2J question...

[Aphelion]

Will the chaparral2J keepup with the LMP's? and i dont mean if i can force the car to keep up,i mean would an ai 2J keep upwith like an R92CP? plaese respond quickly, as i have 3.5 mill and it costs 4.5 mill, so i need to know wether or not to save more! THANKS

 

[iainoflo85]

No, an AI 2J will not keep up with an AI or human R92CP.

 

[eSZee]

Will the chaparral2J keepup with the LMP's? and i dont mean if i can force the car to keep up,i mean would an ai 2J keep upwith like an R92CP? plaese respond quickly, as i have 3.5 mill and it costs 4.5 mill, so i need to know wether or not to save more! THANKS

2j is much easier to drive in my opinion. You also can't really use it in 24 min races since no lights, if you were planning on using it for that.
My suggestion would be the peugeot 905. Easy to drive, fast, working lights(IIRC).

 

[sparkytooth]

For the racing you're proably going to be treating it to, I recommend something with lights on it.

 

[Marqus]

Will the chaparral2J keepup with the LMP's? and i dont mean if i can force the car to keep up,i mean would an ai 2J keep upwith like an R92CP? plaese respond quickly, as i have 3.5 mill and it costs 4.5 mill, so i need to know wether or not to save more! THANKS

I'll fully endorse the 2J. It's the fastest non-formula car I my garage, and I have a 1200 hp Peugot 908! Warning: there is no adjustable aero. But it doesn't need aero

 

[Aphelion]

ok well my other option was the 787b stealth (because thug life) but does anyone know if that things headlights work?

 

[sparkytooth]

If it has headlights, they obviously work.

 

[Aphelion]

well i think some race cars obviously have headlights but they dont work, but i think they're standards or something but anyway thanks, at least i now know the 2J is fast!

 

[sparkytooth]

They all work when they need to, even if we're talking standard cars.

 

[SyzygyDarklock]

The 787B Stealth is my go too car... Add oil change, chassis reinforcement and high end turbo and your prepared to take on any track in the game!!! it's also lighter than LMP and even some Group C cars so can last longer on tank and tires... Just wish that maintenance was not as often needed... (Kinda puts a premium as to what races you're going to use it (or any hyper/LMP/super classic car)...

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Will the chaparral2J keepup with the LMP's? and i dont mean if i can force the car to keep up,i mean would an ai 2J keep upwith like an R92CP? plaese respond quickly, as i have 3.5 mill and it costs 4.5 mill, so i need to know wether or not to save more! THANKS

No, definitely not, the 2J is a cool car but has many shortcomings. It only has 3 gears so it is very sluggish especially from a standing start when set to a high top speed. It does not have enough downforce to hang high speed corners at the speeds of an LMP and not nearly the acceleration out of the slow corners that you get with a 6 speed trans.

My car of choice is the Audi R8 LMP, Bentely Speed 8 and Mazda 787B are runners up.

 

[ildd]

. It does not have enough downforce to hang high speed corners.

I don't think we're talking about the same 2J.

Anyways, I tried to do the 2J in a 24 minute race and, while 1/2 way through and in first, I remembered it had no lights. So... I put the driving line on

 

[TexRex]

The 2J's ability to keep up really depends on the track. It has wild acceleration and can reach decent speeds but a modern LMP or 80s Group C will be faster. It corners very well at lower speeds but falls short at higher speeds where the LM cars excel. And its brakes are downright awful for something capable of the speeds it can reach and sustain. It's 44 years old.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

I don't think we're talking about the same 2J.

Anyways, I tried to do the 2J in a 24 minute race and, while 1/2 way through and in first, I remembered it had no lights. So... I put the driving line on

The 24 minutes races are super easy, you can win them in almost anything, try it against a human driving an Audi R8 LMP and you will get blown away.

For example I ran Spa in a stock Audi R8, wrecked twice, ran out of gas once 1/2 way around the track, drove slow at night and still won by 45 seconds. Lemans, pitted 2 times and still won by almost a minute again stock R8 and on the Nurburgring I used a Mercedes CLK Touring Car, easy win there as well, almost 2 minutes ahead of 2nd place.

 

[Master__Shake_]

For the fun factor, the 2J will not disappoint. It only has 3 gears, which means you won't be shifting as often, but has just as much acceleration as any LMP car with over 1000 horsepower. There is no adjustable downforce, so cornering at high speeds is iffy but, for corners under 130, it will take as hard as any maxed downforce car. The lack of downforce is also a blessing as well as it doesn't limit the top end of the car.

The worst part of the car is the transmission, really. Adjusting the 3 gears leaves large gaps between shifts, so it doesn't stay in the powerband as much as the 6 & 7 speed racecars, but has no problem getting to 200MPH in no time flat. The 2D racecar is very similar to the 2J, lighter but only 785hp, it is very impressive for also having a 3 speed transmission and without the vacuum suspension of the 2J. I would suggest both if you're looking to get away from the ordinary LMPs and giving yourself a challenge. The 2D also has adjustable downforce & headlights, so you can use it in the 24 minute races.

 

[nursemorph]

I love my 2J....it is listed as my most run car and car with most wins (though that's because I have run Like The Wind at SSRX numerous times with it). It can easily beat LMP cars driven by the AI. It has 2 issues which do affect it:

- It has no headlights so will be difficult to drive at night (even with driving line on I struggled at Le Mans)
- It has slow acceleration out of low speed corners (60mph and below) but it makes up for that in the mid range (though you can alter that by adding a Low Speed Turbo which works well at tracks like Motegi etc).

When I bought mine, I stuck a Stage 3 Turbo on it, set the top speed to 286mph (the highest it will go without manually changing ratios) and it has won every career race I have entered, including the Nordschlieffe. At SSRX, it wins with that top speed by about 30 seconds over the LMPs and 20+ seconds over the Veyron, FXX etc (in all races there it is in 1st by the bottom of the downhill section).

As for it's inability to negotiate high speed corners, I have not found that at all. It is quite happy traversing the turns at SSRX at 275+mph and I have not struggled for pace on any other high speed corners

 

[Aphelion]

For the fun factor, the 2J will not disappoint. It only has 3 gears, which means you won't be shifting as often, but has just as much acceleration as any LMP car with over 1000 horsepower. There is no adjustable downforce, so cornering at high speeds is iffy but, for corners under 130, it will take as hard as any maxed downforce car. The lack of downforce is also a blessing as well as it doesn't limit the top end of the car.

The worst part of the car is the transmission, really. Adjusting the 3 gears leaves large gaps between shifts, so it doesn't stay in the powerband as much as the 6 & 7 speed racecars, but has no problem getting to 200MPH in no time flat. The 2D racecar is very similar to the 2J, lighter but only 785hp, it is very impressive for also having a 3 speed transmission and without the vacuum suspension of the 2J. I would suggest both if you're looking to get away from the ordinary LMPs and giving yourself a challenge. The 2D also has adjustable downforce & headlights, so you can use it in the 24 minute races.

yeah i alredy have the 2D, and since GT4 it has been oone of my faves! thanks for the advice everyone! im probably gonna buy the 2J anyway, but i alredy bought a mclaren F1 and a 787B stealth with the money i had . well ima wait for the higher paying seasonals before i get this car!

 

[iainoflo85]

yeah i alredy have the 2D, and since GT4 it has been oone of my faves! thanks for the advice everyone! im probably gonna buy the 2J anyway, but i alredy bought a mclaren F1 and a 787B stealth with the money i had . well ima wait for the higher paying seasonals before i get this car!

Or just do some red bull events - you'll get 4.5 million in no time.

 

[TexRex]

yeah i alredy have the 2D, and since GT4 it has been oone of my faves! thanks for the advice everyone! im probably gonna buy the 2J anyway, but i alredy bought a mclaren F1 and a 787B stealth with the money i had . well ima wait for the higher paying seasonals before i get this car!

Could have saved a cool million and won the F1.

 

[Aphelion]

Or just do some red bull events - you'll get 4.5 million in no time.

Yeah thats what ive been doing. its quite fast, but every time i get allot of money, i intantly go to buy a car. i dont know, the next car i buy is gonna be the 2J i think, but i cant use the PS3 during the school week, so i cant play for while now! i hope they give us some more well paying time trials soon!

 

[NixxxoN]

The thing is the AI 2J is stock and has quite a lot less PP. Only If it were tuned to the max with all the upgrade parts...

 

[s-oso]

The thing is the AI 2J is stock and has quite a lot less PP. Only If it were tuned to the max with all the upgrade parts...

Even AI would be near unbeatable then. It's single most overrated car in the game.

I get fake downforce from the fan. But I don't get it why it doesn't count towards PP. That alone gives it power over everything else, but no they didn't stop there. They went and equipped it with completely unrealistic engine. Three gears, insane acceleration and over 200hmp???

 

[Master__Shake_]

Even AI would be near unbeatable then. It's single most overrated car in the game.

I get fake downforce from the fan. But I don't get it why it doesn't count towards PP. That alone gives it power over everything else, but no they didn't stop there. They went and equipped it with completely unrealistic engine. Three gears, insane acceleration and over 200hmp???

This kind of hate toward the 2J is probably why it was banned from races shortly after it was made. They "cheated" to get superior track grip & acceleration, with the technology being a marvel for its age. If they had adopted this technology in the 70s and not shunned it, the Indy & Formula racecars would've been X1s instead.

 

[NixxxoN]

Even AI would be near unbeatable then. It's single most overrated car in the game.

I get fake downforce from the fan. But I don't get it why it doesn't count towards PP. That alone gives it power over everything else, but no they didn't stop there. They went and equipped it with completely unrealistic engine. Three gears, insane acceleration and over 200hmp???

You mean overpowered, not overrated? Yeah its a great car but not completely unbeatable like the Red Bull. Using a proper LMP car you can beat it I think.
Also, why you say the egine is unrealistic? Its a light, short car with very few drag (has no big wings because it uses the fan to generate downforce), also has a powerful engine with good torque...

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Personally I do not car for the 2J, I think it is extremely ugly and I definitely would nto use it in a race against LMP cars. It is meant to run against LM race cars of the era. and can do rather well against them. It is no match for most LMP and/or Group C cars.

The biggest plus with the 2J is the ability to take low speed corners quickly due to the fact that the downforce does not require speed to be present where as the wings do. The LMP cars develop more downforce and as such will hold better at high speed.

I have not driven the 2J or 2D in GT6 yet but from past experience they are very slow from 0-60 especially so if you gear them high enough to hit the speeds you would see with something like the R92CP. Once 1st gear gets wound up they do pretty good but the wide gearing still causes them to suffer a bit.

In any case there are very few tracks where the car can compete with the superior Group C and LMP cars unless those cars are driven by the AI and any of the high end GT cars can do the same.

 

[xSNAKEx]

The 787B Stealth is my go too car... Add oil change, chassis reinforcement and high end turbo and your prepared to take on any track in the game!!! it's also lighter than LMP and even some Group C cars so can last longer on tank and tires... Just wish that maintenance was not as often needed... (Kinda puts a premium as to what races you're going to use it (or any hyper/LMP/super classic car)...

I got that car in gt5 from the start from the stealth codes and man was it a sweet car. Got me through so much of the game plus it looks and sounds badass. Its also one of the most fun cars to drive.

Legal or not, it would literally be one of the coolest things you can do in life to get the real 787B, paint it like the stealth livery and just drive it around the city. Pull up to some douchebag in a Ferrari at the lights. WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB WUB. LOL.

I think people would be ******** in their pants left right and centre. Its probably worth the jail time if that were in any way feasible.

 

[Master__Shake_]

I have not driven the 2J or 2D in GT6 yet but from past experience they are very slow from 0-60 especially so if you gear them high enough to hit the speeds you would see with something like the R92CP. Once 1st gear gets wound up they do pretty good but the wide gearing still causes them to suffer a bit.

If you gear it for proper launch, you can get the 2J from 0-100 almost as fast as a GT-R or Veyron, which is a lot faster than any LMP car in the game. The downfall is only being able to gear it out to 250-260MPH or so, but it will still be very competitive. The 2D with a more limited powerband and lower horsepower would be limited to around 200 or so with a good 0-60 competiting with the ZR1 Vette & Vipers.

 

[HBR-Roadhog]

Perhaps it is different in GT6 than from before, I just remember its 0-30 speed was about like the stock 49 Beetle if not worse

I raced against GT cars with the 2D in GT 4 from a standing start and geared high. All of the GT cars were out of sight before I hit 100 mph. Of course I did catch them and pass them and hit a top speed of 279mph in it with the stage 4 turbo installed

I also remember seeing the AI drive it in GT5, on Cote D'Azure when it would crash into the barrier it was extremely slow getting back up to 60 mph, in fact anytime the speed dropped below 25mph it was a bit of a dog. I also remember blowing by it off the line with pretty much anything.

 

[Master__Shake_]

Perhaps it is different in GT6 than from before, I just remember its 0-30 speed was about like the stock 49 Beetle if not worse

I raced against GT cars with the 2D in GT 4 from a standing start and geared high. All of the GT cars were out of sight before I hit 100 mph. Of course I did catch them and pass them and hit a top speed of 279mph in it with the stage 4 turbo installed

The way the gearing is set up for the 3 speeds, you really need to get 1st low enough so a full throttle launch will have wheelspin, slightly bog then catch traction. If you run traction control, they are slow as a rock. I'm a drag tuner so I've tested multiple transmissions on multiple production & track cars, and the 2J will run a 1/4 mile just as fast as a Veyron, while other LMP cars at best are several cars behind that. Other LMPs have limited top speed based on downforce, whereas the 2J does not.

 

[s-oso]

You mean overpowered, not overrated? Yeah its a great car but not completely unbeatable like the Red Bull. Using a proper LMP car you can beat it I think.
Also, why you say the egine is unrealistic? Its a light, short car with very few drag (has no big wings because it uses the fan to generate downforce), also has a powerful engine with good torque...

It has both front splitter and back wing. Game just will not register ether and the car behaves as no drag wonder. And that engine is just unrealistic. 2j was banned because of its fan, not because of it's engine. There is no way Chapparal developed engine of such performance as it has in the game. Three gears alone should substantially limit it's acceleration, and even worse, the top speed is completely fictional. Default gearing is bad, but once you figure it, it accelerates as Master Shake described.

In my book it's in the same league as Toyota 7 70s racer. Completely fictional machine that I love to drive.

In any case there are very few tracks where the car can compete with the superior Group C and LMP cars unless those cars are driven by the AI and any of the high end GT cars can do the same.

I beg to differ. Unless you run completely unrestricted pp, 2j is a beast. I've run up to 70pp handicap in online races and easily beat anything the game has to offer.