3000GT = any car killer, i mean ANY!

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Originally posted by Party for GT4
Supra [...] Veilside bodykit.

Die Devil worshipper! Die!

Why must people smeg all over beautiful cars with their arse-on-backwards ideas? Why not just buy a car that looks **** to start with? At least you can't make it look (much) worse...
 
Originally posted by Famine
Die Devil worshipper! Die!

Why must people smeg all over beautiful cars with their arse-on-backwards ideas? Why not just buy a car that looks **** to start with? At least you can't make it look (much) worse...
that would require to much thought towards what butt ugly car to look for, so instead they use other people's designs that are manufactured and sold. . . plus don't you know it drops a second off the quarter mile using a body kit that is prefabricated but a huge company. . .
 
Originally posted by Monster7
In America? Stock tires, drivetrain, powertrain?

Its on Supra Forum. I was inform it was totally stock, even stock tires. Im not sure if its America or what but...
 
I'm sorry if you believe that any stock tahoe will beat a VR-4.

As a current 94 vr4 owner. I'd like to prove otherwise..

First what is the fastest 'stock' tahoe time that you have seen placed?

I searched around and I came up with this. Which seems to be what yours is with a good amount of modification.

http://www.dragtruk.com/ENTRIES/oatesmike.html

Hes running a 150shot of NOS and still runs a 14.2! and don't say hes a bad driver. #1 hes getting pretty damn decent 60' for a truck and #2, it's automatic, what the hell does he have to do, it shifts for him.

Now. My car has #1. Regular K&N filter/Stillen intake attached to the factory MAS. #2. ATR 3" Catback exhaust. Everything else is stock. Boost is at 11PSI (Stock) I have 100k miles. Today at the track. 1st time running it, quickest time was a 13.478@100mph. Then consistant 13.5s also @ 100mph. I have a timeslip as well for each run. Upon request I can post it.

Either your friend wasn't so great of a driver or his car is sick. Just don't go around saying stock for stock a tahoe can beat a vr-4.. because it can't.

BTW I love my car. Feels great, drives great as long as its kept in good care. I hope to break into the 12s soon with as little modification as I can.

If you have any questions, fire away.

Take care,

Doug
 
Your car looks nice, before I say anything. But personally, I like the VR-4's and all that jazz, but I think they're pretty much incompitant (I massacred the word, but you know what it is). They were supposed to be Big, Fast, and pretty Agile, insted they're Big, Heavy, and pretty slow. Don't they have AWD/4WD? So they should run about 13 seconds with no mods (Just an approcimation, dont take it seriously). But nonetheless, they look cool I guess. I'll stick with my FD. :)
 
Those 0-60mph times don't seem to add up. Why would somewith nearly the same amount of horsepower and torque and AWD be slower than a RWD vehicle?
 
Originally posted by XzifT
Your car looks nice, before I say anything. But personally, I like the VR-4's and all that jazz, but I think they're pretty much incompitant (I massacred the word, but you know what it is). They were supposed to be Big, Fast, and pretty Agile, insted they're Big, Heavy, and pretty slow. Don't they have AWD/4WD? So they should run about 13 seconds with no mods (Just an approcimation, dont take it seriously). But nonetheless, they look cool I guess. I'll stick with my FD. :)

Not that slow ;) they run about the same as a 350z they do run high 13s.

Car-Stats.com Report for 1991 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
Obtained from
0-60: 5.3 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.8
1/4 Speed:

Car-Stats.com Report for 1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
Obtained from MT September, 1992
0-60: 6 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 14.4
1/4 Speed:

Car-Stats.com Report for 1993 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
Obtained from
0-60: 5.3 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 14
1/4 Speed:

Car-Stats.com Report for 1994 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
Obtained from
0-60: 5.7 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 14.2
1/4 Speed:

Car-Stats.com Report for 1995 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
Obtained from
0-60: 5.4 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.5
1/4 Speed:

Car-Stats.com Report for 1997 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4
Obtained from MT May, 1997
0-60: 4.8 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.6
1/4 Speed: 100


As you can see the 1995 and 1997 VR4 is both very fast. They both run mid 13s. Same as your mod. VR4 i might add. All of them are professional drivers and skill has alot to do with it. My friend has a VR4 red one 91, its beautiful. Old car but has alot of power. It has minor mods (forgot what they were :lol: ) but nonetheless it will beat my cousin 350z no doubt (stock).

Stock for Stock it runs around the same the older verisons 13.8-14.4 that about the same time as a 350z. The 1995 and 1997 verison is alittle quicker but i say it depends all about the driver and also the condition. Dont forget about the wind.
 
I joined this forum just to post to some of these rediculous replies. Ive owned a 300zx Turbo, 1992 3000GT VR4, and a 1995 3000GT VR4. Let me tell you that the VR4 (stock) when properly driven will out corner (and out slalom - just check road and track) a Porsche 911. It will out accellerate Stock 5.0L and 4.7L Mustangs (not R) and is well matched against a Stock Vette (not Z06) off the line. For the guy with a Tahoe (by the way I've also driven one of those, but didn't mention it due to the fact there is no comparison). Your friend with the 3000GT doesn't know how to shift or properly launch for racing. Try racing him again. Let him rev up to 4500rpm and feather the clutch out to take off, then while maintaining 2000rpms while shifting, jam second, accel while feathering again. (he may need a short throw shifter to help him, my gen 1 VR4 had a very long throw. But, you wont have a chance in the tahoe. (A little clutch gets burned, but thats what racing is all about). Also, balding tires can be an advantage when dragging because you have more surface against the pavement, it would be a disadvantage in cornering. Its a lesson I learned with my first VR4. When compared to a stang or vette, the power to weight is fairly similar. Therefore a VR4 shouldn't get dogged by several car lengths. But because alot of people burn from a dead start (no or low revving) the 6cyl has little chance againt the 8cyl engines. But at 4500RPM when launching, the driver can barely hold onto the wheel. the AWD system distributes the power evenly between 4 wheels opposed to 2, allowing more power to be transferred to the pavement. I've had 2 VR4's and raced against everything I can find. Its true that these cars have been used mostly for Drag, which I consider a waste, but there is obviously a reason.

For anyone looking to buy a VR4, the Gen ones have lots of toys, but are a much rawer (less refined) version. They have ECS, Elec Exhaust, Act Aero, and the 2 bolt lower. With gen 2 they eliminated the ECS and Elec Exhaust (which only limited power and added weight!). They kept the active aero for the following 2 years and then nixed the spoiler (which is realistically only helpful on the rear end past 130mph). The Gen 2s received a shorter throw 6 speed with much smoother gearing, and a 4 bolt. For anyone looking to buy one, I suggest a gen 2 even though the the gen one seems cooler.

As for the AWD system not performing well, I've have gotten into some hairy situations, and the AWD/AWS system has compensated for almost every mistake I've made. The only thing you shouldn't try is controlled power sliding, The AWD/AWS over compensated and doesn't allow the car to truly go sideways in an even fashion, but if kicking out the rear on a sharp corner is all you are looking for...this is the car. I've driven many cars to the limits and a few beyond. Let me just tell you this car can scare you if you push it. At 130+ MPH This car has a little shake to it, but is overall very nimble and sturdy at that speed (Its optimum speed is in the 80-100mph range). Also at these speed most cars hoods begin to warp, but this one does not. Just be forewarned that at these speeds, bugs will dent the hood of you car and chip the paint. The way it is geared though (stock), to get over 150mph would require some work...or a very long straight away.

It a very nice Japanese Ferrari, seated amongst its peers the Supra TT, RX-7 TT, NSX, 300ZX TT and Skyline TT. Anyone who tries to compare it to anything American, especially a Truck, obviously has no idea. Even those who try to compare them to the EVO's or WRX's just han't driven a Japanese supercar (though the formentioned Rally cars are nice, they were never intended for GT Racing. I'm not here to bash Maros, Vettes, Stangs, but please, have you ever heard anyone compare a mustang (or Tahoe) to a Ferrari or Porsche?:bowdown:
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Originally posted by GTO TwinTurbo
I joined this forum just to post to some of these rediculous replies. Ive owned a 300zx Turbo, 1992 3000GT VR4, and a 1995 3000GT VR4. Let me tell you that the VR4 (stock) when properly driven will out corner (and out slalom - just check road and track) a Porsche 911. It will out accellerate Stock 5.0L and 4.7L Mustangs (not R) and is well matched against a Stock Vette (not Z06) off the line. For the guy with a Tahoe (by the way I've also driven one of those, but didn't mention it due to the fact there is no comparison). Your friend with the 3000GT doesn't know how to shift or properly launch for racing. Try racing him again. Let him rev up to 4500rpm and feather the clutch out to take off, then while maintaining 2000rpms while shifting, jam second, accel while feathering again. (he may need a short throw shifter to help him, my gen 1 VR4 had a very long throw. But, you wont have a chance in the tahoe. (A little clutch gets burned, but thats what racing is all about). Also, balding tires can be an advantage when dragging because you have more surface against the pavement, it would be a disadvantage in cornering. Its a lesson I learned with my first VR4. When compared to a stang or vette, the power to weight is fairly similar. Therefore a VR4 shouldn't get dogged by several car lengths. But because alot of people burn from a dead start (no or low revving) the 6cyl has little chance againt the 8cyl engines. But at 4500RPM when launching, the driver can barely hold onto the wheel. the AWD system distributes the power evenly between 4 wheels opposed to 2, allowing more power to be transferred to the pavement. I've had 2 VR4's and raced against everything I can find. Its true that these cars have been used mostly for Drag, which I consider a waste, but there is obviously a reason.

For anyone looking to buy a VR4, the Gen ones have lots of toys, but are a much rawer (less refined) version. They have ECS, Elec Exhaust, Act Aero, and the 2 bolt lower. With gen 2 they eliminated the ECS and Elec Exhaust (which only limited power and added weight!). They kept the active aero for the following 2 years and then nixed the spoiler (which is realistically only helpful on the rear end past 130mph). The Gen 2s received a shorter throw 6 speed with much smoother gearing, and a 4 bolt. For anyone looking to buy one, I suggest a gen 2 even though the the gen one seems cooler.

As for the AWD system not performing well, I've have gotten into some hairy situations, and the AWD/AWS system has compensated for almost every mistake I've made. The only thing you shouldn't try is controlled power sliding, The AWD/AWS over compensated and doesn't allow the car to truly go sideways in an even fashion, but if kicking out the rear on a sharp corner is all you are looking for...this is the car. I've driven many cars to the limits and a few beyond. Let me just tell you this car can scare you if you push it. At 130+ MPH This car has a little shake to it, but is overall very nimble and sturdy at that speed (Its optimum speed is in the 80-100mph range). Also at these speed most cars hoods begin to warp, but this one does not. Just be forewarned that at these speeds, bugs will dent the hood of you car and chip the paint. The way it is geared though (stock), to get over 150mph would require some work...or a very long straight away.

It a very nice Japanese Ferrari, seated amongst its peers the Supra TT, RX-7 TT, NSX, 300ZX TT and Skyline TT. Anyone who tries to compare it to anything American, especially a Truck, obviously has no idea. Even those who try to compare them to the EVO's or WRX's just han't driven a Japanese supercar (though the formentioned Rally cars are nice, they were never intended for GT Racing. I'm not here to bash Maros, Vettes, Stangs, but please, have you ever heard anyone compare a mustang (or Tahoe) to a Ferrari or Porsche?:bowdown:
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What were the Mitsu's like compared to the 300ZX?
As I've said before, my dad was going to get one or the other, but went for a 300ZX in the end because it was cheaper.
I have a feeling you're going to say that the 3000GT is better....:odd:
 
The Z was fast, tight, and a real sports car. Jim Wolf racing also created many high quality mod parts to tune them fast, correctly, and fairly inexpensively. I had the Z in between owning my 2 VR4's. However it just wasn't the same. When I had the money to buy a low mile Gen 2 VR4, I sold the Z with little hesitation. They are both worth of the title Supercar, but the VR4 out performed the Z on many minor levels. Its funny, I was in a rainstorm with my first VR4 and was pulling out of a McDonalds Drive Through when the turbo kicked in and sent me screaming sideways...however the AWD kicked me around and out of harms way. A similar event happened in the Z when turning a corner (from a dead stop) in the rain, but this time I was catapulted rear first up onto a median block...bending the rack on my rack and pinion...which I have been told is nearly impossible to do. There was no other damage (except wheel alignment)...I was lucky. This is just one illustration of how two similar cars handles similar situations with the same driver. Maybe the first one was just luck, however the VR4 performs these seemingless miracles on a regular basis with ease. I would recommend both cars, but a VR4 first. The VR4 is a lot costlier to maintain and even to purchase...but is well worth it. Cheap 1990+ Turbo Z's run 2k-25k, 1991 VR4's run 5k-30k respectively I've found in similar conditions.
 
as much as i love nissans i would still rarther go for the 3000GT over the Z32(assuming thats the model of 300ZX you talking about)
 
Now if a Nissan Skyline R32,33 or 34 entered the picture... I've never driven one, but haing a majority rear wheel drive, AWD system just makes sense to me. Its like a mix of the best of a 300ZX and 3000GT. I'll let you guys know if I ever get to drive one. I had found a one about a year ago that was track only, but since I have no emmissions here in florida I considered getting it. The deal fell through but I've talked with Motorex a few times about the costs of importing one. Needless to say, the VR4's are cheaper than the Skylines. If any of you have driven both the Skyline and VR4/MR can I get your input on a comparison between the 2? I figure they are probably the closest of kin (ie apples to apples and such).
 
since i own a R33 GTS25T type M(hopefully in a year it will be a R33 GTR), i will have to go for the skyline, but i havent driven a 3000GT so i can really comment on them
 
Apparently compared to the GTR they are filled with useless gadgets (unlike the R33 GTR) and was a dissapointing and uninvolving drive, it was porky and met the same end as the 300ZX (got fat and died quickly)
 
Originally posted by sliderulz
they are quite rare here in Adelaide(i've seen more NSX's)!

true, very true. i have seen quite a few more than 3 though
 
Originally posted by sliderulz
Apparently compared to the GTR they are filled with useless gadgets (unlike the R33 GTR) and was a dissapointing and uninvolving drive, it was porky and met the same end as the 300ZX (got fat and died quickly)
All of the japanese super cars were chubby. The FD3S Rx-7 and NSX are exceptions.

That is not why they "died quickly". The Z32 300zx - 3000GT - FD3S RX-7 - MKIV Supra - and NSX were all built and sold for almost, if not more than a decade in Japan.

If you were to make a list of how many performance cars used their original chassis for 10 years, and were still considered a competitive car, it would be a very very small list.

The main reasons for the various cars being cut from the production line are money, and a lack of true enthusiasts.

This is the current book value in the United States. All cars were tested with 100,000 miles on them, 1993 production year, and the *average value. http://www.nadaguides.com

1. NSX - $33,188
2. Supra - $16,411
3. RX-7 - $12,405
4. 300Z - $11,332
5. VR-4 - $10,051

Those are big numbers for any 11 year old car, not to mention an 11 year old japanese car.
 
I still say that it's a shame that the 3000GT is no longer in production. Just because of that doesn't mean that people no longer care. Besides, people want to get those. They had big horsepower (especially when tuned), it was pretty aerodynamic, but it had only one weakness- the weight.

Other than that, it's the car I used to dominate GT1. That's to make a would-be long story short.
 
My cousin in his 350z has a friend with a VR4 92' well my cousin said that the VR4 after around 80-90mph isnt as fast since its on a roll. He said he could beat a VR4 92' from a 80mph roll. To me that seems possible since the VR4 is awd and basically its advantage is lost since on a high roll.

I saw the VR4 and it look nice.. it has few minor mods, and i have seen it.. never riden in it though i want to. I have been in the 350z and its so nice im not sure what to pick... a AWD VR4 or RWD 350Z. On the look, i must admit that i rather have the 350 but i dont know such a hard choice.

He told my cousin that the VR4 loses speed after 80 so im guessing since he told him then its true but eitherway the VR4 is so sweet!

Z32 or VR4... even though im not that much of a mitsubishi fan beside (evo and vr4) i will have to choose the VR4.. if the Z33 comes in the picture (350z) then i dont know any more. I might choose thte VR4 because i see 350z too much either way you cant lose.
 
The whole point of the VR-4 is the launch. That is the only place it has an advantage.

If someone in a VR-4 want's to race from a roll, he is either a new owner, or a complete dip shi*.
 
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