50 of the Same Car! When Are Variations of One Car Too Many?

[Sambert]

also, the game was created by a japanese developer who has a penchant for japanese cars. read any interview where they mention his cars. he doesnt own american iron. its not his style. but he has included them. he could choose to ignore them completely, he hasnt.

As the proud owner of a R33 GTS-t it is understandable that duplication is the last of my concerns… You’re right, KZ has fine selection of cars… which does however include a new Ford GT…

edit:Still there is that original Brit vs US GT40 ownership debate…

 

[JohnBM01]

So Neanderthal, based on what you typed in Post #60, how do you feel about American car fans wanthing more muscle car variety without being bothered by one too many Japanese cars? So do you think the "more muscle cars, less Skylines" crowd kind of just want more American variety that they couldn't get since Gran Turismo 2? Or do you think this is even an issue, Neanderthal?

 

[98cobra]

I think that KY will include more variety of American and European cars in GT4 because he did it in GT2, why not GT4? I know it would take longer, but look how much time they've been working on GT4.

 

[98cobra]

some of y'all are clowns. seriously. you have no idea how to apply that grey matter (missing?) in your heads.

im going to use the skyline and mustang as examples.

the mustang has one drivetrain type (RWD,) one body type (coupe) with three engine choices; 3.8, 4.6, 4.6 twin cam in the cobra. (yes i know there is a cobra R but that was a limited edition and they were for one year and all sold out already. or something like that.)

since the car can be used a stick or auto in the game we wont include transmission choice. so there is three possible mustangs.

the skyline came with two (three) drivetrain types; rear wheel drive, all wheel drive (all wheel drive with rear steer.) three engines that i know of for sure (2.0, 2.5, 2.6 twin turbo) and i pretty sure that the two smaller engines also came in single turbo varieties. im too tired to look everything up for you. that means there is possibly 5 engines. but there also two body types; coupe and sedan. so three (drivetrains) times five (engines) times two (bodystyles) yields 30 different combinations possible for the skyline.

so for every ten differnent skylines in the game there should be one mustang. the ratio seems about right with GT3. i dont know how many skylines were in it so im not sure.

im talking same year model, not R32, R33, R34 varieties which were all different. saying they are all skylines would be akin to saying the v6 mustang from today is the same as the one used in teh 5.0 bodystyle. two different kettles of fish.

also, the game was created by a japanese developer who has a penchant for japanese cars. read any interview where they mention his cars. he doesnt own american iron. its not his style. but he has included them. he could choose to ignore them completely, he hasnt.

so enough with the b!tching and whining already for fuxsakes.

edit to add id forgotten about KYs recent ford GT addition to his stable.

You want to talk about engine choices look at the old muscle cars. For example in 1970 you could get a Ford Mustang in these different engine sizes:

200 cubic in. V6 120hp
250 cubic in. V8 155hp
302 cubic in. V8 220hp 2V
302 cubic in. V8 290hp 4V Boss
351 cubic in. V8 250hp 351W and 351C
428 cubic in. V8 300hp
428 cubic in. V8 335hp Cobra jet
428 cubic in. V8 335hp Cobra jet R
429 cubic in. V8 375hp Boss

 

[Moriquendi]

You want to talk about engine choices look at the old muscle cars. For example in 1970 you could get a Ford Mustang in these different engine sizes:

200 cubic in. V6 120hp
250 cubic in. V8 155hp
302 cubic in. V8 220hp 2V
302 cubic in. V8 290hp 4V Boss
351 cubic in. V8 250hp 351W and 351C
428 cubic in. V8 300hp
428 cubic in. V8 335hp Cobra jet
428 cubic in. V8 335hp Cobra jet R
429 cubic in. V8 375hp Boss

you do not want to get me started on the skylines. he only took the ones from when the GT-R version of the skyline was introduced. both the skylines and the silvias has a very deep root in japanese car-history and it`s no wonder there are many of them. and i only know about nissans since i`m a nisan-fanatic. but there are prolly alot more cars from both toyota and mitsubishi aswell....


but i do miss more american muscle in the GT-series. and some german cars aswell....


and have any one of you ever tried to draw a car in 3D? i`ve just started but i`ll prolly need about a year to accomplish what the guys at PD do in one day. and it is ALOT easier just to move some polygons here and there then to build a completly new car....

 

[98cobra]

you do not want to get me started on the skylines. he only took the ones from when the GT-R version of the skyline was introduced. both the skylines and the silvias has a very deep root in japanese car-history and it`s no wonder there are many of them. and i only know about nissans since i`m a nisan-fanatic. but there are prolly alot more cars from both toyota and mitsubishi aswell....


but i do miss more american muscle in the GT-series. and some german cars aswell....


and have any one of you ever tried to draw a car in 3D? i`ve just started but i`ll prolly need about a year to accomplish what the guys at PD do in one day. and it is ALOT easier just to move some polygons here and there then to build a completly new car....

Nope. I can't draw for s***.

 

[whitleyc]

THE MORE CARS THE BETTER!! WOOO HOOO!!!! sorry... but yeah. wouldnt yall wont more cars? i wouldnt care if the same car shows up twice. i mean there could be different mods u could put on it and those different mods may make a bit of difference. ya know?

 

[JohnBM01]

As Neanderthal or someone said, the Skyline and Siliva have so much history. And since the game is made by a Japanese developer, go fig. Can you trust a Japanese game maker to delve into the American auto culture with perfection? Can you trust an American game maker to delve into the Japanese auto culture with perfection (I said "perfection." That means no stereotypes or Hollywood-style drama)? Tokyo Xtreme Racer 3 had an old Pontiac Trans-Am, but it had about a 96 PS motor. To some, it's a shame to have an American classic with a low horsepower motor.

How many of you American car lovers think that the lack of more muscle cars and more American cars is a DISAPPOINTMENT for the Gran Turismo series? And if so, why? And if not, does it make a difference and/or are all of us American car afficionados just bickering and whining for more American machinery?

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

How many of you American car lovers think that the lack of more muscle cars and more American cars is a DISAPPOINTMENT for the Gran Turismo series? And if so, why? And if not, does it make a difference and/or are all of us American car afficionados just bickering and whining for more American machinery?

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I really think the lack of American and American Muscle car will be a REALLY big dissapointment for the Gran Turismo series for American car lovers! I think so because without them, Gran Turismo won't be able to attract new people who love American cars to buy the game. Even if they do, they will probably be getting bored using other cars other than American or the lower powered American cars. Those old classics is what I think should boost Gran Turismo 4's sales by ALOT if they really do have many of them in there. Just having those muscle cars will make GT4's image look alot better and will get people to talk more about the game to others to buy it. It can go like this:

"Gran Turismo 4 is the BEST MAN! GO GET IT!"
"Whats so good about it....."
"It got all these cars in it! Like over 500 cars!"
"Yea yea.. I bet the majority of the cars are those many variations of Japanese cars, bunch of European cars, bunch of other cars people wouldnt care about, and like very little American cars I dont care much for."
"But they have some American Muscles too! OLD SCHOOL!!!!"
"Wha....really? WOW REALLY?! GIVE ME YOUR GT4 OR ILL BEAT YOU THE OLD AMERICAN WAY!"

*GT4 owner runs in fear as the American Muscle fan chases him with a Plymouth Hemi Cuda*

I too find myself getting a bit bored of using a Japanese or European car most of the time in GT3. The only American car I actually used was the Corvette Z06!
I couldnt find any other American car that I could enjoy due to the lack of American cars compared to the others.

 

[98cobra]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I really think the lack of American and American Muscle car will be a REALLY big dissapointment for the Gran Turismo series for American car lovers! I think so because without them, Gran Turismo won't be able to attract new people who love American cars to buy the game. Even if they do, they will probably be getting bored using other cars other than American or the lower powered American cars. Those old classics is what I think should boost Gran Turismo 4's sales by ALOT if they really do have many of them in there. Just having those muscle cars will make GT4's image look alot better and will get people to talk more about the game to others to buy it. It can go like this:

"Gran Turismo 4 is the BEST MAN! GO GET IT!"
"Whats so good about it....."
"It got all these cars in it! Like over 500 cars!"
"Yea yea.. I bet the majority of the cars are those many variations of Japanese cars, bunch of European cars, bunch of other cars people wouldnt care about, and like very little American cars I dont care much for."
"But they have some American Muscles too! OLD SCHOOL!!!!"
"Wha....really? WOW REALLY?! GIVE ME YOUR GT4 OR ILL BEAT YOU THE OLD AMERICAN WAY!"

*GT4 owner runs in fear as the American Muscle fan chases him with a Plymouth Hemi Cuda*

I too find myself getting a bit bored of using a Japanese or European car most of the time in GT3. The only American car I actually used was the Corvette Z06!
I couldnt find any other American car that I could enjoy due to the lack of American cars compared to the others.

Right, to American fans it is a somewhat of a disappointment. That conversation you had Angel was very true. I actually used it with one of my friends and when I mentioned old school American cars he said he HAD to get this game. I think it'll definitely boost sales in America. With GT2, I think everyone was happy with the vast variety of cars to select and if you don't like them, don't drive them. I love the GT series and it does get kind of boring when you're American and there are quite few American cars to chose from; not just muscle cars, every kind of American car. But I think with GT4 PD will not disappoint. They are perfectionists and KY said he wants the latest GTs to be better than the previous versions. So good luck PD and the magic word is variety baby. 👍

 

[Victor Vance]

There is a total of 16 Miatas in Gran Turismo 3. There's one with a rollcage, three or four 'Vspec Limited' or somethign models, one with a spoiler ect. In all reality I'm pretty sure there's more Miatas in the game than thare are Legacys, Skylines or Lancers.

But no one ever mentions 'those 16 Miatas'. Maybe because you like need an Xoprt to get 9 or 10 of them?

 

[neanderthal]

to answer all and sundry.

i dont have any problems with people wanting certain cars. i do when they complain about other cars. i actually want to see more older european cars in the game, lotus cortinas, opels, sunbeams, alpines, etc. im not b!tching. i know i am going to be disappointed.

as for the whole muscle car thing. they really only go well in a straight line. not exactly what gt is about is it. get a clue. they can be modded to turn nicely but it involves replacing the entire suspension, but from the factory, they werent the best handlers. the newer Gmachines and track monsters can be quite fun, but they never left GM ford or chrysler like that. the few cars taht do( did) handle well are represented, the mustangs, camaros and corvettes of can am racing fame.

thats like me whining about mercedes and bws in a drag racing game. not really what they are designed and used for is it. same principle applies.

and ford did not use a V6 in 1970. straight six.

 

[Victor Vance]

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

I really think the lack of American and American Muscle car will be a REALLY big dissapointment for the Gran Turismo series for American car lovers! I think so because without them, Gran Turismo won't be able to attract new people who love American cars to buy the game. Even if they do, they will probably be getting bored using other cars other than American or the lower powered American cars. Those old classics is what I think should boost Gran Turismo 4's sales by ALOT if they really do have many of them in there. Just having those muscle cars will make GT4's image look alot better and will get people to talk more about the game to others to buy it. It can go like this:

"Gran Turismo 4 is the BEST MAN! GO GET IT!"
"Whats so good about it....."
"It got all these cars in it! Like over 500 cars!"
"Yea yea.. I bet the majority of the cars are those many variations of Japanese cars, bunch of European cars, bunch of other cars people wouldnt care about, and like very little American cars I dont care much for."
"But they have some American Muscles too! OLD SCHOOL!!!!"
"Wha....really? WOW REALLY?! GIVE ME YOUR GT4 OR ILL BEAT YOU THE OLD AMERICAN WAY!"

*GT4 owner runs in fear as the American Muscle fan chases him with a Plymouth Hemi Cuda*

I too find myself getting a bit bored of using a Japanese or European car most of the time in GT3. The only American car I actually used was the Corvette Z06!
I couldnt find any other American car that I could enjoy due to the lack of American cars compared to the others.

You've never driven/drifted a C4? Or a Z28? Shame on you, McA, they're wonderful cars. Except the Mustang. Nobody likes the mustang

 

[Victor Vance]

to answer all and sundry.

i dont have any problems with people wanting certain cars. i do when they complain about other cars. i actually want to see more older european cars in the game, lotus cortinas, opels, sunbeams, alpines, etc. im not b!tching. i know i am going to be disappointed.

as for the whole muscle car thing. they really only go well in a straight line. not exactly what gt is about is it. get a clue. they can be modded to turn nicely but it involves replacing the entire suspension, but from the factory, they werent the best handlers. the newer Gmachines and track monsters can be quite fun, but they never left GM ford or chrysler like that. the few cars taht do( did) handle well are represented, the mustangs, camaros and corvettes of can am racing fame.

thats like me whining about mercedes and bws in a drag racing game. not really what they are designed and used for is it. same principle applies.

and ford did not use a V6 in 1970. straight six.

Oh c'mon man, any RWD car with a [famine]archiac suspension[/famine] can be drifted. Why do burnouts when you could do even more?

 

[98cobra]

to answer all and sundry.
and ford did not use a V6 in 1970. straight six.

My fault.

 

[98cobra]

to answer all and sundry.

i dont have any problems with people wanting certain cars. i do when they complain about other cars. i actually want to see more older european cars in the game, lotus cortinas, opels, sunbeams, alpines, etc. im not b!tching. i know i am going to be disappointed.

as for the whole muscle car thing. they really only go well in a straight line. not exactly what gt is about is it. get a clue. they can be modded to turn nicely but it involves replacing the entire suspension, but from the factory, they werent the best handlers. the newer Gmachines and track monsters can be quite fun, but they never left GM ford or chrysler like that. the few cars taht do( did) handle well are represented, the mustangs, camaros and corvettes of can am racing fame.

thats like me whining about mercedes and bws in a drag racing game. not really what they are designed and used for is it. same principle applies.

Look, this arguing is going to go back and forth forever, but put yourself in my shoes being brought up on American cars and being a GT finatic. Wouldn't you want to see cars you adore and grew up on in your favorite game?

 

[JohnBM01]

Uh, you bring up a wonderful point, 98Cobra (before being slightly owned by neanderthal. All in good fun, of course!). I agree with Post #76 and what you said about the end. I mean, people won't like cars like the Dodge Neon SRT-4 (or ANY Neon for that matter), a Ford Focus, a Chevrolet Cavalier, or anything like that. America has them, and as I mentioned before, it's still American cars even if they aren't the big butt-haulers like a classic Cadillac El Dorado. In terms of American cars, I'll even want to race that Dodge Stratus from the long defunct North American Touring Car Championship, or the NATCC. Now, let's turn the tables here. Let's say GT4 had less Skylines and Silvias and Lancers. And instead of more of them, there are more American cars including classic muscle. And let's COMPLETELY change things by having Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, and Dodge all have NASCAR Stock Cars for all four makes. In this sense, would this mean too many American cars? And if so, how much is "just enough?" Or is there a such thing? GTPlanet, go for it!

 

[98cobra]

Uh, you bring up a wonderful point, 98Cobra (before being slightly owned by neanderthal. All in good fun, of course!). I agree with Post #76 and what you said about the end. I mean, people won't like cars like the Dodge Neon SRT-4 (or ANY Neon for that matter), a Ford Focus, a Chevrolet Cavalier, or anything like that. America has them, and as I mentioned before, it's still American cars even if they aren't the big butt-haulers like a classic Cadillac El Dorado. In terms of American cars, I'll even want to race that Dodge Stratus from the long defunct North American Touring Car Championship, or the NATCC. Now, let's turn the tables here. Let's say GT4 had less Skylines and Silvias and Lancers. And instead of more of them, there are more American cars including classic muscle. And let's COMPLETELY change things by having Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, and Dodge all have NASCAR Stock Cars for all four makes. In this sense, would this mean too many American cars? And if so, how much is "just enough?" Or is there a such thing? GTPlanet, go for it!

I don't want too much, but just enough. You know I want them equal, but I don't want 50 Vettes and Mustangs, just a few would satisfy me.

 

[_aj]

Uh, you bring up a wonderful point, 98Cobra (before being slightly owned by neanderthal. All in good fun, of course!). I agree with Post #76 and what you said about the end. I mean, people won't like cars like the Dodge Neon SRT-4 (or ANY Neon for that matter), a Ford Focus, a Chevrolet Cavalier, or anything like that. America has them, and as I mentioned before, it's still American cars even if they aren't the big butt-haulers like a classic Cadillac El Dorado. In terms of American cars, I'll even want to race that Dodge Stratus from the long defunct North American Touring Car Championship, or the NATCC. Now, let's turn the tables here. Let's say GT4 had less Skylines and Silvias and Lancers. And instead of more of them, there are more American cars including classic muscle. And let's COMPLETELY change things by having Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, and Dodge all have NASCAR Stock Cars for all four makes. In this sense, would this mean too many American cars? And if so, how much is "just enough?" Or is there a such thing? GTPlanet, go for it!

Well with most of them cars you mentioned you wouldn't enjoy racing around the many tracks as much as the NASCARS only mainly do ovals, sure they're good at it but hell does that get boring after like the first 2 laps or something. The old muscles are classic and I can see them being added due to GT now implementing drag racing where they thrive but on the track I don't think I'll really be attempting that, though I love the sound so some time trials for a laugh and to hear the sweet grumbles of them engines are a must.

I understand what people are saying but GT is all about racing, track racing at that and these wee Japanese and euro pocket rockets and such are exceptional at it and it makes it fun to throw a car round a corner on the raggid edge rather than lug a bus in at 20mph. As long as the muscle cars ain't paramount to the game I'll be happy as to me they'll be "toys" to use and throw around and admire, but I'll leave the racing to the expert handlers thanks.

 

[Dave A]

It's not like muscle cars are new to the GT series, they were fun in GT2, sure they couldn't handle well but they were a welcome addition and the muscle car races were good fun, so why say no to them and make a big deal about muscle cars being in GT4.

 

[TurboLevin2NV]

Well I'm fine with the fact that there are many variations of each car. I love having every generation of Lancer, of Skyline, I wouldn't want only the newest version of them.

As for the muscle cars.....yes I do want more too. They're put down so much, because "they're old" and "they handlez likez crapz"

I'll put it this way. Back in their day, muscle cars handled very well. But today, BECAUSE we have new tire, engine, suspension technology, they are seen as pieces of crap. Imagine a guy forty years from now, looking at the Noble M12 and Ferrari Challenge Stradale. He'll be saying the same thing: "Man, those cars handled like SHYT, how'd they drive those back then?"
Another thing: I can't count how many old school muscle cars I've seen that handle and keep pace with newer cars. If you put in a suspension kit, tires, and lightened them, they handle just as well, if not better than most cars.

Muscle cars should be appreciated....they're America's proud past. And plus think how much more of a challenge those cars are to drive. If you can drive THOSE fast, THAT is true skill. Even KY said that in a mag article.

Finishing up.....I'll just say that every car that gets into GT4, is good. The more the merrier. I'll drive anything, from a Fiat 500R to a Falken Skyline.

 

[Dave A]

Actually, 40 years from now modern day cars will still handle well, because the laws of physics can't be broken. However there may very well be a different method of transport that will replace the car which would offer far better control. Even back in their day muscle cars didn't handle particularly well, they had the same suspension that was on the lesser powerful non-muscle car ones, there were some good handlers back in the 60's and 70's, not up to todays cars but a damn sight better than muscle cars in general. But thats not the appeal of a muscle car, so anyone complaining about their lack of handling is missing the point.

 

[98cobra]

It's not like muscle cars are new to the GT series, they were fun in GT2, sure they couldn't handle well but they were a welcome addition and the muscle car races were good fun, so why say no to them and make a big deal about muscle cars being in GT4.

That's what I'm saying. And how can you not have muscle cars when there is a drag strip in the game?

 

[TurboLevin2NV]

^ Amen to that

 

[neanderthal]

I'll put it this way. Back in their day, muscle cars handled very well. But today, BECAUSE we have new tire, engine, suspension technology, they are seen as pieces of crap.
Another thing: I can't count how many old school muscle cars I've seen that handle and keep pace with newer cars. If you put in a suspension kit, tires, and lightened them, they handle just as well, if not better than most cars.

Muscle cars should be appreciated....they're America's proud past. And plus think how much more of a challenge those cars are to drive. If you can drive THOSE fast, THAT is true skill. Even KY said that in a mag article.

Finishing up.....I'll just say that every car that gets into GT4, is good. The more the merrier. I'll drive anything, from a Fiat 500R to a Falken Skyline.

ive edited the post to keep the relevant parts. most muscle cars did in fact have sorry handling. dont believe me? check out the offerings from europe in the late sixties early seventies. i submit the bmw 2002tii. it handled very well by comparison. of course it had disc brakes, independent suspension all round, front and rear swy bars and so on, but thats how it came from the factory. every single one did, those were not options.

i say most because most people tend to include corvettes, camaros and mustangs in the muscle car mix. technically the corvette is (was) a sportscar and the others are pony cars. those three could handle decently. not great but decently.

your chevelles, GTOs and galaxies were muscle cars. they had some sorry @ss handling. with todays suspension technology they can handle, but from the factory they really didnt handle well.

 

[98cobra]

ive edited the post to keep the relevant parts. most muscle cars did in fact have sorry handling. dont believe me? check out the offerings from europe in the late sixties early seventies. i submit the bmw 2002tii. it handled very well by comparison. of course it had disc brakes, independent suspension all round, front and rear swy bars and so on, but thats how it came from the factory. every single one did, those were not options.

i say most because most people tend to include corvettes, camaros and mustangs in the muscle car mix. technically the corvette is (was) a sportscar and the others are pony cars. those three could handle decently. not great but decently.

your chevelles, GTOs and galaxies were muscle cars. they had some sorry @ss handling. with todays suspension technology they can handle, but from the factory they really didnt handle well.

True statements. 👍 But you've got to remeber here in the US, we don't emphasize handling very much. It's all about straight line 1st, handling 2nd for muscle cars. Also in the muscle car wars in the US, were going crazy in competing with more power in larger engines; I guess they forgot about the handling.

 

[McLaren'sAngel]

True statements. 👍 But you've got to remeber here in the US, we don't emphasize handling very much. It's all about straight line 1st, handling 2nd for muscle cars. Also in the muscle car wars in the US, were going crazy in competing with more power in larger engines; I guess they forgot about the handling.

Hiya! Meow! (='.'=)

hmmm I dont think American muscle owners really care much for the handling or maybe they dont care AT ALL! THEY WANT TO EAT EVERYTHING STRAIGHT AND DEAD!

 

[Mr. McShake]

as it's been said. there were muscle cars in GT2 so why not in GT4. when i started getting into racing i bought GT2 rather then GT3 because it had muscle cars in it.

it's also been said that the GT series isn't just about racing. that it's a driving sim. that's why it has those little K cars that only have 60 hp. if those can be in GT games why not have more muscle cars. i'm sure a lot more people will drive muscle cars then the 60 hp cars.

 

[JohnBM01]

I seen the Goodwood Festival of Speed circuit race featuring classic European cars. I seen a bunch of big, long cars, and among others... a Mini Cooper. This race in question is a Touring Car race featuring 1950s and 1906s cars, I believe. So if they can do the Goodwood Circuit, perhaps the same can be said about America's big cars. The American cars in question are basically high-horsepower toys that hae stump-pulling HPs. Funny enough, I seen a bit of the movie "Selena." In one scene, I think a car was out of gas or something, and this dude with a muscle car (or was it a lowrider?), used this V8-powered beast to try to tow the dead car. Didn't see what else happened, but yeah. Most Americans love their horsepower. Some like the American roar.

You know, I normally like to consider other people's interests. So in that sense, I'm actually pretty concerned about you American car fans. I normally want to try to bond with my community. I know that you can't please everyone. While typing up this reply, I'm about to play Gran Turismo 2 to prove my points. Anyhow, I look at GT2. I can see Ford, Shelby, Dodge, Chevrolet, Plymouth, Vector, and Acura (anyone ever notice the little background for "South City" kind of looks like Detroit? North City looks like London? West City looks like Rome? East City looks like Tokyo?). Anyhow, you can get a Charger or a Challenger from Dodge. You can get some nice Corvettes and a classic Camaro from Chevrolet. Ford and Shelby have Mustangs. Of course if you don't like Mustangs but still like classic cars, perhaps your bread and butter is the Mercury Cougar XR-7 from 1967. Plymouth is all classic muscle except for that PT Spyder concept. The "Muscle Car" is a Plymouth Road Runner. To me, I think American people will have the issue of not seeing more American cars represented. But back to the subject. Can GT4 have fewer Japanese cars and still make American car fans happy? One thing I normally like to say is that "you can't please everyone." So if a Japanese car lover doesn't see more Japanese cars and is instead bombarded with American muscle, I think the Japanese car fan will either have to adjust, or petition for more Japanese cars. But the question again. Can GT4 have fewer Japanese cars and more American cars and still make American car fans happy?

 

[k2racer]

first I am european (Belgium) and we had a american car party here somewhere on one of our beloved circuits.

Because of this, on the roads around my hometown (crossing the border from the Netherlands towards Belgium) I saw a lot of muscle cars.

John, it was a nice change from the regular!!

But why do we on the european continent never complain about to much or to few of japanese, american or european cars? Is it because were in between and we see the three categories everyday?

I do not mind seeing a lot of evo's, miata's or american cars based on a single model.

It is strange though that it does hardly affect european brands. The reason for it could be that the japanese do not change the name of the following models which are actually brand new cars. They just keep the name for? Yes for what, sales?