A player from Philippines was disqualified from competing at Gran Turismo World Tour 2018 Salzburg

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/local-player-qualifies-gran-turismo-080046872.html

A player who was invited to compete at the upcoming Gran Turismo World Tour 2018 at Salzburg, Austria was disqualified from competing there. He wasn't disqualified for dirty driving or anything like that but rather he was disqualified for using a PSN account that wasn't tied to the country that he was living in. He was using a Hong Kong PSN account since Philippines apparently doesn't have a PSN there. It should be noted that this player was apparently one of the 2015 GT Academy Asia finalists.
 
So this made it into the news

Sigh.

I was hoping it'll just stay in our own little team. But pretty much, yes. To be fair, the Philippines has never been specified as an eligible country for the World Finals, regardless of whether or not a Philippine region PSN is available, however unjust that may be. Our country has since been put on request to be on the list for next year, but that's all we have pretty much lol
 
Rules may be rules but I feel for the Philippines and all it's players who are forced to register elsewhere in the Asia PSN network to play online.

Hopefully the issue is sorted out for next years racing season, I am disappointed Hong Kong gamers have reacted this way to the situation as
I expected they would be more understanding of the issue where a player does not have an eligible PSN network.

Not that I am politically minded or influenced and I don't normally speak such comments but have to say this, if Scotland had become indepenant from the UK would that have made us ineligble to enter the FIA championship due to being a separate country without a PSN network and having to use
the UK PSN, I can imagine how that would have gone down over here. :)
 
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I don't know what this player was thinking. Of course the players from HK would protest once they found out as they're thinking they might be offered the place instead.

I'd laugh if no-one from HK goes as a result.
 
Alpha Cipher
So this made it into the news

I was hoping it'll just stay in our own little team.
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It's not made it into our news yet. Do you have more/better information that we could use for it? After all, showing up on the world's largest GT site might help with:
Alpha Cipher
Our country has since been put on request to be on the list for next year, but that's all we have pretty much lol
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DodgySyrup
Plus, how can he play online if his country doesn't have a dedicated psn?
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That's... not how it works. There's no geoblocking; you can get onto PSN wherever you are in the world, if you have a PSN account and some internet. However, you can't register a PSN account from many countries, including Philippines (which is odd, as there is a PS site for Philippines). You can see the list of eligible countries here, in the drop-down menu:

https://account.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/liquid/reg/account/create-account!input.action

That's not a specific problem - your PSN account doesn't have to be from the country you're actually in. I've got US and Japanese PSN accounts.

But it's a problem for GT Sport's FIA Championships, as Philippines isn't an eligible country. The rules state:
The Star Player Registration Form" and the participation in the Regional and World Finals will be available only to players aged 18 or over at the time of the event and resident in the following countries:
Asia/Oceania
* Japan
* Hong Kong
* Taiwan
* Singapore
* Malaysia
* Korea
* Indonesia
* Thailand
* China
* Australia
* New Zealand
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So it wouldn't be an issue for a player from the Philippines to use a Hong Kong PSN account... if they were legally resident in Hong Kong.

Right now, residents of the Philippines are not eligible. There may be a good reason: some countries are not eligible because the nature of the prize breaks competition laws in that country. Until recently, Italy wasn't eligible for precisely that reason - I checked into Italian competition laws, and it seems that a competition in Italy must have an Italian resident winner (it was possible for the FIA Championships to have no Italian representation) and a prize that can be donated to charity if not claimed (which is difficult to do with an esoteric prize like "attend the regional finals"), hence the addition of a separate Italian competition with PS4s as a prize. I'm still not totally following the reason behind having an Italian replace a player from another region if they're better though.

In this case I suspect it's simply that there's no Philippines PSN region, so it's not included in the competition. It's quite telling that if you click through from the Philippines PS page to the GT Sport official site, it takes you to GT Sport for Singapore...
 
It makes sense as the Philippines isn't a legible country for the competition, but the only reason the player wasn't racing under the Philippines flag is because it is impossible to do so.
 
So what exactly is this world tour event? Do we know whos got invited?

It seems kinda strange to me that they would do one now with the nations and manufacturers world finals happening in october.

Also, the last one was in Europe for European players. This one is again in Europe but with players from all over the world?
 
Famine
It's not made it into our news yet. Do you have more/better information that we could use for it? After all, showing up on the world's largest GT site might help with:
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I couldn't find anything else about it besides the original source that the Yahoo cited. But the player does have a Twitter account so it might better to ask him for details.

EDIT: I found his Facebook post about having been disqualified.
 
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I concur, this predicament is complete bull:censored:. This has always been the case for us Filipinos, you either have to register using HK or SG (or even US) because PH is not yet in the list of eligible countries on PSN. You know what makes this even more bull:censored:? It's the fact that we have AUTHORIZED retailers over here. Officially partnered, recognized retailers that sell legitimate products AND with warranty. It's just ridiculous.

DodgySyrup
Plus, how can he play online if his country doesn't have a dedicated psn?
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Doesn't work that way. You can create a PSN account using any eligible country as long as you register a valid address from that country.

Edit: P.S. I hate how that HK guy lambasted our representative who got disqualified. He's one of the best racers here.
 
Famine
It's not made it into our news yet. Do you have more/better information that we could use for it? After all, showing up on the world's largest GT site might help with:



That's... not how it works. There's no geoblocking; you can get onto PSN wherever you are in the world, if you have a PSN account and some internet. However, you can't register a PSN account from many countries, including Philippines (which is odd, as there is a PS site for Philippines). You can see the list of eligible countries here, in the drop-down menu:

https://account.sonyentertainmentnetwork.com/liquid/reg/account/create-account!input.action

That's not a specific problem - your PSN account doesn't have to be from the country you're actually in. I've got US and Japanese PSN accounts.

But it's a problem for GT Sport's FIA Championships, as Philippines isn't an eligible country. The rules state:

So it wouldn't be an issue for a player from the Philippines to use a Hong Kong PSN account... if they were legally resident in Hong Kong.

Right now, residents of the Philippines are not eligible. There may be a good reason: some countries are not eligible because the nature of the prize breaks competition laws in that country. Until recently, Italy wasn't eligible for precisely that reason - I checked into Italian competition laws, and it seems that a competition in Italy must have an Italian resident winner (it was possible for the FIA Championships to have no Italian representation) and a prize that can be donated to charity if not claimed (which is difficult to do with an esoteric prize like "attend the regional finals"), hence the addition of a separate Italian competition with PS4s as a prize. I'm still not totally following the reason behind having an Italian replace a player from another region if they're better though.

In this case I suspect it's simply that there's no Philippines PSN region, so it's not included in the competition. It's quite telling that if you click through from the Philippines PS page to the GT Sport official site, it takes you to GT Sport for Singapore...
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Sorry, there's not much else I can give you that hasn't been covered by Yahoo, save for one thing. I've sent you a PM about it
Skygrasper550
I concur, this predicament is complete bull:censored:. This has always been the case for us Filipinos, you either have to register using HK or SG (or even US) because PH is not yet in the list of eligible countries on PSN. You know what makes this even more bull:censored:? It's the fact that we have AUTHORIZED retailers over here. Officially partnered, recognized retailers that sell legitimate products AND with warranty. It's just ridiculous.



Doesn't work that way. You can create a PSN account using any eligible country as long as you register a valid address from that country.

Edit: P.S. I hate how that HK guy lambasted our representative who got disqualified. He's one of the best racers here.
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Calm down. I find it disappointing as well, perhaps twice as much so given that the disqualified person in question is not only a teammate, but also a personal friend. We'll see how this develops
 
mclarenLB
Unfortunately there's a whole other side to legality outside of just "what feels right"
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Where did I say anything about it being a case of "what feels right"?

If you are going to use quotations then it is usually appropriate for it to be an actual quote.

Alpha Cipher
Sorry, there's not much else I can give you that hasn't been covered by Yahoo, save for one thing. I've sent you a PM about it

Calm down. I find it disappointing as well, perhaps twice as much so given that the disqualified person in question is not only a teammate, but also a personal friend. We'll see how this develops
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Hope they are taking it in their stride?

I know it's against the rules, and I guess that's that...still, he must be gutted?
 
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Alpha Cipher
So this made it into the news

Sigh.

I was hoping it'll just stay in our own little team. But pretty much, yes. To be fair, the Philippines has never been specified as an eligible country for the World Finals, regardless of whether or not a Philippine region PSN is available, however unjust that may be. Our country has since been put on request to be on the list for next year, but that's all we have pretty much lol
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He should've said he was Singaporean. Wasn't you was it?
 
Alpha Cipher
Calm down. I find it disappointing as well, perhaps twice as much so given that the disqualified person in question is not only a teammate, but also a personal friend. We'll see how this develops
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I was a bit exaggerating, don't worry. But yeah, I find this disappointing as well. The officials should have known that not all countries are eligible in PSN, and so they should have been more lenient to participants from those countries.
 
DodgySyrup
Where did I say anything about it being a case of "what feels right"?

If you are going to use quotations then it is usually appropriate for it to be an actual quote.
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The post wasn't directed at you, it was my viewpoint and your post was quoted merely to provide context.
 
Alpha Cipher
Lying about his nationality would've been worse, I think :lol:
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As others have already pointed out way back when the original rules were published, its not nationality that they take into account its residence.

e.g.
Famine
That's not a specific problem - your PSN account doesn't have to be from the country you're actually in. I've got US and Japanese PSN accounts.

But it's a problem for GT Sport's FIA Championships, as Philippines isn't an eligible country. The rules state:

So it wouldn't be an issue for a player from the Philippines to use a Hong Kong PSN account... if they were legally resident in Hong Kong.
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At the time I questioned how they could ever determine residence. Its not whats written in your passport(s) thats for sure.

The problem for this player is that as soon as other HK players saw this some were definitely going to make a stink.
 
Alpha Cipher
Very much so.

Nah not me. Lying about his nationality would've been worse, I think :lol:
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On a serious note. It's 2018 what are Sony doing? Surely they would want to read out to more countries, giving more players the opportunity to enter these esports competitions.
 
sundaydriving
At the time I questioned how they could ever determine residence. Its not whats written in your passport(s) thats for sure.
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"Legally resident" means "Resides in, and has legal permission to reside in" - and that largely means that your primary correspondence address is within a country for which you have either a temporary or permanent residents' visa, passport through citizenship or other legal right to remain.

GT Academy in the UK has previously had finalists from other nations (I think Hungary and Slovenia) who were students in the UK. This gave them a UK correspondence address and a temporary (student) residents' visa.
 
Well this is sad to see my fellow countryman getting disqualified but at the same time this is the reality of it.

And here I am I was thinking how are my countrymen would be able to make it to the next major GT event if they were to be chosen when their account is linked to a country that is not the Philippines and now I got my answer.

I feel discouraged now to even participate in the next years FIA season (if there is) if this is how it's gonna go down.
 
While we're on the subject of disqualifications.

FIA and WADA have a long history and since the winner of GTS will be crowned ceremoniously, there is a fair probability that FIA will follow protocol to ensure their brand is not tarnished.

It's probably safe to say that no one here has a personal doctor administering bespoke cocktails to enhance performance. However, if any of the potential finalists are using any listed banned substance, perhaps it's wise to stop. It may already be too late for some as testing can be very comprehensive and no amount of cleansing will do any good.

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If you dream of the limelight, at least read/know the basic rules.
 
dabz343
While we're on the subject of disqualifications.

FIA and WADA have a long history and since the winner of GTS will be crowned ceremoniously, there is a fair probability that FIA will follow protocol to ensure their brand is not tarnished.

It's probably safe to say that no one here has a personal doctor administering bespoke cocktails to enhance performance. However, if any of the potential finalists are using any listed banned substance, perhaps it's wise to stop. It may already be too late for some as testing can be very comprehensive and no amount of cleansing will do any good.

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If you dream of the limelight, at least read/know the basic rules.
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:lol:

Please don't open this can of worms.
 
Feel bad for him, Especially people hate you when you on the top of the game. They have to drag you down since no one can't beat you. Hong Kong player need step up if they want the spot. For him I hope PD step in and reconsidering the option, find away to get him in.
 
Lee x sensai
Feel bad for him, Especially people hate you when you on the top of the game. They have to drag you down since no one can't beat you. Hong Kong player need step up if they want the spot. For him I hope PD step in and reconsidering the option, find away to get him in.
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He was competing for a country he doesn't reside in, what's there to feel bad about?
 
Well thats one reason but for example mine is,I lived in Dubai for 7 years, got my PS3 AND PS4 registered there obviously so I could use local credit card and PP for purchases. Now I moved countries but of course i use the Dubai account still...thats where all my trophies are.

So I would be in same trouble but you dont expect me to keep changing my PSN account every time I change places.
 
GTPorsche
He was competing for a country he doesn't reside in, what's there to feel bad about?
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It should never have got to this point. I dont like the fact he broke the rules. I dont like the fact he cant use his own PSN country. I dont like the way the HK players reacted.

The situation is a bit crap for this player.

But I do think its right to disqualify him at this point in time. Its not stopping him from continuing to play afaik he just wont get to go on an Austrian junket.
 

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