24 Hour NURBURGRING DONE! 202 Laps... / Plus 24Hr TIPS and TACTICS from a survivor

Discussion in 'GT4 Race Reports' started by aznicerckt, Jun 2, 2005.

  1. aznicerckt

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    Finally! I've completed the nurburgring nordschliefe 24 hour, all A-spec.

    Did it in a new Woodone GT500 Supra. Stock power, just tuning. RSH tires always. Averaged 5 laps per set of tires, usually in the 7.00 range for full fuel load, and cold/ or really hot tires. Or in the 6:45-6:50 range for warm tires with a lighter fuel load. Best lap was 6:40.55. Keep in mind I never shot for a best lap with fuel/pit strategies.

    In end I did 202 laps, in a total time of 24:06.xx.xx . Saved replay data, but I'm too lazy to look it up. Based on some simple math:

    7 Minutes, 16 Seconds Average Per Lap, Including All Pit Stops

    2615.9 Miles Traveled, (Also confirmed by the Vehicle Mileage, which includes 5-10 miles of tuning/practice laps)

    This equates to an OVERALL VEHICLE SPEED, (Including all pit stops!), of 109 MPH for the entire 24+ hours... !

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    The vehicle held up superiorly well. After the race, the Oil Light still was not on, and the vehicle power only dropped to 486HP. It initially starts at 500+HP, and drops to 495HP after only 4-5 laps (which I know from several restarts).

    The opposing field included...

    2) Audi ABT TT-R, finished down 7 laps

    3) BMW M3 GT-R, finished down 12 laps

    4) Audi A4 Touring Car
    5) ASL Garaiya
    6) Toyota GT300 Autobacs MR-S

    I did over 40 restarts to compete with BOTH the M3 GT-R, and Audi TT-R. The Audi sustained LONG lap sets, usually 7-8 laps between pits, and the M3 fared well with 5-6 lap sets between pits.

    TIPS TO FINISH A 24 HOUR A-SPEC

    1. More then ever, power is not everything! And, power is nothing without control! It is the nurburgring north loop. Vehicle selection and tuning is critical.

    2. Do not pick a street car. The chassis will simply fall apart after 12 hours and several crashes, which WILL OCCUR often. Also, downforce is key. I maxed the downforce on the Woodone Supra, which although wore the tires quickly, maximized high-speed stability, especially over bumps.

    3. Balance! Pick a well balanced 500-600HP race car to do this endurance. All the GT500 cars, and DTM cars are excellent. IMO, LeMans and Prototypes (Minolta 88C-V, Nissan R89, R92), are simply WAY, WAY too powerful. Even the Audi R8 is a hassle to drive, it takes a lot of energy and focus. You may lap marginally faster per lap, in the low 6 minute range, but at the cost of energy and focus, much more important then the cost of pitting often. To my next point:

    4. Pitting in the North Loop circuit is FAST! Do not hesitate to pit often to help tire wear, and to always have a safe fuel load. Don't run out of fuel on hour 23! The easiest way to exit the pit smoothly is to hold the brakes on exit, and downshift immediately to 2nd gear, and turn left full lock.

    5. Picture in picture! Without this neat TV feature, I would have never survived the race. Basically, after 10-12 hours, you should be able to lap the north loop with your eyes closed (well not really), but, it is really easy, even without the sound on, and possibly on a small screen (with the TV in PIP mode). I waste my money on gadgets, so on my 60" widescreen, it is no problem.

    Use this PIP to your advantage, to rid the boredom. This is the most important part in completing the Nurburgring 24 hour endurance. I watched the NBA playoffs, Golf Tournemants, even F1 races and some GT racing on SpeedChannel.

    My point is, do anything to 'multitask'. Call a friend on the phone, or watch another channel, or even movie silmultaneously. Without this, you would be really lucky (or determined) to survive a 24-hour.

    6. Use your fascination with the Ring! I am obsessed with the Nurburgring, for its historical roots and great advances it has provided in racing and street-cars. I now know every turn's name by heart, so I practically could drive the north loop in real life, and say the turn names. There are multitudes of service roads, and watch towers, signs, and interesting graffiti that you start to LEARN and MEMORIZE once you have lapped over 100 times. I can tell you every place on the north loop that says " 'heart' BRITTA" , with a heart symbol, nearly 10 times on the track. Interesting... maybe. Psychotic... well yes.

    7. Use your GT-friends to your advantage! My nutty little group of track/tuning buddies all play GT4, so nevertheless whenever I'm not at work, I would be here playing, usually with a friend. Trading off in 20-30 minute sessions while talking about cars and racing really kills time fast. I did one 4 hour session while watching 5-6 best motoring and option dvds with a friend. Piece of cake. Doing a 30 minute session alone was more tiring.

    Even an inexperienced driver can do an 8 minute lap EASY, and figuring the 2nd positioned car laps an average of 7 minutes, it would take 8 laps minimum for the 2nd placed car to gain back a one lap position. Hence, I would not let a friend who is inexperienced do some laps unless you have a +5 Laps completed position on the 2nd place car. This will come after 10 hours or so if you drive well, or depending on your competitors.

    8. Restart the race many times! I don't mean start, drive, and then exit, but rather enter the race to see opponents, and exit if you want another set. It does not count against race winning percentage. You can get an extraordinarily easy easy field, of 300hp race cars, which makes the enduro even easier, with less pressure to lap quickly to maintain a good lead (remember, PIP).

    9. Drive the proper line! Contrary to popular belief, doing 50 laps in the ring will not teach you the proper line. Many turns are fastest off-line, and run-offs and marbles are strategically placed to increase speeds. In particular, after the first Carousel, this section requires precision driving, but is SO SO entertaining if taken perfectly. A great way to learn the line is to download the video of Hans Stuck lapping the Nurburgring Nordschliefe in the M3 GT-R. Please don't ask me where to find it, I really don't know, I sourced it a long time ago. BMW motorsport should have it online still, as well as fastdrive.org, and other racing video sites.

    Hans first does a lap through the new nurburgring, and connects onto the northloop. In the entire video, he is passing traffic, as it is a public day on the north loop, and on the new circuit. He still drives a perfect line, and takes the car to the edge every time, using every run off. He FLIES by a red race porsche 911 on his way into the Adndlngewhatever Forest. Awesome stuff. HJ Stuck actually completed a 24hour at the north loop in the M3 GT-R, which is a winning car at the north loop, which I also specifically restarted the race many times to compete against.

    Also notice Hans Joham Stuck has 'autographed' the ring many times, it says H.J. Stuck in graffiti many times.

    10. Count Laps, Not Time! If possible, put a piece of paper taped over the overall time counter on the upper-right hand corner. The first 12 hours are livable, but each remaining hour after seems as long as all the prior combined. Hours 17-20 were particullarly difficult for me, but after hour 20, it was more or less gung-ho to the end. Counting laps, figuring an average of 200 laps in 24 hours, gives a much more attainable and realistic goal. Do laps in 20 lap sets, or even just 10 laps. That was easier for me then doing say... a 3 hour session, or a 2 hour session. Watching the clock just prolongs the process.

    11. Vehicle selection again. My advice is go with a rear-drive only. Front and AWD will wear tires quickly, and extra weight of AWD is a burden when you are doing 200 laps. Most race cars are RWD anyway.

    12. THE REWARD. The reward for this race was my motivating factor. The F1 car. 550KG. 900 HP. 7-Speed. The car simply rips. I have no shame in using it, since I won it, entirely A-Spec. B-Spec'ers are not cheaters by my books, but getting the F1 car B-Spec, then using it to beat the whole game... now there is no fun in that. Plus over 1 million credits as well. Also, you will theoretically (in GT4 world), have a race car that not only competed, but WON in a 24 Hour LeMans, at the nurburgring. Wish my WoodOne Supra showed exhaust burns and endurance race wear. Oh well.

    13. Time. Plan to have your PS2 on for a long time. Atleast a week if you are hardcore. I work nearly 60 hours a week, so it took me close to 4 weeks to complete. I kept my PS2 in an open area, generally always cool, and it seemed to have no problems. Anxiety from fear of a power-outtage or power surge really starts to kick in after hour 15 or so. I almost used my computer's battery backup/surge protector before I started the race, given the choice now, I probably would. One surge, or quick out-on, which happens with my power a lot, will lose all progress.

    Remember from my other thread, that I started the 24 hour once, to have my progress demolished by none other then... my cat! He stepped on the controller like he always does when playing with it, and I had it paused on hour 8-9. Half a day passed and I was over 20 laps down, which is impossible to recover from.

    Inform others! Tell your roommates to NOT TOUCH the PS2! People often see a paused game and will turn it off. If you live at home, tell your parents to leave the ps2 alone. Shiny blue lights probably really bother moms when they are cleaning the home before nightfall. They will turn it off!

    I left a post-it on top of my PS2 and told all my roommates in advance as well. I also unplugged the controller between lapping sessions, to make sure my pets wouldn't unpause the game, or to make sure someone wouldn't just pick up and start playing (and losing).

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    Lastly, my advice is, take caution in embarking on other enduros, particullarly the 24 hour sarthe races. Yes I know it is the current le mans... yes the mulsanne is oh-so cool (chicanes blow IMO, Derek Bell would prob agree, who has been clocked doing 246MPH down the mulsanne in a porsche 956, equiv to say a nissan r89 in power/weight etc).

    The Ring is an interesting, interesting, LONG track. It takes over 10 laps to start feeling repetitive, and fatigue kicks in usually around, or before then. Even the 9 hour race at tsukuba would be 100 times more boring then the 24 hour Nurburgring endurance, simply because each lap is so short.

    And I'd like to chime in on the ring. Its clearly the fascination of GT4 and Forza (mine too). There is a great article in this months CAR magazine (U.K. magazine) with the new M6 on the cover. This opinion article brings back in perspective what a holy grail the north loop is to racing enthusiasts everywhere. In its life, the north loop has unofficially taken hundreds of lives. In one accident, a porsche engineer crashed so severely, the 911's flat-6 engine was found over a metal barrier, several hundred yards in another part of the track. Point being, even if you lap the north loop in under 6 minutes in the Polyphony digital or a 1000+ hp Prototype car, keep your egos in the GT4 world.

    The author of the article felt some of the spirit of the ring was being taken in people who feel the ring is a cake walk now that they can lap it perfectly in GT4. If the 24-hour required a restart every crash, I think no one would complete it in A-spec, ever. Unless they spent weeks and weeks. You will notice on the Ring that many graffiti spots are common places cars and bikes go off-track. Many of these are dedications to the people who have died.

    If you complete this enduro, and are a club-racer, or even auto enthusiast like myself, you will want to drive the north loop one day. It is a mere 15 euros per lap. Remember though... the ring in GT4... is not the ring in real life.

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    Anyway, best ringing! (Oh lord I'm a ring-nerd now, otherwise known as a 'Ringer'). For great Ring' info, visit ben lovejoy's nurburgring site (find it on google or yahoo).

    Also, I'm really not taking pictures and posting them to 'prove' my completion. Do you really think I'd write all this after 200 laps, and leaving my PS2 on for 3 weeks!

    -Mr. North Loop
     
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  2. capncrunch

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    wow i give you props for beating it a-spec but nobody is going to read all of that^^
     
  3. sumbodycool

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    I skimmed throught it... sounds good. Theres another area for write-ups, so if in the future you want to post something again like this, it'd probably be better over there. I'm not complaining about it or anything though.

    Sounds awesome. I wouldnever touch that for 24 hours. 6 Hours would be my limit, after that, it would probably bore me or something
     
  4. abraham_love

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    I'm really only a beginner with about 6% completed. This was a great read. Very interesting...but 24 hours. Jeez. I don't think I could. PiP...hahaha...surely that's illegal...HOFFICER, arrest this man.

    Congrats. :dunce:
     
  5. YZF

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    I did.

    I have time.

    Interesting.


    I like Nurby :)
     
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  6. Orbit

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    PIP... that made me laugh out loud! What a great read! :tup:

    Great work, and congratulations!
     
  7. Slick Rick

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    I read most of it, thanks for the advice i think it will help many drivers with their races but you wont be catching me doing a whole 24hr endurance a-spec.
    Anyway well done :tup: :tup:
     
  8. VT

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    Good write up .. but it should have been posted in the write up forum.
     
  9. RenesisEvo

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    How many A-spec points did that get you?? if I'm gonna do it, I want to get 200 first time, otherwise Ill have to do it more than once :crazy:
     
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    [broken record]id do all the 24 hour race completely a-spec if they would have included a save option durning pit stops[/broken record]

    good job :tup:
     
  11. carmaniac

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    Awesome write-up! I read every word!

    I wish I had the time and patience to do the 24hr on the Ring!
     
  12. sumbodycool

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    I wish I did too. Even the 8 hour Bspec is a long and painful process, I can't imagine 24 hours. This race is so long, even some of the tips used in A spec could be used for the b spec part of it like "Inform others! Tell your roommates to NOT TOUCH the PS2! People often see a paused game and will turn it off."
     
  13. Duke

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    I read it without thinking twice about how long it is. Develop an attention span.
    :dunce:
    Congratulations to aznicerckt for beating the race in A-Spec and for providing us with such a great guide to doing it ourselves.
    :tup:
     
  14. ZeratulSG

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    Nurburgring Nordschleife, 24 hours, 100% A-Spec...Respect :bowdown:
     
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  15. MikeCUK28

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    Um, surely it wasn't a public day, they would never run race qualifying with civilian traffic around. That would be a recipe for disaster. I think you'll find that the other cars were simply some of the 200+ race cars entered into the Nurburgring 24 hours.

    Nice write up tho.
     
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  16. Ragnar1211

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    Great advice and write-up! :tup:
     
  17. N35QU1K

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    You know, one thing that would be great and extremely realistic about the 24 hour race is if you wenth through day, and then it turns to night and day again... That would we just crazy... Driving in GT4 at Nurburgring in the DARK.
     
  18. Im Tha R8 King!

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    Again.. :tup: .. :) congrats to aznicerckt for completing the race. I know your pain :ouch: . that race sucks. But you gotta do wat you gotta do. :scared:




    :bowdown: ALL HAIL GRAN TURISMO 4 :bowdown:
    :cheers: THIS GAMES GREAT!!!!!!!!! :cheers:
     
  19. phillip

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    Frankly i did read it all, it not hard at all, given, that you learned to read in elementary... ;)
     
  20. hartmaenle

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    fist here is the link for the video http://www.dgtalpimp.com/m3_gtr_nurburgring.wmv , 56 MB .

    an now my congratulation beeting the M3-GTR , think Ha-Jo (Hans-Joachim) Stuck was'nt drive it :)

    You know, Hans Stuck, is the name of his father !!

    Oh teach me, my skyline reaches for 7:54 per lap, OH OH.
     
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  21. VVENOM800TT

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    A very good read at 12:22am, I'm also planning on doing the 24 hour ring endurance sometime after i finish my La Sarthe I enduro. (12 hours in right now)
     
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  22. crosstrainer

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    zzzz... currently at 8:3x:xx i'm bored as hell.. no pip is killing me.
     
  23. bigjoe

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    Finished my Ring 24 a-spec on Friday 7/8. Started it 7/4 so the P2 can last at least 5 days. :tup: I was white knuckling it the last couple hours hoping the game wouldn't freeze as others have. (It didn't.) I ran 189 laps in a Mitzu Tarmac rally car, with turbo 3 and tires as the only mods. My trick for the last 10-12 hours was to run DVDs on my computer that is right next to my TV. I could sort of keep an eye on both, and lap time suffered only 5-10 second over my dedicated laps.

    I think the two Sarthe 24s will be worse. though... Almost 900 laps on two virtually identical tracks. :yuck:
     
  24. loudboxer

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    Great writeup. I've just recently opened up the Endurance races, so haven't tried any yet. Surely this has been covered elsewhere, but a little searchy didn't turn up anything; does the GT environment change over time? Eg, does it get dark at night? Or is it the same clouds and sky for the entire 24 hours?
     
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  25. bigjoe

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    Unchanged for the whole 24 hours. I'd hate to think about what the backside of the Ring would be like at 150mph with just headlights to light the track. :nervous: Maybe throw in a little rain too... Fog... Hmmm the possibilities are endless!
     
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  26. no1racer

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    WOW i had to the 24h nurb in b spec mode x3 speed lol which only took 9 hours and i thought that was boring enough i did it in 204 laps in an audi r 8 their great but not as good as the fomrula :bowdown: :idea: :lol: :cheers:
     
  27. ppucci

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    PLEASE DONT GET LOUD!!! :p Thanks! :p

    Man, nice write-up!!! Congratulations!!! I play B-Spec sometimes in normal races, but have been planning to play the 24h races in A spec, I mean, what is the fun of having a 24h real-time race if you are not going to race the 24h hours? :confused:

    My plan is to get my brother and split the race with him. We've done that before in GT3 (ok, it was not 24h, but he's into it). So we will probably do it in a weekend or so. I'll let you guys know
     
  28. g7usl

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    How did you manage to increase the simulation speed?
     
  29. chinko

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    im not mad enough to do it A-spec. i had a party coming up and recording the day after, so i shoved it on b-spec, went to the party, came home to it on like 13 hours (i started it at 3), went bed, then went to do recording the next day. came back at 6pm that day to get my prize, a bright orange Formula :D
     
  30. Ezz777

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    I wonder sometimes why people seem more willing to get onto a random forum with such questions rather than simply reading their game manual.

    For those thinking about attempting the 24 hr enduros - my best tip would be to choose a car that is easy on the tires. For the 'ring enduro, tons of cars will win, but picking one that doesn't have to pit too much will make for an easy b-spec time. My RX7 LM on R1s goes 6 laps between pits (about 15 minutes in x3), lapping the TT or M3 about 4/5 times (hasn't come up against the Chapparal yet) making it easier to get through this on B-spec.

    The ideal car would be to use up its tires and fuel at the same time - while also staying in front of the opposition of course. Another example in the sarthe II enduro is the 787B - while not as quick as some of the big bangers (R92, 88c-v etc.) it is lighter and more gentle on its tires and still manages to get to the same speeds down the straight (thanks to b-specs inability to drive faster than about 340km/h in any car regardless of HP).

    I guess at the end of the day none of the races are that hard to beat once you konw what you are doing - so the main thing is to make them as easy from the b-spec point of view (ie fewest pits - meaining fewest changes back up to x3).