97th Indianapolis 500 - May 26th 2013

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-Fred-
You would have to be absolutely bonkers straitjacket mad to even imagine someone would crash on purpose at Indy, one of the fastest and most dangerous place anywhere on this planet.
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Not if you take a gentile angle into the wall. Did you not hear Dario?

LMSCorvetteGT2
Plenty, go watch racing. As a nascar fan you see it all the time it just called being loose, no reason to act ignorant.
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TODAY'S race!

NASCAR drivers hit the wall when there is damage to a tire and such. Not just "under steer". Indy cars don't have brakes I guess. :dopey:
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Guess you didn't read either, cause we did. We just decided to show you the word 'some' doesn't mean minimal like you think. As for the steering issue it is called

Under Steer

You might wanna repeat it, relish it and then research it.
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Then that is understeer I have never seen before. He was doomed before the race restarted.
 
DaveTheStalker
Not if you take a gentile angle into the wall. Did you not hear Dario?




TODAY'S race!

NASCAR drivers hit the wall when there is damage to a tire and such. Not just "under steer". Indy cars don't have brakes I guess. :dopey:
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Nascar drivers don't hit the wall due to damage, when you see a driver run up into the wall and scrape it or bounce off it hard, the car isn't turning and thus is pushing against where the driver wants it. Thus you have understeer, if you want more lessons I think IZOD actually has a video that will teach you the basics. Also what would breaking do at 220mph exactly??? Just curious where you learned about racing and what not


Edit: Also note my post should have said tight not loose.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Nascar drivers don't hit the wall due to damage, when you see a driver run up into the wall and scrape it or bounce off it hard, the car isn't turning and thus is pushing against where the driver wants it. Thus you have understeer, if you want more lessons I think IZOD actually has a video that will teach you the basics. Also what would breaking do at 220mph exactly??? Just curious where you learned about racing and what not

Edit: Also note my post should have said tight not loose.
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What? Seriously? What? NASCAR drivers don't hit the wall due to damage? Huh?

Have you EVER watched a NASCAR race? Have you ever seen a car fail to turn (or even snap loose) because of a punctured tire or brake failure (such as at Martinsville a few weeks ago)? I am not even going to address the rest of your comment.
 
You are absolutely insane. You see understeer all the time in a NASCAR race and it has even made for wrecks yet for some reason when it happens in another series outside NASCAR, its somehow not right.

Also, not every series needs a Green-White-Checkers. Just because it works in NASCAR doesn't mean it works in every series.

LMSCorvetteGT2
Also what would breaking do at 220mph exactly??? Just curious where you learned about racing and what not
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Going off James Hinchcliff not being to keep off the car from sliding even when letting off the throttle, I doubt brakes would help.
 
DaveTheStalker
What? Seriously? What? NASCAR drivers don't hit the wall due to damage? Huh?

Have you EVER watched a NASCAR race? Have you ever seen a car fail to turn (or even snap loose) because of a punctured tire or brake failure (such as at Martinsville a few weeks ago)? I am not even going to address the rest of your comment.
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I've probably watched more racing than you, also you aren't going to address the rest because you simply can't. You're the one making stupid assertions as if they are absolutes. Isn't it time for you to go play guess that vinyl on a thread that no one really cares to play the game, cause you aren't doing yourself any favors here with the lot.

The Nascar G-W-C isn't even that great it's artificial and doesn't fully prevent races finishing via caution. Unless you have actual evidence that proves understeer wasn't the culprit that affected many today, then please just stop.

HaylRayzor
Thanks for destroying the thread guys.

Can you take your kindergarten slap-fight offline?
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So us defending a series that we obviously watch more than some loon, that probably just comes around for the 500. Is a kindergarten slap fight? Also the race is over, the thread is done...unless you were planning to carry it on and change the name to 98th Indy 500 in 11 months...
 
Last year's race seemed pretty boring until the last 40 minutes or so, which was awesome. This year's started off a lot better, but got kinda bleh towards the end.


I dunno.
 
RACECAR
You are absolutely insane. You see understeer all the time in a NASCAR race and it has even made for wrecks yet for some reason when it happens in another series outside NASCAR, its somehow not right.

Also, not every series needs a Green-White-Checkers. Just because it works in NASCAR doesn't mean it works in every series.

Going off James Hinchcliff not being to keep off the car from sliding even when letting off the throttle, I doubt brakes would help.
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Really? You like seeing a 3 hour race end under parade laps?

And yes, I know Cup cars can be,as we call it, "tight" and "slide up the hill" from the bottom to the middle. How often do we see a car go from the bottom straight to the wall simply from under steer that was actually present the whole race? If a driver is "riding the rail" and gets tighter, this would lead to a "Darlington Stripe". But not complete loss of front grip. Unless the front tires with no grip are being pushed beyond their limit.

Even I know, if tires have no grip, you can't take turns at 225mph. If they can't take a turn at 190, slow down even more! It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Unless there was a mechanical (tire, suspension, wing or brake failure), Dario was completely at fault. If he didn't know to slow down more, he shouldn't be behind the wheel.
 
DaveTheStalker
Not if you take a gentle angle into the wall. Did you not hear Dario?
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At a gentle angle, there is a risk that a wheel might come loose and hit the driver's head. It might serve you well if you brush up on your grasp of physics.
 
I'm sorry, but:

DaveTheStalker
I'm sure we have all over cooked it into the wall because we over drive the front tires. We are just stupid gamers, he is a highly paid professional. A puncture would've been acceptable. He did NOT have a puncture though.
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DaveTheStalker
Unless there was a mechanical (tire, suspension, wing or brake failure), Dario was completely at fault. If he didn't know to slow down more, he shouldn't be behind the wheel.
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It's just too rich, saying that these are highly paid professionals and we have no basis to judge what happens; then turning around and dictating who should or shouldn't be behind the wheel based on your interpretation of what happened.
 
DK
At a gentle angle, there is a risk that a wheel might come loose and hit the driver's head. It might serve you well if you brush up on your grasp of physics.
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Did it happen? You might want to brush up on reality.

Tornado
I'm sorry, but:

It's just too rich, saying that these are highly paid professionals and we have no basis to judge what happens; then turning around and dictating who should or shouldn't be behind the wheel based on your interpretation of what happened.
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Shouldn't they know better being that we, who are paid nothing, even know to slow down?
 
DaveTheStalker
Shouldn't they know better being that we, who are paid nothing, even know to slow down?
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Perhaps. Shouldn't have based your argument around how we're laymen who wouldn't know the proper way to deal with that situation, then; because it automatically sinks any argument where you try to say what he should have done instead.
 
DaveTheStalker
Did it happen? You might want to brush up on reality.


Shouldn't they know better being that we, who are paid nothing, even know to slow down?
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You are as bad as ICEYOU on the nascar thread. What he was saying -pay attention here- is that if he hit the wall at a gentle angle the wheel would have had the ability to go up and toward the driver cockpit. Not what you're thinking which seems to be that the wheel would have randomly come off at the driver. The fact that it didn't happen shows that car was that hard to control and he couldn't turn it. You acting as if a brakes are going to stop the momentum of a car doing 220mph from a wall that is only a handful off feet away is laughable, no sport has a car that does that, and even if the car had brakes applied their is a thing called lock-up.
 
Glad to see Tony take the win, even if it was under caution. He's been working at it for years.
 
Whats laughable is that he thinks a highly paid racing driver would put his life on the line for someone else. Ignore list for him I think..
 
Dario was completely at fault. If he didn't know to slow down more, he shouldn't be behind the wheel.
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"Oh hey, let's slam the brakes on a 1-groove race track and hope the guy directly behind me doesn't plow into the back of me!"

:rolleyes:
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
You are as bad as ICEYOU on the nascar thread. What he was saying -pay attention here- is that if he hit the wall at a gentle angle the wheel would have had the ability to go up and toward the driver cockpit. Not what you're thinking which seems to be that the wheel would have randomly come off at the driver. The fact that it didn't happen shows that car was that hard to control and he couldn't turn it. You acting as if a brakes are going to stop the momentum of a car doing 220mph from a wall that is only a handful off feet away is laughable, no sport has a car that does that, and even if the car had brakes applied their is a thing called lock-up.
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If Dario's car had been under steering all day, he had no business trying to run at full speed, all day. The brakes should've been applied king before he was in the turn. You do know that they are perfectly able to apply the brakes any time they wish, right? Unless, the brakes are failing. Do you seriously believe that I think once a car is sliding, applying the brakes would help? Dude, I live in Michigan. We have this stuff called "snow", it's very slippery. Hitting the brakes while sliding is too late.

Speaking of brakes... F1 SPOILER!!!!!



Massa was taken to the hospital after he hit the wall hard entering turn 1 at Monaco. He had the brakes locked up and couldn't turn. This was not the case with Dario.

Dario had a brain & gas pedal problem. He failed to lift his foot from it soon enough. Dario could've moved to the side and ran by himself. Or even pitted the car if it was not drivable.
 
MildAshers
Dude. Stop. Your making yourself look silly.
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Because I am clarifying the misunderstanding and misrepresentation of what I said. Yeah ok.

All of the computer data Indy allows teams to gather would prove whether Dario tanked it or not. Data that will never go public.

Nonetheless, I'm happy for TK to get this win. Hopefully he won't retire and will win it under green next year.
 
DaveTheStalker
If Dario's car had been under steering all day, he had no business trying to run at full speed, all day. The brakes should've been applied king before he was in the turn. You do know that they are perfectly able to apply the brakes any time they wish, right? Unless, the brakes are failing. Do you seriously believe that I think once a car is sliding, applying the brakes would help? Dude, I live in Michigan. We have this stuff called "snow", it's very slippery. Hitting the brakes while sliding is too late.

Speaking of brakes... F1 SPOILER!!!!!



Massa was taken to the hospital after he hit the wall hard entering turn 1 at Monaco. He had the brakes locked up and couldn't turn. This was not the case with Dario.

Dario had a brain & gas pedal problem. He failed to lift his foot from it soon enough. Dario could've moved to the side and ran by himself. Or even pitted the car if it was not drivable.
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Yeah I watched the F1 race, also I'm sure he ran full out due to it being the end of the race just to try and gain more. You know they don't all live for indy 500 day, there is a championship they are going for believe it or not. Also there is in car telemetry to show that Dario lifted plenty of times and it was more likely that due to being the end of the race and trying to gain more, he went for it. It ended up going all wrong as many others showed us.

Also there is plenty of F1 data that doesn't go public, as well as nascar, DTM, V8 supercars, WTCC should I continue? There is no reason for competitive telemetry to be out in the public just to ease the swelling your tin foil hat is causing. At the end of the day Kanaan was the fastest guy out there for most of the day, if it weren't for the fact that he was up front all day long and easily ran in the lead when he wanted, there would be a sliver to agree with you. However, the fact stands he was very fast, he didn't just luck into the position and then have this conspiracy unfold. It's quite disrespectful to think that a man that lead almost all the indy 500 races he's been in and had a chance to win many of them would cheat to finally win, it is quite shameful on your part.

Anyways I'm moving on I've more than proved I'm right and so have others. It's time for Nascar.
 
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Last laps of the Indy 500 you are gonna push. Dario was complaining about his car all race. It was a crash.

Well done to Tk :cheers:
 
Well, this thread went downhill extremely quickly.

Good to see Kanaan finally get the victory in the 500, but it was really difficult to root for a driver to win because there were so many potential first-time winners in the top ten for most of the race.
 
GTPorsche
Well, this thread went downhill extremely quickly.

Good to see Kanaan finally get the victory in the 500, but it was really difficult to root for a driver to win because there were so many potential first-time winners in the top ten for most of the race.
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Yeah, I had a hard time rooting for either an American Indy 500 winner, a famous name (Andretti, Rahal) or someone else. Only downside of having more then one favorite driver: Too damn many to choose from :lol:
 
GTPorsche
Well, this thread went downhill extremely quickly.

Good to see Kanaan finally get the victory in the 500, but it was really difficult to root for a driver to win because there were so many potential first-time winners in the top ten for most of the race.
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I have been rooting for Andretti for years. I was determined today was the day he was going to win but it didn't happen. All the first times winners in the Top-5 was awesome. Imagine if a rookie won the 500?

TK deserved it. One of the best cars won the race.
 
Franchitti didnt just understeer into the wall when he crashed, he was up in the grey way out of the groove where there was no grip. Also if he was ordered to crash they're quick because he crashed just seconds after Kanaan took the lead. If Im traveling 200mph+ and Im ordered to crash Im going to have to at least think about how to do it for a while. I cant imagine anyone with any brain ramming a wall at 200mph instantly once someone takes a lead.

I think this was the last year we will see racing that close. The cars are still spec outside of the engine. But next year the aero kits will debut at the 500 so I dont think we'll ever see racing this close again for a long time. It was fun, but once technology and innovation starts advancing in the new cars, as it should, there wont be nearly as many lead changes etc.

I didnt mind the pack racing at all, because the drivers still were challenged as evident by the incidents we saw. It was a perfect day weather wise for racing so all the grip from that helped
 

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