Sports Cars 85th Running Of The 24 Hours Of Le Mans, 17-18 June 2017

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  1. Nielsen

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    Is there any proof that Toyota's clutch died because of the situation caused by the enthusiastic LMP2 driver? I keep thinking that Toyota might have been a little creative in placing the blame because it's more convenient for them.

    I agree that GTE shouldn't be subject to BoP.
     
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    Speaking of BOP, no one is really talking about the fact that the ACO's computer generated BOP will now be in play. Will the GTE teams finally just drop the act and go all out, or will they somehow collectively do a DDOS attack on the ACO?
     
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    If GTE didn't have BoP it'd be like late 90's GT1 which would seem great for s year or two but then somebody would streamroller it one year and then everybody else would leave.
     
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  4. mustafur

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    Atleast then it would have a point, I'm not a fan of catchup races myself.
     
  5. JayOTT

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    I'd be in favour of removing the BoP in the GTE class, as long as they didn't make development too much of a free for all and kept some areas spec to keep costs in check. The old Super Touring cars that the BTCC used in the 90's struck a good balance between keeping the competition close whilst letting innovation be rewarded, and it's just a shame it became unsustainable at the turn of the millennium.

    Those who like the BoP system would still have GT3 (though that category has problems of it's own right now coughBlancpainStewardscough).
     
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    The problem with that is Super Touring had BoP and the costs went out of control, but it was epic while it lasted.
     
  7. JayOTT

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    I'm just going off of what I've read about the subject rather than personal memory since I was too young at the time. But I was under the impression that any BoP that existed in Super Touring was less strict than it is in modern GTE and GT3.

    Just as an example, the 4WD Audi A4 driven by Frank Biela easily won the 1996 BTCC with only minor weight penalties applied throughout the season, and it was only in 1997 that the foot was put down and major weight penalties were given to Audi. Which then allowed Alain Menu in the Renault Laguna to dominate 1997, and parity wasn't truly regained at the pointy end until 1998.
     
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  8. Tired Tyres

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    GTE doesn't need BoP. It just needs to comply with the technical regulations with NO waivers.

    Oh and Hour 9 is now available to watch again on the WEC website and the App.
     
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  9. daan

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    So a class finishes a 24 hour race with 5 different manufacturers in the top 5, and all of whom were pretty much on the same lap, in a 24 hour race, and folk are complaining that it's a bit crap?
     
  10. trustjab

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    Why lie about it when there's footage? He went after the 'fake marshal' gave him the thumbs up.
     
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  11. Nielsen

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    My point was that the footage may have inspired Toyota to give the explanation they did. What if Kobayashi's reaction to the fake marshall was repeated 100 times? Would we end up with more than 90 broken clutches then?
     
  12. Tired Tyres

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    Why would they make something up like that? There is NOTHING to hide. It's an endurance race. Things can and will go wrong during them.

    Driver are TOLD to take direct marshal instructions over and above electronic signals.

    The greatest load on a clutch is starting. It's the reason given for World Touring Car races have one standing start and one rolling start. They don't trust the clutch to last two standing starts.
     
  13. Nielsen

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    I'm not accusing Toyota of lying. I was just wondering if they jumped to conclusions that don't involve faults of their own.

    I'll take this as an answer to my previous question. I wasn't aware that the technology used is so extremely fragile.
     
  14. Tired Tyres

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    The Toyota team have the data on the car. Loads of it. Across multiple personnel and multiple screens. That was part of the problem with the #8. The driver reported a problem but the team couldn't see anything in data. If any of them had looked up at the TV they would have seen smoke coming out of the back of the car.

    It's not that the clutch is weak as such, it's the load that goes through it and also cutting back as much weight from everything possible to make the car as light as you can.
     
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  15. Scuderia Paul

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    Toyota confirm that it received an apology from Vincent Capillaire and they consider the matter closed.

    Source
     
  16. [Nor]MclarenF1

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    Fair and square from Toyota there.