24 Hours of LeMans Collaboration

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Sry i couldnt post my stuff earlier...I was out of town. But I still did the race on the day it was on. Stupid holidea inn dosent have a computer.

Name:andrew
Car:Sauber Mercedes C9 Race Car 89'
Mileage:0.0
Hp:927

I ran Sarthe 2 cus I wanted to have a little challange

Sry bout the inconviniance and for posting so late
 
Over at the GTX Forum I've been running my own 24 Hours of LeMans OLR race with some good results so far.

Since the car I ran seems to fit into the rules presented here (the only modifications were a chassis refresh, oil change, and chassis stiffening [rollcage]), I'd like to enter my time as well:

Car: Toyota 88C-V
Mileage: Approximately 4600 miles
Horsepower: Not sure what the car had initially before I ran my race.

EDIT: I realized that the rest of you ran on the actual race day and that apparently the deadline is up? Oh well. If the results are posted I'll just post what I personally ran to compare.

I can say I averaged 3:15 lap times on Super Hard tires all around, got down to 3:12s when I was using regular Hard tires in the rear briefly.

B-Spec averaged about 3:25 lap times.

I beat the closest AI competition (a Nissan R92CP) by 8 laps.
 
Jpec, since you're back and posting again, will we see the results of this race? I wish I had been able to participate, but I'm really interested to see how everyone did.
 
Actually, Mulsanne, I only got two PMs out of the whole ordeal. So much for that endeavor, eh?
 
I guess so. That's too bad. :(

EDIT: On second thought, maybe the Yanks were too busy celebrating a 1st and 3rd in LMP1/overall, 1st and 2nd in GT1 and a podium sweep in GT2. :cheers: Sorry, just had to bring that up again. :)

It would be nice if we could get all the people interested in such a 24 hour race together in one thread and on one site. I know several different sites have done the Le Mans race, like The359 did at GTX, which was a very interesting read. If we could get everyone together for one race, I believe we'd have quite a turnout and a great race.

Thanks for the update. 👍
 
Mulsanne
I guess so. That's too bad. :(

EDIT: On second thought, maybe the Yanks were too busy celebrating a 1st and 3rd in LMP1/overall, 1st and 2nd in GT1 and a podium sweep in GT2. :cheers: Sorry, just had to bring that up again. :)

It would be nice if we could get all the people interested in such a 24 hour race together in one thread and on one site. I know several different sites have done the Le Mans race, like The359 did at GTX, which was a very interesting read. If we could get everyone together for one race, I believe we'd have quite a turnout and a great race.

Thanks for the update. 👍
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I know it's been awhile since the last post but I'd be down for running this event once again when the real 24 race comes back on later this year! I had a blast myself and would love to run this event once again...and for WITW..I'm pretty damn sure I was one of the 2 who PM'd their times to Jpec07.. :)
 
Is there still an opening for a Bentley Speed 8 in the GT1 class?

And hopefuly, you will take my consideration and not allow formula 1 cars in the race. :banghead: . I wasn't sure what you said on the opening post but please dont allow F1 cars. Lets make this as realistic as possible.
 
NOTE: That Bentley Speed 8 is gonna have a hell of a time trying to be competitive in GT1. I know that it is not technically a Prototype, but wouldn't it make more sense to run it in P1, considering that it is based on the Audi R8? (And has been "copy catted" by the Zytek.) Unless we are allowed to make some changes to the car to make it more compeitive.

Dave
 
ALSO: ASL Arta Garayia (GT300) couldn't take a Toyota Supra (GT 500) no matter what. Again, the classes may require some editing.

Dave
 
Just out of curiosity, is anyone still interested in doing this race this year?

(I got to thinking about this thread after reading the Entry List for this years Vingt-Quatre Heures du Mans, which I think is one of the strongest in years.)

My $0.02: Instead of running the race simultaneously with the real race, maybe we could allow participants more time to do the race and PM the results. Perhaps June 1 - 18 to do the race? (The 18th is the Sunday of the RL race.) Or perhaps the entire month of June?

Also, instead of the array of classes where we most likely would only get one or two participants per class, what about one LMP class and one GT class? We could use the four open-top LMP cars (and perhaps the Bentley and Toyota), since they're all pretty closely matched in performance, and use the Corvette C5-R and the Viper GTS-R for the GT1 class. This would more closely mirror the real race and would result in more drivers per class.

I can't imagine there's much of a demand to run a 24 hour race, as this race only got 2 participants last year and my Suzuka 1000 kilometer LMP race (less than 1/4 the length of a 24 hours race) only got five entries and two people sending in a time. But just in case anyone is still interested in running Le Mans this year, please join in and share your thoughts.
 
I was thinking of doing it again this year, maybe cross-running it between the GTX and GTP.

I would likely have 3 classes, with LMPs, Group Cs, and GT1.

GT1 would be made up of the GT1 cars from my upcoming Historic FIA GT '98 series, which would be realistic for LeMans in the late 1990s, and a way to cross over the two series.

I think participation would be decent, considering I had about 5 participants in my race at GTX.
 
The 24 hrs of Le Mans Club in cooperation with Dark Elite's enduranceseries (which is till in the works) have been planning on a 24 hr Le Mans race for sometime now.

I would like to work together with you, 359, in running an online 24hr race with gtp and gtx.

Let me know if you are interested in combining forces
 
I'd certainly be willing if an agreement could be made and a setup for a fair race.
 
I'm going to send you a pm the359 for a place where we can post ideas about the online 24hr race. We need to act quickly, June is only 2 months away. that may sound like alot but time will fly
 
The359, I wish I had been able to compete in your LM race last year. That race thread was a very interesting and entertaining read. 👍 👍

Honestly, as long as we get a few people to join in, I don't care what the rules are. (Well, as long as we're not seeing a Formula One class, or having the Suzuki Pikes Peak car in there. Let's keep it somewhat realistic.) I just want to compete against a field of fellow endurance racing enthusiasts.
 
I'm definately sticking with the following cars for the race, with minor modifications to equalize each car within each class.

LMP:
Audi R8
Bentley Speed 8
BMW V12 LMR
Pescarolo C60-Peugeot
Pescarolo C60-Judd
Toyota GT-One

LMC (Group C):
Jaguar XJR-9
Mazda 787B
Mercedes-Sauber C9
Nissan R89C
Nissan R92CP
Peugeot 905
Toyota 92C-V

GT1:
McLaren F1 GTR
Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR
Nissan R390 GT1
Panoz Esperante GTR-1

Any other cars would simply be too slow to really compete for a win in the game, and I'd prefer people got their 1,000,000 Credits and such if they want it.
 
I think the LMP cars are equal enough and require no modifications. I've been a few enduros with these cars and they run similiar times. And if you get them too equal then we might as well all run the same car lol. Part of racing is playing to your car's strength

I have no experience at all with Group C cars. I'm OK with them..but it really will leave a sour taste in my mouth if I win LMP but not overall..

Interesting choices for GT1. Those cars have major strengths and weaknesses. The Mercedes CLK GT will probably be 10mph faster down the straights then any of them but will much slower in the turns. Very good list IF you can get them to be somewhat equal.

Also if you pick the cars I think I'll set the rules...I'll work on this and get ALL the rules down soon. This set of rules won't include modifications to equalize the cars of course. I'll wait on your testing results for that. Remember that the LMP cars equal enough, I have plenty of real race condition testing to prove that.
 
Most of the LMPs are equal, but the Toyota GT-One is unfortunately too slow. From my testing so far, merely adding about 50kgs of weight to all the cars except the GT-One will apparently make things equal.

Group C cars have already had their weights figured out from my Group C series I ran at the GTX.

GT1 class cars are also equal, as can be seen in my Historic FIA GT '98 spot race.

I think the LMPs and Group C cars, with all their appropriate penalties, will run the same distances and therefore there's no guarentee which class will win overall.

GT1s shouldn't be taking the overall victory, but they wont be far behind.

By the way, here's the thread from the GTX for last year's 24 Hours of LeMans that I ran.
 
I don't think we should penalize all the LMP cars because the TS020LM is a second or two slower. (I've run Q laps with them at Le Mans and the Toyota was no more then 2 seconds slower over a 8 mile lap) I've been working on my Le Mans setup for months and 50kgs throws everything off. The center of gravity feels like it changes, braking points change everything is thrown up in the air. Nobody is going to use the TS020LM anyways.

lol are you saying that you can get the LMP cars to run as fast as the C cars? I'm sure I heard you wrong lol but I'm sure your OK with me setting the rules. I will

edit:thanks for the link...i will be reading

edit2: very good and interesting rules...i will be using most of them..with minor changes to others. I'm sure you wont have any major problems with the rules I select
 
I participated in and submitted times for last years race and had a blast doing it while in direct connection with the real 24 hour race and would love to do it again this year! :crazy: :crazy:

Add my name to any possible list that may be starting to form now and for the time being, add the Audi R8 under my name! :-)
 
SimRaceDriver
I participated in and submitted times for last years race and had a blast doing it while in direct connection with the real 24 hour race and would love to do it again this year! :crazy: :crazy:

Add my name to any possible list that may be starting to form now and for the time being, add the Audi R8 under my name! :-)
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I love to see that kind of enthusiasm:tup:

You indeed will be added to the list, when it arises. The official thread will probably be posted late may or June 1 at the latest
 
The point of equalizing the cars is to allow people to run the Toyota GT-One if the want and have a near equal chance of winning. It is a bit presumptious to believe that no one wants to run the Toyota GT-One, it's as good a car as any of the others.

Yes, adding weight changes the set-up requirements, but as you've said, there's 2 months time until this race would even be run. A change in weight balance also seems to cure that (as I learned in my Group C series, where weight penalties were used).

And yes, the LMPs and Group C cars shall run about the same lap times when each class is equalized.
 
The359
The point of equalizing the cars is to allow people to run the Toyota GT-One if the want and have a near equal chance of winning. It is a bit presumptious to believe that no one wants to run the Toyota GT-One, it's as good a car as any of the others.

Yes, adding weight changes the set-up requirements, but as you've said, there's 2 months time until this race would even be run. A change in weight balance also seems to cure that (as I learned in my Group C series, where weight penalties were used).

And yes, the LMPs and Group C cars shall run about the same lap times when each class is equalized.
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A good driver in the Toyota GT1 shouldnt need weight penalties to be competitive against the other LMP cars. The GT1 has advantages over the other cars such as faster straightline speed, the best brakes and fuel mileage that allows it to run 9 laps per stop. Adding 50 kgs to all the LMP cars because 1 of them is a second slower over a 8 mile lap is going to be a hard sell for me.

This may be a good idea, though. I will have to run my Pescarolo to see what these changes do.

And I'm quite sure the LMP cars will not be able to beat a LMC car in the hands of a good driver. The LMC cars all hve 100+ HP advantages over the LMP cars, and if I'm not mistaken they are 100kgs lighter as well, and I doubt 200kg of extra weight will even that out. How do you plan to make them equal?
 
Equal drivers in a GT-One and any other LMP would result in the GT-One losing. Hence why it is being equalized through minor changes. The point here is to make this a nice fair race, as I said before. I've run a GT-One before in an LMP-only series and it is not on the same pace as the other cars.

It doesn't really matter if Group C cars and LMPs are running the same speed or not, they're seperate classes which will be running their own races. Whichever one runs the fastest is the fastest. There will be no preference to have LMPs win overall.

The point isn't to make LMPs and Group C cars equal, the point is to make all Group C cars equal to one another, then make all LMPs equal to one another seperately.
 
I have complete faith in The359's ability to equalize the cars. And, having read over the rules in The359's 2005 Le Mans race thread and knowing Earth from the ESES, I know that both of you have the ability to set up a fair and fun race for everyone. I hope you guys can work together to compromise on a set of rules that will allow everyone a fun experience and an equal shot at victory.

The race last year saw the Toyota fastest in qualifying, with the Mercedes in second, 8 seconds and five seconds (IIRC), respectively, ahead of the closest LMP car. But the results show the LMP car finishing only 3 laps behind the Toyota. Not too big a margin to overcome over 24 hours. I believe a great driver in a LMP car can win overall. But I would wait until seeing how the cars will be equalized before asking for changes.

EDIT: The lap times may be a little closer than what they were last year, because I'm doing laps slightly faster than the quickest LMP car in my BMW and my car badly needs a chassis refresh and an oil change. So the performance gap is not as large as one might expect. Also, the LMP and Group C cars both weigh 900 kilos IIRC. The only difference is the Group C cars have about 100-150 more HP and have a lot more downforce. Still, I believe a very capable driver can win overall in a LMP.

Personally, my only concern is the effect the extra 50 kilos will have on the tire wear of the other LMP cars versus the unrestricted Toyota and especially against the faster Group C entries. Also, I am very interested in seeing how the Group C cars will be equalized, as it seems the Toyota has quite an advantage in performance over the others, with the Mercedes not too far behind. (Plus, I have been wanting to organize a "1989 Le Mans" race, using the Le Sarthe II and the Group C cars, but I could never get them quite equal.)

As I said before, I hope we can all work together to set up the rules that will allow everyone a fun experience and an equal shot at winning.
 
Unfortunately weight penalty will be the only way to slow the cars down, even if it does affect tire wear. Fortunately, 50kgs (or less) shouldn't have major affects.

I can say that looking at the times for the cars in the event I ran last year is a bit off since not every car was run and not all drivers are inherently equal.

However from looking at the Group C series I ran, as well as the LMP series that a friend ran at the GTX, and the GT series I'm planning now, I can say with confidence that I know how to equalize all these cars so that almost anyone could be competitive.

I'm not claiming they will be perfect, but they will be close enough for people to have fun.
 
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