60-80k budget, What to buy?

[Master_Yoda]

Well a later NSX can do 12.7's down 400M's then swing around the first corner leaving many fast cars in its dust.

When Top Gear did the test between the nations best car and stuff...
It was the Z06 for the Americans, NSX for the Japanese, some TVR for UK, I forget the others..
NSX placed 2nd behind the TVR...

So NSX isn't a slow car down the straight.. definatly alot faster then the touring wagon.. And remember the NSX is considered a super car...

 

[Onikaze]

Well, was considered a super car.

These days, you can buy a Sedan which will embarrass it in every way, so it's back to being a Sports Car.

 

[superfast]

When Top Gear did the test between the nations best car and stuff...
It was the Z06 for the Americans, NSX for the Japanese, some TVR for UK, I forget the others..
NSX placed 2nd behind the TVR...

So NSX isn't a slow car down the straight.. definatly alot faster then the touring wagon.. And remember the NSX is considered a super car...

Your right. And there really wouldn't be an issue with finding someone to service it. Well, was considered a super car.

These days, you can buy a Sedan which will embarrass it in every way, so it's back to being a Sports Car.

I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy about paying for an NSX and getting walked by an E55.


Oh, and by the way, I really liked what Carl did by putting up a picture. If you can, I would appreciate pix.

 

[TwinTurboJay]

Cayman S ?

 

[superfast]

Cayman S ?

Yeah, that or the Boxster S, depending on if he wanted a droptop.

 

[Jay]

I'm sure he wouldn't be too happy about paying for an NSX and getting walked by an E55.

Yeah, that or the Boxster S, depending on if he wanted a droptop.

The Boxster S would also get walked by a E55.

Its ok not need to reply I get the point, I personally would go for the Cayman S over the Boxster S.

 

[IMADreamer]

When Top Gear did the test between the nations best car and stuff...
It was the Z06 for the Americans, NSX for the Japanese, some TVR for UK, I forget the others..
NSX placed 2nd behind the TVR...

So NSX isn't a slow car down the straight.. definatly alot faster then the touring wagon.. And remember the NSX is considered a super car...

You know Top Gear is horribly bias right? I mean I like the show as much as the next guy but if you look at lap times of the different cars at the Ring or other places the Z06 makes those other cars look silly. That is if we are talking about the C6 anyway.

Also keep in mind the NSX is NOT a super car by todays standards. In 1992, yes it was, it was revolutionary, exotic, and kind of out there which basically is the definition of a super car. By 2006 standards it's just some where in the sports car pack with the Z06s, 911s, Ferrari 355s and so on. Try to remeber to keep things in prospective to modern times. For someone looking for some top of the line fun on an 80k budget the NSX should be pretty far down the list.

 

[Jay]

You know Top Gear is horribly bias right? I mean I like the show as much as the next guy but if you look at lap times of the different cars at the Ring or other places the Z06 makes those other cars look silly. That is if we are talking about the C6 anyway.

You have not seen how the C6 Z06 done on the Top gear test track?

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

Not bad I must say.

 

[Master_Yoda]

Well, was considered a super car.

These days, you can buy a Sedan which will embarrass it in every way, so it's back to being a Sports Car.

If so, then you are also taking away pretty much all classic super cars...

Like the Lamborghini Muira..

O and the Lamborghini Murcielago, the Mitsubishi Evo VIII has a better time around the track, you can complain if it was wet or not, they both have AWD, so it wouldn't matter.

AND car officialists, or what you want to call them. Call the NSX "The Honda Supercar"

Show we somewere that it says the Honda NSX is no longer a super car...

 

[Jim Prower]

Perhaps he should think about an old car. Sure, they're not AS fast, and they often need a bit more work...but the value appreciates, instead of depreciating. And, you get more thumbs-up in one of those than many newer supercars.

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

The Z06 is quite simply the best "bang for the buck" Its a shame he doesnt want one. He could buy the Z06 and have money left for upgrades.

 

[McLaren]

If so, then you are also taking away pretty much all classic super cars...

Like the Lamborghini Muira..

O and the Lamborghini Murcielago, the Mitsubishi Evo VIII has a better time around the track, you can complain if it was wet or not, they both have AWD, so it wouldn't matter.

AND car officialists, or what you want to call them. Call the NSX "The Honda Supercar"

Show we somewere that it says the Honda NSX is no longer a super car...

The Miura is a classic supercar today.

And you do know the FQ400 didn't exactly beat it by that much. I think I even remember them saying on the straights, it belonged to Lamborghini. And it's not surprising. The 440 is suspension tuned and lighter.

The NSX isn't a supercar anymore. It never was. With 280Bhp, it was a sports car. The NSX-R '02 was the same, a classic sports car with suspension tuned, and a small power increase.

Also, the NSX was called "The Ferrari of Japan." Labeling it as Honda's supercar isn't really fair considering it was the 1st car like that out of Honda.

 

[IMADreamer]

You have not seen how the C6 Z06 done on the Top gear test track?

http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/

Not bad I must say.

That is impressive. I only got to see part of that episode. I was just impressed that it was faster then a trail of burning petro. Also that it would do 170+ starting in 5th gear.

I think the Stig's lap times are accurate but when they do comparos of cars they are horribly biased. The Brit car always wins, then everything else, then American. They are just like the rest of the world who thinks it's cool to bash everything American made. Well those lap times prove the Z06 is one hell of a car. It's worth noting to people like Master Yoda that the closest NSX is 9 second back of the Z06. If the NSX is a super car the Z06 is too then.

 

[Onikaze]

Well, considering when the NSX was new, the Supercars of the time, the 288 GTO, the F40, the Diablo, the Countach, the Mclaren F1, the Ruf CTR, all laughed at it and kicked sand in it's face, it was never a Supercar.

Just a really nice Sports car that competed with Ferrari's V-8 Sports Cars. Not that I don't think an early NSX would be a great choice for him, he could spend $35-$40k and get an excellent condition car, low mileage, and he will have a blast in it.

 

[YSSMAN]

Again, if this was 1991, go for the NSX. Ohhh wait, whats that? Chevrolet is still building the faster, cheaper, and argueably better looking Corvette ZR-1?

God damn! Chevrolet loves to rain on Honda's parade!!!

 

[GM]

NSX's are very rare, so they'll be expensive, a Covette is much cheaper, but I'd still rarther get an NSX

 

[Roo]

NSX vs Corvette arguments aside, as we already know that neither are wanted, I reckon it'll be down to the 4200, XKR (if he doesn't mind second hand), or some sort of Porsche.

Or what about a brand new Shelby GT500? They're about $40-50k (off the top of my head).

Or maybe you could track down a Maserati 3200, older but with much better tail lights (I know, like that matters, but still):

 

[Poverty]

In some more recent tests the Z06 hasnt faired all that good, this was a test against a 997 TT, F430 and Gallardo.

 

[Danny]

It's still a fine tool.

 

[TwinTurboJay]

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[Onikaze]

In some more recent tests the Z06 hasnt faired all that good, this was a test against a 997 TT, F430 and Gallardo.

Nonetheless, I'd think Chevy would be honored to have a lowly Corvette compared against the likes of a Super Porsche, the latest Ferrari V-8, and a Lambor-freakin-ghini.

Though, I'm pretty sure it's quicker than all of those off the line, and in an unbiased test I'd think only the F430 and TT would pip it around a track.

 

[Tornado]

Again, if this was 1991, go for the NSX. Ohhh wait, whats that? Chevrolet is still building the faster, cheaper, and argueably better looking Corvette ZR-1?
God damn! Chevrolet loves to rain on Honda's parade!!!

The problem was though (as it is today for many), that you were still essentially paying $70,000 for a Corvette. And I'm quite sure it would have been very hard to actually find one for 70k, because most were sold closer to 100k due to dealer mark up. Additionally, the ZR-1 wasn't faster in any way than the NSX until '93. Besides, the NSX outhandled it (as great a handling car as the Corvette was, it was simply too heavy) and was far easier to service.

Well, considering when the NSX was new, the Supercars of the time, the 288 GTO, the F40, the Diablo, the Countach, the Mclaren F1, the Ruf CTR, all laughed at it and kicked sand in it's face, it was never a Supercar.

The only ones that actually sold when the NSX was were the McLaren F1 (which cost anywhere from 750k to 1.25 million during it's life time) and Lamborghini Diablo (which had 4WD, 400+ BHP and a 250k price tag), which isn't exactly a fair comparison considering the car was designed to be better than the Porsche 964, Ferrari 348 and Lotus Esprit Turbo.
However, I will be fair. The NSX was never a supercar. It was merely whatever you could call a V8 powered Ferrari, and by 1995 you could get better car for you money (namely, Porsche 993 and Ferrari F355).

In some more recent tests the Z06 hasnt faired all that good, this was a test against a 997 TT, F430 and Gallardo.

The Gallardo is a joke. The Z06 is not slower than it in anyway. I would believe the other two, though.

 

[Onikaze]

The 288, Countach, F40, and CTR were contemporary though, they could be found on the road, and were all the top of the Supercar heap til the Mccy came around.

The NSX was never even on the Supercar heap, it was, and always has been, an excellent sports car, but HORRIBLY overpriced, if the NSX had been half the price, it would have been the bargain of the decade.

 

[Tornado]

The 288, Countach, F40, and CTR were contemporary though, they could be found on the road, and were all the top of the Supercar heap til the Mccy came around.

They all cost twice (or 4 times as much, in the case of the Ferrari's, which were homologation specials anyways) as much. And I'm quite sure that the NSX was nearly as fast as the Countach anyways, not to mention not put together like ass like every Lambo until the Diablo.

The NSX was never even on the Supercar heap, it was, and always has been, an excellent sports car, but HORRIBLY overpriced, if the NSX had been half the price, it would have been the bargain of the decade.

I would agree that it was overpriced in the end, but in all honesty, for the first three-to-five years or so, it was a rediculous value. Think about it, it cost half as much as the Ferrari 348 and was faster in every way (and not such a horrible put together car, or a haven of bad driving tendencies such as snap oversteer). It cost about as much as the Porsche 964 Carrera, but was faster in every way (and more driver oriented, as was the curse of the 964: a crappy cabin); and as just as fast as the Lotus Esprit, and just as expensive, but not anywheres near as unreliable.

 

[Onikaze]

I just never considered a $70-$80k NSX anything resembling a bargain.

Wasn't fast enough to justify the price, yeah the supercars cost more, but besides the Countach's iffy quality, they were still all significantly faster.

In the sports car market, yeah it was cheaper than the V-8 Ferrari's and the 964, but if it had been cheaper than it was, or faster than it was, it could have taken over the market instead of being an interesting footnote.

Now, they hold their value annoyingly well. I say annoyingly, because for $30k I would consider a 3-5 year old NSX an awesome purchase.

 

[IMADreamer]

The problem was though (as it is today for many), that you were still essentially paying $70,000 for a Corvette. And I'm quite sure it would have been very hard to actually find one for 70k, because most were sold closer to 100k due to dealer mark up. Additionally, the ZR-1 wasn't faster in any way than the NSX until '93. Besides, the NSX outhandled it (as great a handling car as the Corvette was, it was simply too heavy) and was far easier to service.

The only ones that actually sold when the NSX was were the McLaren F1 (which cost anywhere from 750k to 1.25 million during it's life time) and Lamborghini Diablo (which had 4WD, 400+ BHP and a 250k price tag), which isn't exactly a fair comparison considering the car was designed to be better than the Porsche 964, Ferrari 348 and Lotus Esprit Turbo.
However, I will be fair. The NSX was never a supercar. It was merely whatever you could call a V8 powered Ferrari, and by 1995 you could get better car for you money (namely, Porsche 993 and Ferrari F355).

The Gallardo is a joke. The Z06 is not slower than it in anyway. I would believe the other two, though.

I do think they are fair comparisons though and it's not because of the price. It's because people like Master Yoda and others still throw the "super car" tag around when talking about the NSX. If you are going to call it a super car then compare it with other super cars regardless of price.

 

[Tornado]

I do think they are fair comparisons though and it's not because of the price. It's because people like Master Yoda and others still throw the "super car" tag around when talking about the NSX. If you are going to call it a super car then compare it with other super cars regardless of price.

However, you missed something:

The only ones that actually sold when the NSX was were the McLaren F1 (which cost anywhere from 750k to 1.25 million during it's life time) and Lamborghini Diablo (which had 4WD, 400+ BHP and a 250k price tag), which isn't exactly a fair comparison considering the car was designed to be better than the Porsche 964, Ferrari 348 and Lotus Esprit Turbo.
However, I will be fair. The NSX was never a supercar. It was merely whatever you could call a V8 powered Ferrari, and by 1995 you could get better car for you money (namely, Porsche 993 and Ferrari F355).

Or maybe you could track down a Maserati 3200, older but with much better tail lights (I know, like that matters, but still)

They never sold the 3200 in the U.S., and it really wasn't a very good car because it still used the de Tamaso-age "Biturbo" V8.

 

[JCE]

Ferrari 355 F1 > NSX in every concievable way.
Porsche 993 > NSX in every possible way.

Game. Set. Match.

 

[IMADreamer]

However, you missed something:
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No I caught that but I was just pointing out that if others are going to call it a super car then lets compare it to super cars.

 

[Tornado]

Ferrari 355 F1 > NSX in every concievable way.
Porsche 993 > NSX in every possible way.
Game. Set. Match.

But three years before, in must be said:
Ferrari 348 GTB < NSX in every concievable way.
Porsche 964 < NSX in more-or-less every possible way.