2021 FIA Series Race Discussion

[Roman_GT23]

Welp. Going to do a quick recap.

Heading into this I did 0 practice (mostly because I was on the fence for doing this race

Slot 1: Landed in top split (joy). Because I did no practice and saw tire wear was pretty high I with a car I know well, the 911 RSR. Qualified towards the back as expected but with some shenanigans happening wound up 10th

Slot 2: Tried the Audi this time for giggles. Needless to say for me it was a failed experiment. My qualy was better but around lap 7 the car was getting edgy on me to the point I was losing confidence in the car. Finished towards the back

Slot 3: Decided for a depleted 1st split I went back to the Porsche. I truly felt it was a better car towards the end of the race, especially if I needed to defend. I screwed up qualy by getting a penalty at raddion. Started towards the back. While everyone went inside on T1, I gambled and went outside hoping to not be on the receiving end of a dive bomb gone wrong. I gained 4 places just heading into Eau Rouge. Then slowly made my way up the field and eventually found myself 5th....... Run away..... Like right now!

 

[D_Dragline]

BMW? Yes, no match for the "top tier". I mean: @Mistah_MCA is fast as hell and he just let me pass him, 'cause no point.

From what I've seen:

Tier 1
Chevrolet	McLaren	Citroën	Honda
Tier 2
Lamborghini	Mercedes-Benz	Renault Sport	Dodge	Jaguar
Tier 3
Audi	Ferrari	BMW	Hyundai	Lexus	Ford	Mitsubishi	Mazda	Volkswagen	Nissan	Subaru	Aston Martin
Tier 4
Porsche	Alfa Romeo	Peugeot	Toyota

Out of those the only one I'm not so sure about are Nissan & Lexus. They seemed to follow each other around and to be fair in a different "group" from the other Tier 3 cars, but I didn't see many of those, so it's hard to tell.

This is pretty much exactly right (my earlier post mixed up the Merc and the Honda)

The only difference I would have is to separate tier 4 and the place the 4C and RCZ in tier 5. They are rank.

The full list of my BoP'd lap times for BMB in Group 4 for those playing at home.

CitroenGT	48.274
650S	48.327
NSX	48.374
Corvette	48.399
Viper	48.651
SLS	48.715
F-Type	48.798
Huracan	49.071
Lancer	49.146
WRX	49.182
RCF	49.243
86	49.346
Scirocco	49.382
Slophy	49.499
Atenza	49.546
Cayman	49.552
Mustang	49.636
M4	49.659
458	49.681
TT	49.834
Vantage	49.840
Genesis	49.891
GTR	49.974
Megane	50.074
4C	51.097
RCZ	51.189

 

[GTWolverine]

Welp. Going to do a quick recap.

Heading into this I did 0 practice (mostly because I was on the fence for doing this race

Slot 1: Landed in top split (joy). Because I did no practice and saw tire wear was pretty high I with a car I know well, the 911 RSR. Qualified towards the back as expected but with some shenanigans happening wound up 10th

Slot 2: Tried the Audi this time for giggles. Needless to say for me it was a failed experiment. My qualy was better but around lap 7 the car was getting edgy on me to the point I was losing confidence in the car. Finished towards the back

Slot 3: Decided for a depleted 1st split I went back to the Porsche. I truly felt it was a better car towards the end of the race, especially if I needed to defend. I screwed up qualy by getting a penalty at raddion. Started towards the back. While everyone went inside on T1, I gambled and went outside hoping to not be on the receiving end of a dive bomb gone wrong. I gained 4 places just heading into Eau Rouge. Then slowly made my way up the field and eventually found myself 5th....... Run away..... Like right now!

I probably should've used the Porsche as well. I'd done all my practice in the Mercedes, but in Top Split it was a definite no-go, so I went with everyone else and tried the Audi, which I was almost immediately faster with in FP, but I lacked confidence in it in the race because of how skittish it was, especially later in the race. I'd had almost no practice with the Porsche and just decided to try to git gud with the Audi, but that never really happened...

 

[KosmoKazi]

I probably should've used the Porsche as well. I'd done all my practice in the Mercedes, but in Top Split it was a definite no-go, so I went with everyone else and tried the Audi, which I was almost immediately faster with in FP, but I lacked confidence in it in the race because of how skittish it was, especially later in the race. I'd had almost no practice with the Porsche and just decided to try to git gud with the Audi, but that never really happened...

The Mercs seemed really slow off the corners, when I encountered the few I saw.

Whenever there is a choice to use the RSR, I go with it... I just know it better and can be much more consistent. It's tended to work in my favor, with a win at Dragon Trail, against a field of META Toyotas, and other instances where come race time, it's just so handy. I'm sure in more competitive splits above mine, the META becomes more important, but where driver errors still abound and determine the results after the podium spots, I'll always feel more confident in the car I know best. And the Porsche is such a good all-rounder.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

BMW? Yes, no match for the "top tier". I mean: @Mistah_MCA is fast as hell and he just let me pass him, 'cause no point.

My M4 is so slow at BMB, I even got lapped at one point by a McLaren. 😂

 

[TheWeapon874]

This is pretty much exactly right (my earlier post mixed up the Merc and the Honda)

The only difference I would have is to separate tier 4 and the place the 4C and RCZ in tier 5. They are rank.

The full list of my BoP'd lap times for BMB in Group 4 for those playing at home.

CitroenGT	48.274
650S	48.327
NSX	48.374
Corvette	48.399
Viper	48.651
SLS	48.715
F-Type	48.798
Huracan	49.071
Lancer	49.146
WRX	49.182
RCF	49.243
86	49.346
Scirocco	49.382
Slophy	49.499
Atenza	49.546
Cayman	49.552
Mustang	49.636
M4	49.659
458	49.681
TT	49.834
Vantage	49.840
Genesis	49.891
GTR	49.974
Megane	50.074
4C	51.097
RCZ	51.189

Wow, that's very valuable..... Thankyou! Best I could do in the Genesis was a 49.3, but that is still way off the pace. I'm going to try a lobby tonight and see if I can stay in my friend's slipstream in the NSX.....my guess is no.....

 

[D_Dragline]

Wow, that's very valuable..... Thankyou! Best I could do in the Genesis was a 49.3, but that is still way off the pace. I'm going to try a lobby tonight and see if I can stay in my friend's slipstream in the NSX.....my guess is no.....

I should have mentioned that I only did 2 laps in each car, so each and every one will do better than these times (and I may have been a few tenths slower than expected in the ones I don't drive much), but overall they give a good comparison based on what I've seen in lobbies.

You absolutely will not be able to stay in slip of the NSX. It will be gone by the end of lap 1.

My tip is that the Corvette will turn out to be meta. It has lower mid corner pace so negates the advantage of the other 3 top tier cars as they will have to slow down behind it. It will then leave them in the dust between turns 1 and 3.

 

[Hoani Tuati]

BMW? Yes, no match for the "top tier". I mean: @Mistah_MCA is fast as hell and he just let me pass him, 'cause no point.

From what I've seen:

Tier 1
Chevrolet	McLaren	Citroën	Honda
Tier 2
Lamborghini	Mercedes-Benz	Renault Sport	Dodge	Jaguar
Tier 3
Audi	Ferrari	BMW	Hyundai	Lexus	Ford	Mitsubishi	Mazda	Volkswagen	Nissan	Subaru	Aston Martin
Tier 4
Porsche	Alfa Romeo	Peugeot	Toyota

Out of those the only one I'm not so sure about are Nissan & Lexus. They seemed to follow each other around and to be fair in a different "group" from the other Tier 3 cars, but I didn't see many of those, so it's hard to tell.

As one of those not expected to excel (I am a Porsche driver), I don't really care. I race as often as I can, in the cars I want to drive, and take the results as they come. That's called real life, isn't it?

 

[PhlebMike]

One and done at Spa on Saturday. Quick recap.
Door 2 Quali P1 (Yaay!)
Get a quick away and turn at the hairpin (Yaay!) the forget about having cold tires at Radion and get a track limit pen.(booo!)
Pull out a good lead on the first lap so the penalty isn't much effect(Yaay!) but the guy behind is properly rapid and do the smart thing and let him by (Boo!)
After that, I get rattled by a guy bumping me on the back straight into Bus stop and when I make the hairpin, I hit the gas too soon and spin myself into the wall, losing 2 more places. Then, the tires dropped off around lap 7(I was in the Merc) and I'm down about 2.5 seconds per lap, since I didn't practice that.(derrr) Lose a couple more spots and end P6. I guess it could have been worse, but I should have practiced more. Oh well....

 

[crusselz]

@Seth_Logan and @D_Dragline thanks for the awesome info.
Managed to get a 49.0 in the Atenza, but definitely not a round that will favour it.

Kudos to the drivers in the top 10, who are only one or two tenths off the top times, but unlike the top 3 or more, didn't wall ride.
EDIT: The two A+ drivers in the top 10 are the only exceptions to wall riding.

Hopefully there won't be any wall riding in race. Will jump in just for the heck of it. On the off chance, there will be no more than 6 "tier 1" cars and the rest of us can try race for a top 10.

 

[MCL1974]

@Seth_Logan and @D_Dragline thanks for the awesome info.
Managed to get a 49.0 in the Atenza, but definitely not a round that will favour it.

Kudos to the drivers in the top 10, who are only one or two tenths off the top times, but unlike the top 3 or more, didn't wall ride.
EDIT: The two A+ drivers in the top 10 are the only exceptions to wall riding.

Hopefully there won't be any wall riding in race. Will jump in just for the heck of it. On the off chance, there will be no more than 6 "tier 1" cars and the rest of us can try race for a top 10.

I think wallriding in the race might actually be too risky to do, do it wrong and you will get a penalty.

plus, anyone i see wallriding has a target on its vehicle. I will dedicate all my time to make his existence on track a miserable one. no more mr. nice guy....

 

[Seth_Logan]

I should have mentioned that I only did 2 laps in each car, so each and every one will do better than these times (and I may have been a few tenths slower than expected in the ones I don't drive much), but overall they give a good comparison based on what I've seen in lobbies.

You absolutely will not be able to stay in slip of the NSX. It will be gone by the end of lap 1.

My tip is that the Corvette will turn out to be meta. It has lower mid corner pace so negates the advantage of the other 3 top tier cars as they will have to slow down behind it. It will then leave them in the dust between turns 1 and 3.

That is spot on! The Corvette was a pain in mid corners each time I wanted to fly past them in corners. And you can't really jump them on the straight because of their awesome pull. Qualifying ahead of them is key to drop them in a corner or pit differently from them.

 

[D_Dragline]

It keeps getting worse. I have started testing with fuel consumption on. The Corvette is one of the most frugal cars and gains a massive 9 second advantage over the Citroen just in refueling time. Once I’ve done them all I’ll provide projected overall race gaps for each car. Might be a target for those of us in the uncompetitive marques.

 

[MidnightRun85]

It keeps getting worse. I have started testing with fuel consumption on. The Corvette is one of the most frugal cars and gains a massive 9 second advantage over the Citroen just in refueling time. Once I’ve done them all I’ll provide projected overall race gaps for each car. Might be a target for those of us in the uncompetitive marques.

In what universe is a V8-powered Corvette a "frugal" car. #pdlogic.

 

[GTWolverine]

It keeps getting worse. I have started testing with fuel consumption on. The Corvette is one of the most frugal cars and gains a massive 9 second advantage over the Citroen just in refueling time. Once I’ve done them all I’ll provide projected overall race gaps for each car. Might be a target for those of us in the uncompetitive marques.

I told y'all the Citroen was secretly awful! It also destroys its tires more than the other cars too. It's gonna be Corvette vs. McLaren for the win. From what I saw the NSX is still down about 3 mph (~5kph) at the end of the front straight on the Corvette and McLaren.

 

[Geauxgreddy]

I told y'all the Citroen was secretly awful! It also destroys its tires more than the other cars too. It's gonna be Corvette vs. McLaren for the win. From what I saw the NSX is still down about 3 mph (~5kph) at the end of the front straight on the Corvette and McLaren.

Yup. The NSX can hang if the front runners are fuel saving. But, it falls off at the slightest error or at an extended fuel stint.

 

[GTWolverine]

I really need to get some practice racing in the pack since I'll likely be stuck with the aliens this time (or hope they're not good at oval racing). I've been able to drop the field after the first pit stop every practice race I've done so far, even against other Corvettes and McLarens.

 

[Trone_Colby]

This is pretty much exactly right (my earlier post mixed up the Merc and the Honda)

The only difference I would have is to separate tier 4 and the place the 4C and RCZ in tier 5. They are rank.

The full list of my BoP'd lap times for BMB in Group 4 for those playing at home.

CitroenGT	48.274
650S	48.327
NSX	48.374
Corvette	48.399
Viper	48.651
SLS	48.715
F-Type	48.798
Huracan	49.071
Lancer	49.146
WRX	49.182
RCF	49.243
86	49.346
Scirocco	49.382
Slophy	49.499
Atenza	49.546
Cayman	49.552
Mustang	49.636
M4	49.659
458	49.681
TT	49.834
Vantage	49.840
Genesis	49.891
GTR	49.974
Megane	50.074
4C	51.097
RCZ	51.189

So is there a chance with the WRX? Idk if I wanna run knowing a lot will skip and I end up in the room full of the top tiers.

 

[SpeedStarGTS]

So sad to see the state of this game right now. Almost deleted it after today's awful experience but I don't want to make rash and extreme decisions.

Might get into league racing where the word "racing" still means something

My last hope is a complete reworking of the penalty/collision system for GT7, if not, I won't waste any more time and energy into Sport Mode. But I love simracing and will still enjoy it one way or another!

It's The Exhibition series, last season of FiaGTC before Gran Turismo 7, so ppl pretty much throw caution out to the wind sadly -_-

 

[GTWolverine]

So is there a chance with the WRX? Idk if I wanna run knowing a lot will skip and I end up in the room full of the top tiers.

No chance. It'll get dropped from the lead pack immediately. It'll be better than the worst cars like the 4C, but that's not saying much...

 

[D_Dragline]

As promised, here’s a list of the race time handicaps accounting for lap time differences and refueling. It doesn’t include tyre degradation changes or slipstream.

Scratch: 650s, Corvette
+3secs: NSX
+6: Citroen
+10: SLS
+11: Viper
+15: F-Type
+16: Lancer
+18: Huracan
+21: Slophy
+22: WRX
+23: 86
+24: Scirocco
+27: RCF
+30: Cayman, Atenza
+33: 458, Mustang
+36: M4
+38: Genesis
+41: Megane, Vantage, TT
+43: GTR
+1:01: 4C
+1:10: RCZ

Special shout out to anyone who tries this in the 4C. Not only is it glacial, but it is also a first turn death trap after about 4 laps.

 

[OJBrit]

It seems I mixed my weeks up a month ago. It is next week I am missing. Very unsure whether to run this at all. Sure I won't be at the top but you never know what can happen. Some cars are worse and there is always potential others will spin out, quit and get strategy horribly wrong. A top 12 is certainly a possibility...

 

[sturk0167]

Zero sympathy for the FF cars at BMB.
They're usually the bullies, so it's nice to see that they can't keep up.

 

[MCL1974]

It seems I mixed my weeks up a month ago. It is next week I am missing. Very unsure whether to run this at all. Sure I won't be at the top but you never know what can happen. Some cars are worse and there is always potential others will spin out, quit and get strategy horribly wrong. A top 12 is certainly a possibility...

I think i will try it just for the heck of it, the practice races were a lot of fun. (except for seeing Seth Logan drive into the sunset 😁)
Not sure that I will get a good result, also suck at fuel saving, but had three good scores in the previous races, so a bad score won't be the end of the world.

You're Toyota is a midfielder but you are a good and smart driver so think you could do well here. Much depends on the rest of the cars in the lobby though; if there are 10 McLarens en 9 Chevy's then quickly hit the panic button!

 

[Trone_Colby]

Yep. Rip Subaru. A bad time to try this manufacturer.

 

[xxPinkyKissxx]

As promised, here’s a list of the race time handicaps accounting for lap time differences and refueling. It doesn’t include tyre degradation changes or slipstream.

Scratch: 650s, Corvette
+3secs: NSX
+6: Citroen
+10: SLS
+11: Viper
+15: F-Type
+16: Lancer
+18: Huracan
+21: Slophy
+22: WRX
+23: 86
+24: Scirocco
+27: RCF
+30: Cayman, Atenza
+33: 458, Mustang
+36: M4
+38: Genesis
+41: Megane, Vantage, TT
+43: GTR
+1:01: 4C
+1:10: RCZ

Special shout out to anyone who tries this in the 4C. Not only is it glacial, but it is also a first turn death trap after about 4 laps.

Yeah i'd say that seems pretty accurate. Did a couple of custom races and in the Corvette i was 8 seconds quicker overall than the SLS.

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

As promised, here’s a list of the race time handicaps accounting for lap time differences and refueling. It doesn’t include tyre degradation changes or slipstream.

Scratch: 650s, Corvette
+3secs: NSX
+6: Citroen
+10: SLS
+11: Viper
+15: F-Type
+16: Lancer
+18: Huracan
+21: Slophy
+22: WRX
+23: 86
+24: Scirocco
+27: RCF
+30: Cayman, Atenza
+33: 458, Mustang
+36: M4
+38: Genesis
+41: Megane, Vantage, TT
+43: GTR
+1:01: 4C
+1:10: RCZ

Special shout out to anyone who tries this in the 4C. Not only is it glacial, but it is also a first turn death trap after about 4 laps.

Well...I'm happy to see the SLS near the top...

One thing has me concerned though - people are rubbing the walls again, in the practice times at least... I hope it's fixed in quali and during the race...though I very much doubt it will be.

 

[MCL1974]

Well...I'm happy to see the SLS near the top...

One thing has me concerned though - people are rubbing the walls again, in the practice times at least... I hope it's fixed in quali and during the race...though I very much doubt it will be.

PD will not fix it, they do not care and had many chances in the past to fix it and never bothered to.

The majority of players will not do it as i think most like to race fair...

I tried wallriding a few laps (to know the enemy, have no intention to do it in a race! ) and second lap already gave me a 3 second penalty. so I thinknk it might be risky to do in a race
plus i am sure many will have the same attitude as me: If i see some one wallriding in my race i will hunt them down and will do all possible to take them out. (picture that last part being narrated by Liam Neeson)

 

[NekoPufferPPP]

PD will not fix it, they do not care and had many chances in the past to fix it and never bothered to.

Oh they've fixed it recently actually, in that Gr.1 time trial on BMB Infield a while ago. Touching the wall gave you a penalty instantly, and grinding it gave you over 30 seconds of penalties.

Not sure why it doesn't work this time...

 

[GTWolverine]

After racing @Geauxgreddy last night, I have to take back what I said about not fuel saving. Constantly fiddling with fuel settings at a track where you ALWAYS need the radar on is a pain though.