that they haven't fixed. An engineering problem (as I predicted in the testing thread) so big, that they are planning on a b spec engine supposedly later this year.

also you can't say it's like a GP2 engine, cause even with 100hp down if it were running at the other numbers it should be, it'd still far out pace a GP2 engine. Remember these engines are said to be at or slightly above a 1000hp with everything combined.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-hopes-new-spec-engine-will-cure-vibration-issues-893162/
http://www.thedrive.com/start-finish/9202/mclaren-honda-f1-team-may-test-new-engine-in-bahrain
 
I figured they hadn't got the hybrid stuff working well so they weren't getting that power either. It's interesting how they can be like this in F1 but in Indy things are so different.
 
DesertPenguin09
I figured they hadn't got the hybrid stuff working well so they weren't getting that power either. It's interesting how they can be like this in F1 but in Indy things are so different.
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Well things are different in Indy cause they haven't changed the engine much since bringing it out. This 2017 F1 engine is ground up different engine than the last two.

They're recovery system supposedly isn't the best either, but that's not why they're down a 100hp. The articles in my last post explain why if you missed it during pre-season testing.
 
What was Honda like when they first started this generation of Indycar? Similar to the last few years and this year?
 
DesertPenguin09
What was Honda like when they first started this generation of Indycar? Similar to the last few years and this year?
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Fine, just had small teams that were horrible to use for factory purposes but they were decent in the spec aero era. Their biggest problem was not having the brains to come up with a decent aero kit (speedway one seeming better) when those rules came into effect in 2015. They've been hit or miss, but with Ganassi on their side they're better now.
 
catamount39
Fine, just had small teams that were horrible to use for factory purposes but they were decent in the spec aero era. Their biggest problem was not having the brains to come up with a decent aero kit (speedway one seeming better) when those rules came into effect in 2015. They've been hit or miss, but with Ganassi on their side they're better now.
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Yeah I figured it was aero package they were crap at, I remember hearing how GM had an unfair advantage, never heard much about the engine being bad or not. Glad you cleared it up.
 
The 2012 Honda Indy engine was a single turbo vs the Chevrolet twin turbo and they struggled with it until they changed to a twin turbo. The new updated 2017 spec Honda seems to have a slight HP advantage over the bowties right now but I would expect to see a updated Chevy at Indy.
 
It will never happen.

They also want to introduce Fanboost and change the format of a Grand Prix weekend, do hopefully it never happens.
 

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