A GT veteran, past her prime... or so I feel.

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I mostly ask after the race, to see if it was deliberate. But most of the time, people quickly leave lobbies, especially in dailies.

Easier to assume guilt while they're still in the race then?

Everything you've said points to you using contact as a tool to improve position, whether they hit you first or not. That isn't an aggressive driving style, it's a dirty driving style. Once you make make deliberate contact, you've crossed the line into dirty driving and taking advantage of deliberate contact is as dirty as dirty gets.

So you know, deliberate bump passing hasn't been used in touring cars for a lot of years. It turned the racing ugly as well as expensive so they outlawed it. They were lucky though. Those cars have a little impact protection to cushion the shunts slightly while GTS's cars are 100% solid and bounce off each other in an exaggerated way.

Good luck with the clean driving anyway. Hopefully, your angry rivals won't have too long a memory.
 
Easier to assume guilt while they're still in the race then?

Everything you've said points to you using contact as a tool to improve position, whether they hit you first or not. That isn't an aggressive driving style, it's a dirty driving style. Once you make make deliberate contact, you've crossed the line into dirty driving and taking advantage of deliberate contact is as dirty as dirty gets.

So you know, deliberate bump passing hasn't been used in touring cars for a lot of years. It turned the racing ugly as well as expensive so they outlawed it. They were lucky though. Those cars have a little impact protection to cushion the shunts slightly while GTS's cars are 100% solid and bounce off each other in an exaggerated way.

Good luck with the clean driving anyway. Hopefully, your angry rivals won't have too long a memory.

Okay, so I guess small taps are as much of a crime as plainly pit maneuovering or shunting someone to a wall here; point taken.

As I said, I've moved on and accepted the criticism, but it just seems exagerated to me. Just my opinion. I have had retaliation in mid race after taps, and I haven't gotten mad unless I receive a downright shunt; seeing as how I'm not going out there to punt people off the road. But hey, it is what it is.
 
Calling b.s. on your explanation of your poor SR ranking.

You don’t get SR down for tapping someone from behind - they do. You get SR down for causing racing incidents.

An SR of B and a DR of A tells me clear as day you’re finishing high by being a dirty racer, and I would personally love to see your KudosPrime, I’m sure it would corroborate my theory.
this.
yep it's different from GT6 racing because it was disgusting lobby races mainly, with even the fast drivers using their dirty tricks if they needed to get back to the front, also tuning was mostly allowed so a lot of skilled drivers who did not invest the same amount of time in the game could not compete. Lobbies are still there if you can't enjoy the simple satisfaction of doing your best.
 
I guess small taps are as much of a crime

They are if they're used as part of a bump and run.

but it just seems exagerated to me. Just my opinion.

Here's my opinion. I've been on the receiving end of bump and runs and I'm not exaggerating when I say how much they piss me off. They're just below punting off track and brake checking in my book.

Like I said, I wish you well with the clean driving and I mean that sincerely. One less dirty driver is always a good thing.
 
Fine, can we just call it a "case closed?" It's just being a repeat of "bump and run is wrong" and "bump and run is justified" with both arguments and both sides of the fence. This can go on forever and I don't wish for it to do so.
 
There's no argument to justify a bump and run. As specifically said in the etiquette video this is a non contact sport. What happens in other motor racing is irrelevant. This is GT Sport and the no contact rule is clear. The problem I have is you say that is an opinion. It isn't an opinion, its a fact and is against the rules.

I agree that the case is closed. Good luck with being a clean driver.
 
Getting SR S is the easiest thing in GTS, even racing normally. If you drive respectfully and treat the cars like actual cars that can take damage, you won't dip below 90. I've been in Tokyo races where I've been pinballed to hell and back, and still the lowest SR I ever got to was 88. I don't know how people can get lower than 80 without treating the game like Demolition Derby to be honest.

OP, you might feel you're past your prime, but the harsh truth is you're probably just not that good to begin with. I used to believe I was the best GT player in the world back on PS1, because my only frame of reference were my schoolmates, who I could all beat quite comfortably. Then I got PS3 and GT5P, and the online leaderboards struck me down back to Earth :lol: I took the humble pill and just got on with improving myself. Even now, I'm still 2-3 secs off the top times and no matter what I just cannot close that gap. I'm confident in my racecraft, consistency and strategy but the pace is just not there. As much as we all want to believe we are the next F1 world champion, the truth is, some people are just slightly better than others at certain things. It's small differences corner by corner but it all adds up throughout the whole lap.

My advice, focus on completely eliminating all contact from your racing. Maintain SR 99 (by driving normally, not sandbagging at the back). Watch the good drivers and how they drive (leaderboard replays, world tour events, Tidgney's driving school, David Perel's channel). The absolute top echelon racers are fast and also clean. You can overtake people without contact if you know how to position your car. If it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out. You can't win every race. Even in world tours, all these aliens are the top in their region, but in the end only 1 person can win. Just imagine being in their position. Are they out of their prime? Nope, that's just how racing works. Winning shouldn't be your end goal. Being the best you possibly can is. The wins will come by itself eventually.

My kudos for reference: https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=3050597
 
I think there's two things at play here.

In the past it was very much single player and the seasonals and testing yourself against the challenges PD gives you. Of course you can still do this and you can still be competitve given you have some kind of ability. See that current Group 1 Sardegna thread.

The 2nd thing is online play. Now lets be honest here. No matter what game you will come up against people who are a lot better than you.

It doesnt matter could be Forza Hot Wheels etc. There will be people who play 8 hrs a day and they will trounce you wholesale.

I only play GT SPort for 30-45 mins a day doing the daily. There's no hope that I'm going to win against even this micrososm that is GT Planet.

Surely playing any multiplay in the last few decades has shown you that?

I used to play action quake and team fortress and day of defeat and all kinds of fps and unless I'm having a stellar twitchy day full of energy drink I'm not going to do well.

In the past like in GT5/6 they had worldwide leaderboards on times and seasonals and it would be an accomplishment for me to break into the worldwide 1,000 lists.

I'm in the top 1,000 of all the 100,000 players who participated - that's rare.

Remeber the quick lobbies in GT6 where you jumped in and out for battle. Even in that I rarely came 1st.

THe realisation that this is a huge community and you're just not that good. That's life.
 
Getting SR S is the easiest thing in GTS, even racing normally. If you drive respectfully and treat the cars like actual cars that can take damage, you won't dip below 90. I've been in Tokyo races where I've been pinballed to hell and back, and still the lowest SR I ever got to was 88. I don't know how people can get lower than 80 without treating the game like Demolition Derby to be honest.

It's a bit condescending but I guess it's because you're only telling one part of the story. You obviously have played only at specific times, or have played to recover you SR within the same day.
If you are DR.B in europe, and play on friday at 6pm only two or three races per day, it is very likely you get under SR80. Unless you qualify first and are way faster than the rest of the field (unlikely because at SR99 where you will race together with DR.B and some DR.A), or if you accept to give away positions not to risk the typical SR- bumps at every turn.

If I had played only on early mornings or late evening, I would be MID DR.A and I would have never been under SR90.

If there was a SR system at the recent Nurburgring GT sport champ, I guaranty you some players would have gone close to, if not under SR80...
 
It's a bit condescending but I guess it's because you're only telling one part of the story. You obviously have played only at specific times, or have played to recover you SR within the same day.
If you are DR.B in europe, and play on friday at 6pm only two or three races per day, it is very likely you get under SR80. Unless you qualify first and are way faster than the rest of the field (unlikely because at SR99 where you will race together with DR.B and some DR.A), or if you accept to give away positions not to risk the typical SR- bumps at every turn.

If I had played only on early mornings or late evening, I would be MID DR.A and I would have never been under SR90.

If there was a SR system at the recent Nurburgring GT sport champ, I guaranty you some players would have gone close to, if not under SR80...
If you do as he said treat the cars like they're real cars, then you indeed find yourself giving up fights that would end in certain death irl. I don't think that's incompatible with trying to race to the best of your ability.
 
I have the same feeling. Made the GT Academy USA finals in the first year, was consistently near the front in GT5/6. Now in GTS I have my moments but am more of a mid-pack driver when it comes to the FIA stuff. It's certainly not easy anymore. Requires more dedication than I have time or patience for.
 
It's a bit condescending but I guess it's because you're only telling one part of the story. You obviously have played only at specific times, or have played to recover you SR within the same day.
If you are DR.B in europe, and play on friday at 6pm only two or three races per day, it is very likely you get under SR80. Unless you qualify first and are way faster than the rest of the field (unlikely because at SR99 where you will race together with DR.B and some DR.A), or if you accept to give away positions not to risk the typical SR- bumps at every turn.

If I had played only on early mornings or late evening, I would be MID DR.A and I would have never been under SR90.

If there was a SR system at the recent Nurburgring GT sport champ, I guaranty you some players would have gone close to, if not under SR80...

First off, I didn't mean to be condescending and I apologise if I came across as such.

Honestly I don't think I'm that good of a driver. But I believe that with a lot of hardwork and dedication you can cover that gap. Basically, if you have no talent at all but you train and maximise all other modifiable factors, you can get up to my level (DR A, SR S). It's not easy, but it's doable.

I've raced at all sorts of times. Morning, afternoon, evening, night. All sorts of combos. In fact, I like weird combos and Tokyo races more because I tend to do better at them (everyone else just goes nuts at Tokyo and I just pick up the pieces to get ahead). The only times I haven't raced is probably 10PM-6AM. And if you know Oceania, matchmaking is probably the worst because of the lack of players. Daily races I've been in SR 99 rooms with everyone from DR D to DR A in one race. Of course, I have a policy of not entering a race until I'm happy with my quali time, so most of the time I end up starting in the first 3 rows and miss the first corner carnage. But even in races where I've not been lucky and drop back, I never make any desperate moves to reclaim lost ground. So even if I got a big punt and lose SR, the rest of the race I still drive clean and can reclaim it back. That's how I always stay above 90. If it's a 🤬 race then it's just a 🤬 day. You can't win everything like I said.

Apart from trying to get the 15 consecutive clean races achievement (you can see this when my DR drops all the way down to D), I never drive around at the back for purposes of elevating SR. I usually only do 1-2 races per day because that's all I have time for. Believe me, if I wanted to, I can keep my SR line dead straight at 99, but obviously from my kudos page you can see a few dips here and there. Even with my OCD I can't be bothered to keep a straight record, because as you know SR is easy to game and means nothing. I already know I'm a clean driver, save for those unlucky few races.

The trick to racing cleanly is really knowing when a corner has been lost and not fighting it. Conversely when overtaking, know when a corner is not yet yours and not pushing it. If you just stick to these 2 rules, have radar on at all times and treat cars like they have full damage, the amount of time you have race ending crashes will be countable on one hand. Trust me.

World Tour events are kinda different because these drivers are the fastest in the world and they have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Hence the desparate moves and rough driving. But even so you can see that the winners are more often the cleaner drivers (Igor, Rubilar) who think through their overtakes rather than the aggressive ones (sorry Nik). It's no coincidence. In the FIA races that I've been with these people, I just got out of the way when they come up in my rear view. You just can't defend against someone who's base pace is 2 seconds faster a lap. You're much better off letting them pass and staying in their draft. Most people will try to defend their position and ego and the difference in speed is what will cause a crash. It's not their fault, because they are in an entirely different race than you.

It's understanding subtleties like these that will keep your SR from tanking even in rough races. It's a mindset issue, not a skill one. Respect for machinery and other drivers are key.
 
I've raced at all sorts of times. Morning, afternoon, evening, night. All sorts of combos. In fact, I like weird combos and Tokyo races more because I tend to do better at them (everyone else just goes nuts at Tokyo and I just pick up the pieces to get ahead). The only times I haven't raced is probably 10PM-6AM. And if you know Oceania, matchmaking is probably the worst because of the lack of players. Daily races I've been in SR 99 rooms with everyone from DR D to DR A in one race. Of course, I have a policy of not entering a race until I'm happy with my quali time, so most of the time I end up starting in the first 3 rows and miss the first corner carnage. But even in races where I've not been lucky and drop back, I never make any desperate moves to reclaim lost ground. So even if I got a big punt and lose SR, the rest of the race I still drive clean and can reclaim it back. That's how I always stay above 90. If it's a 🤬 race then it's just a 🤬 day. You can't win everything like I said.

Yeah I don't think you have been playing the same kind of races as me, and I think being DRA in asia is part of the reason why as well as the fact you can qualify well

The trick to racing cleanly is really knowing when a corner has been lost and not fighting it. Conversely when overtaking, know when a corner is not yet yours and not pushing it. If you just stick to these 2 rules, have radar on at all times and treat cars like they have full damage, the amount of time you have race ending crashes will be countable on one hand. Trust me.


It's understanding subtleties like these that will keep your SR from tanking even in rough races. It's a mindset issue, not a skill one. Respect for machinery and other drivers are key.

If I treat the car like they have full dmg (which is the way I always raced in custom race) I would drive the same. Now if the cars actually had full dmg, I would let everyone pass me (unless I start top 3) and repass them in the straight of the second lap when they are all broken or pitting to repair.

Maybe I should get the PS plus again and try racing now that I reached DR.A, but in DR.B EMEA, your recommendations don't work in the "bad hours". The only way to stay "safe" SR wise during these hours (if you are not way faster than the guy behind you) is to let him pass you.

the "bumping someone to make him lose control and pass him is not dirty" illustrate the mentality of 50% of the people in the bad hours in DR.B. So if day 1 you play one race and end up in the traffic, you can not avoid -10 SR. If the next race is similar, you get to 80. It's as simple as this.

On the other hand, on mornings and late evenings, I had many 2-3 laps long fights with some guys, that ended up with zero or one or two minor contacts (i.e. SR says you touched but the car did not move like it touched anything) and an overall SR gain. Because people behave like you, and because behaving like you is rewarded. If all the races were like this, I would have kept my PS plus subscription and my SR would have never been under 90.
 
Yeah I don't think you have been playing the same kind of races as me, and I think being DRA in asia is part of the reason why as well as the fact you can qualify well



If I treat the car like they have full dmg (which is the way I always raced in custom race) I would drive the same. Now if the cars actually had full dmg, I would let everyone pass me (unless I start top 3) and repass them in the straight of the second lap when they are all broken or pitting to repair.

Maybe I should get the PS plus again and try racing now that I reached DR.A, but in DR.B EMEA, your recommendations don't work in the "bad hours". The only way to stay "safe" SR wise during these hours (if you are not way faster than the guy behind you) is to let him pass you.

the "bumping someone to make him lose control and pass him is not dirty" illustrate the mentality of 50% of the people in the bad hours in DR.B. So if day 1 you play one race and end up in the traffic, you can not avoid -10 SR. If the next race is similar, you get to 80. It's as simple as this.

On the other hand, on mornings and late evenings, I had many 2-3 laps long fights with some guys, that ended up with zero or one or two minor contacts (i.e. SR says you touched but the car did not move like it touched anything) and an overall SR gain. Because people behave like you, and because behaving like you is rewarded. If all the races were like this, I would have kept my PS plus subscription and my SR would have never been under 90.
I disagree, Ive kept my SR clean in horrible fields for extended periods of time. Not completely backing down either but just doing my thing and accepting that dirty drivers got better race results from their ugly actions.
On other occasions I chose to have my fun hunting down disgusting drivers and giving back tenfold. Twice I lost 20k DR points in a single race as a result. (that's when you go dirty not trying to gain anything but rather for joint last place with the chosen one, not sure if that huge penalty happens automatically or if they have to report you)
But when my mindset is to reach my best my SR never drops below 95.
Also why would Asia be different?
 
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All of them? Okay then. :/
All of them? Okay then. :/
To be fair, I can only recall the ones where you were advocating using some contact to your advantage, they left quite a lasting impression sorry. Maybe I sounded a bit rude, but what I was trying to imply was that those people you called filthy might just be thinking they're a good aggressive driver and you're filthy.
 
Also why would Asia be different?

less people playing = less competition.
If I was on a grid with DR S, DR A, DRB, DR C and DR.D, there wouldnt be much competition within the race. So less people with the same pace as me, meaning less people weaving to crash me when I pass them, or pushing me when they pass me etc.

The races I did were most of the time 16 DR.B drivers, for a normal sized track, top and worse QT are separated by less than 4s.

When I race in "calm" periods and I see a wider range of DR, the QT are more spread, so there is less competition, meaning less risk to have someone dirty that drives at the same pace.

My guess is that in asia your races are way more like morning or late evening races
 
A small touch that you may think is "fair" and "part of racing", might send your opponent flying into the wall. Just avoid it at all costs.

I find that, since I set all driver aids to 0, I sometimes lose control more easily than what seems relevant considering the severity of contact.
 
Wait until PS5, PSVR in sports mode. If the fps is good, you'll immerse yourself and will forget about winning
 
less people playing = less competition.
If I was on a grid with DR S, DR A, DRB, DR C and DR.D, there wouldnt be much competition within the race. So less people with the same pace as me, meaning less people weaving to crash me when I pass them, or pushing me when they pass me etc.

The races I did were most of the time 16 DR.B drivers, for a normal sized track, top and worse QT are separated by less than 4s.

When I race in "calm" periods and I see a wider range of DR, the QT are more spread, so there is less competition, meaning less risk to have someone dirty that drives at the same pace.

My guess is that in asia your races are way more like morning or late evening races
ah right but actually I haven't raced much ever since they split Oceania and Asie because.. except for FIA races which are still full and very competitive
 
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