a spec points

[hucker696]

I was wondering what are the a spec point if yuor car is on par with the others?

 

[Famine]

Depends on the car.

Could be 10 points. Could be 100 points. Each car has a different - and not yet clearly understood - "Coefficient of A-spec".

 

[hucker696]

thank you

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Depends on the car.

Could be 10 points. Could be 100 points. Each car has a different - and not yet clearly understood - "Coefficient of A-spec".

Just to add to that, you won't actually know the points value for each race until you're actually in it, which is an absolute pain in the neck because I'm sick of going into races and finding they're only worth 20-30 points (I prefer 90-125), but you can't exit because it'll stuff up your win ratio ... maybe PD could tell you what the actual (or at least a general idea) value of each race for your car is before you actually enter (read: on the race enrty screen when you choose your track) for GT5 ...

 

[chinko]

^just to comment, im going for any aspec points ATM, then going back and getting max points for each. like the points mean anything at all.

and why complain about your win ratio? i have 78ish % ratio and i couldnt give a ****. its how you LEARN.

 

[TigJackson]

and why complain about your win ratio? i have 78ish % ratio and i couldnt give a ****. its how you LEARN.

Hmmm....very interesting. Maybe when YOU LEARN that second place is the FIRST LOSER, then maybe, only maybe, we'll talk.

 

[deimos]

Hmmm....very interesting. Maybe when YOU LEARN that second place is the FIRST LOSER, then maybe, only maybe, we'll talk.

No need for flaming like that on here thanks. Everyone knows that you learn from experience, which you will gain, win or lose. A loss can even be better experience than a win. Your catchphrase is one for the arrogant unless they can prove they're that good. Win Ratio is nothing but a statistic. Anyway, I used to believe that it was 10 points, but I agree with Famine, it depends on a variety of points. To be honest I don't think anyone has the patience to work it all out.

 

[hucker696]

Well I know 200 is the high end 1 is the low end,but if you have the same car with the same hp weight tires everything identical whats the a spec points?100 maybe where's the middle?

 

[Old Geezer]

I was wondering what are the a spec point if yuor car is on par with the others?

Hiya hucker696: 👍 Long time NO See! Just to add to the general confusion regarding A-Spec Points...The Formula GT "AI" Racers feature the exact same specs as "Your" ride and all races are worth 60 A-Spec points. ...O.G. (Formerly UB57)

 

[Ragnar1211]

Well I know 200 is the high end 1 is the low end,but if you have the same car with the same hp weight tires everything identical whats the a spec points?100 maybe where's the middle?

Depends also on all the cars in the field. If the car you have is on par with the best car in the field - likely closer to the 10 point range, if the car you have is on par with the lower end cars in the field - likely the 50-100 point range.

But the system is flawed and does not indicate true level of difficulty, but comes close in a lot of cases.

 

[jdw]

I was wondering what are the a spec point if yuor car is on par with the others?

"On par" is pretty tricky.

If your car is exactly the same as all the rest of the cars the answer is 60p. Besides the Formula that O.G. pointed out, there are many manufacturer races that are 60p races.

Of course, if you're a decent driver you should be able to crush a field of the same car. (of course, it's somewhat dependent on how fast the car - slower cars, fewer laps == much harder to match the AI when driving the same car especially if overcoming the rolling start! )

If you mean "on par" as in, if you're an average driver or a bit better what should win? I'd say ~100p. Unfortunately, the ASpec system is a mess so that's no more than a VERY rough rule of thumb.

The biggest problem to points is when there's a mixed field. See, the ASpec points are calculated on the entire lineup. So, if you have a couple of powerhouse and a couple of crappy cars they all get stuck into some kind of "average". And... the points get dragged down with it.

World Classics and Europe Classics are probably the biggest offenders here. You can easily have a lineup where you get 3p and still get crushed (say... the '63 Vette against the 427)


Now, for about 1/2 of the races in the game the computer attempts to "even" the competition out. It does this by souping up the cars in the "pool" to a given HP "line". Each race has X number of cars to choose from. Many races have a sort of HP minimum. If the car chosen from the pool starts (stock) below the minimum, the computer will soup it up to the HP line. If the car already starts above that line, it will retain the HP it started with.

Example: Clubman - the line is 300HP, but the Carlton will start with 387hp

Those kind of races are generally easier to get points in because there's less variety in the performance of your competitors. You can figure out which is which by Previewing the race. Or ask, I have the AI competitor lists almost complete now. Or wait until I finally punt this stupid FAQ out the door (If anyone wants to take a peak at it, I welcome any feedback)


I like the ASpec point system. It's nice to have an indication of competition. It's something that was always missing from the series. But damn if it doesn't have warts!!!

 

[1995_eclipse]

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[Berrern]

The points system is very buggy, and more difficulty doesn't always mean more A-spec points.

I've started the whole game from scratch again to hunt A-spec points. In the Beginners league, I had two weird experiences so far:
- When changing from Sports Medium to Normal Economy, I got about 40 A-Spec points less (needless to say, I kept the Sports )
- When I fitted NOS in my Nissan Skyline, I got about 30 more A-Spec points for the race, iirc this was in the 4WD challenge.

You'll discover a lot of anomalies with the A-spec system if you start messing around with the car settings before the races.

 

[hucker696]

Hello UB57,and to all the others thanks for the info mostly the 60 point on par line thats really what I wanted to know

 

[Nate14Gt]

In one-make races you will usually get 60 points. So thats when you're car is the same as the AI. If you consider skill level vs the AI's skill level, then you might find a 100 point race is going to be even, or maybe 150, it's different for everyone.

 

[chinko]

ive had a very hard 10 point race, and a stupidly easy 200 point race. wasnt it found out that the points went on power to weight ratios?

 

[jdw]

The points system is very buggy, and more difficulty doesn't always mean more A-spec points.

I've started the whole game from scratch again to hunt A-spec points. In the Beginners league, I had two weird experiences so far:
- When changing from Sports Medium to Normal Economy, I got about 40 A-Spec points less (needless to say, I kept the Sports )
- When I fitted NOS in my Nissan Skyline, I got about 30 more A-Spec points for the race, iirc this was in the 4WD challenge.

You'll discover a lot of anomalies with the A-spec system if you start messing around with the car settings before the races.

The #1 contributor to points is the lineup. In some races, the points can change by almost 200p on the lineup alone. GT Championship is a good example. While testing a Merc CLK-GTR (pure stock with the R3s it came with), the points went from 9 to 200.

9p had 3LM cars. 200p was 5 of the best Group C/LMP cars.


So, the reason you're seeing these "anomalies" is because you're measuring points against different lineups.

Nitrous has NO effect on points.
Changing from Sports Medium to Normal Economy will get you about 60-80p against the same lineup.

ive had a very hard 10 point race, and a stupidly easy 200 point race. wasnt it found out that the points went on power to weight ratios?

Power-to-weight is a good rule of thumb... it'll hold true about 90% of the time but there are plenty of counter-examples. It's more likely that each car has a base ASpec point value that is stored on disc.


Things that affect points:
#1 Lineup
#2 HP
#3 Weight
#4 Tires
#5 Downforce

and that's it, nothing else

 

[Verty]

I was wondering something about a-spec points and I couldn't find anything anywhere about that (I admit I didn't look extra-deeply through the 20 pages of search results given by "a-spec" entry)...

Anyway, I was doing a bunch of races where I'd get about 170 a-spec points after a couple of trials. Now, that serie has a championship serie too. When you do the championship, do they give you the a-spec points again even if you did them already through the single race? Or since you did them before as single races, you don't get any more points unless they offer you 175 instead of 170, for example?

I'd like to know because I won't bother busting my ass trying to gain more points that I can't get because they've already been "maxed out" during single races events...

Thanks in advance!

Verty

 

[slotcarrod]

I was wondering something about a-spec points and I couldn't find anything anywhere about that (I admit I didn't look extra-deeply through the 20 pages of search results given by "a-spec" entry)...

Anyway, I was doing a bunch of races where I'd get about 170 a-spec points after a couple of trials. Now, that serie has a championship serie too. When you do the championship, do they give you the a-spec points again even if you did them already through the single race? Or since you did them before as single races, you don't get any more points unless they offer you 175 instead of 170, for example?

I'd like to know because I won't bother busting my ass trying to gain more points that I can't get because they've already been "maxed out" during single races events...

Thanks in advance!

Verty

The max points you get for one race is 200. If you race and you get 200 points that is all you will get. If you do the same race over again for 200 points, you will get nothing added to your total points.

If you do another race for 190 points and then do it again for 200 points, your total points gain for both races will be 200. You can get no more points for this race again.

I hope this helps you.

 

[wheelow]

The points system is weird.
I did a Family Cup race last night on Midfield normal, with my Dodge Ram, it was fully modified, and I was using sport soft tires, and I kept the slider that determines how fast my competition is at 0, just to see how they'd stack up, and I was against vehicles such as the Nissan Cube X and a couple other things like that, that were NO where near my HP levels. And the race was a 200 point race. I destroyed them, needless to say. So if you want quick and easy A-spec points, buy a dodge ram, mod the hell out of it, and go to midfield for a family cup race.

 

[jdw]

The points system is weird.
I did a Family Cup race last night on Midfield normal, with my Dodge Ram, it was fully modified, and I was using sport soft tires, and I kept the slider that determines how fast my competition is at 0, just to see how they'd stack up, and I was against vehicles such as the Nissan Cube X and a couple other things like that, that were NO where near my HP levels. And the race was a 200 point race. I destroyed them, needless to say. So if you want quick and easy A-spec points, buy a dodge ram, mod the hell out of it, and go to midfield for a family cup race.

The Dodge RAM is a known bug in the system.

 

[wheelow]

hm, I guess I haven't come across that thread around here. I wasn't aware of that.

 

[Sprite]

I dont know if this has been mentioned in the forum before but yesterday iwas doing the second Tahiti Maze Rally race on hard, and the points at the begining said 180pts but whne finished it said i was awarded 100pts a whole 80pts missing, anyone know of this bug?

 

[jdw]

I dont know if this has been mentioned in the forum before but yesterday iwas doing the second Tahiti Maze Rally race on hard, and the points at the begining said 180pts but whne finished it said i was awarded 100pts a whole 80pts missing, anyone know of this bug?

Nope. Sure you didn't quit and race against a different car? Did you change anything about your car?

 

[Verty]

The max points you get for one race is 200. If you race and you get 200 points that is all you will get. If you do the same race over again for 200 points, you will get nothing added to your total points.

If you do another race for 190 points and then do it again for 200 points, your total points gain for both races will be 200. You can get no more points for this race again.

I hope this helps you.

Actually, what I meant is some categories have race series PLUS a championship where you just do the same single races again but as a championship. My question was if I got like 200 points during the single race event and I do the race again in the associated championship, do I get another 200 points for a win or was it already maxed out by the previous single race event?

Verty

 

[Sprite]

Nope. Sure you didn't quit and race against a different car? Did you change anything about your car?

nope, i was in the Mitsubishi CZ-3 Tarmac Rally Car bog standard, and it didnt change anything or quit, just did the race and then when done it had knocked off 80 points

**>>EDIT<<**

To the post below, nope dude it was the first time i had run it, its only done it once so i dont think its a major problem. if it happens again i ill post it here.

 

[route_66]

Actually, what I meant is some categories have race series PLUS a championship where you just do the same single races again but as a championship. My question was if I got like 200 points during the single race event and I do the race again in the associated championship, do I get another 200 points for a win or was it already maxed out by the previous single race event?

Verty

You won't get the points again. Whether you got 200 in a Single Race or in the Championship, you only get it once.


And to Sprite - You're sure you didn't do teh race already or something? If you had 80 points already then you'd only get another 100? Have you tried doing it again to see if you get offered 180 and win? Or go for 200 and see if you get the extra 100?

66.

 

[Verty]

You won't get the points again. Whether you got 200 in a Single Race or in the Championship, you only get it once.

Aweseom! Thanks a bunch!

 

[Uncle Harry]

I did some testing to see if a Rally version Subaru WRX got less points than the road version. (In my mind the rally car should get less as it is the better car)
The Rally car had downforce set to min, normal sport tires and 305 hp. Weight was added to make the power to weight ratio equal.
The road car was stock apart from the wing which was set to match the rally car. Power was 315 hp and equal power to weight ratio with the rally car.
Both cars were entered into the same race against identical fields.
The road car had 1 lower A spec points than the road car.
Interesting I thought, and concluded that the extra 10 hp had a negative bearing on the A spec points.
So I went further and added a stage 1 turbo to the road car and added extra weight to bring the power to weight ratio to the same numbers as before. (I have noted results but left them at home). Entered same race against same field and was offered less A spec points. Tested again with semi race exhaust and more weight to bring the power to weight equal again.
The A spec points dropped again.
This seems to proove that A spec points are not based on Power to weight figures as originally concluded and a preset value is the base.

This is also apparent when entering low powered low weight cars or a high powered high weight cars with equal power to weight ratios. The high power cars will allways get less A spec points against the same field.
Power and weight does enter the formula but what the base line formula is we will never know.
We know equal cars and equal field will be 60 points. (I got 57 or 58 in the little British Triumph race)
It may be interesting to repeat my WRX experiment with the Audis in the Audi race and see if the pattern repeats.
Any input is welcome.
I may test also a liberty and see how that compares against my WRX.

 

[Moloch_horridus]

There are still many unanswered questions wrt to a-spec points, but, given the amount of knowledge that now exists on how to obtain them I feel that too much further testing would be a waste of time.

Every single race in GT4 has been won for max points. Anyone who has tried to get maximum points consistently will have a very good feel for what effect any given mod will have on the points offered.

I personally feel that the most useful thing would be lists of cars that will show up for certain events ranked according to their a-spec index. I am getting a tad tired of wondering whether lineup x will be better than lineup y for cars I know little about - e.g. miniature bloody suzukis.

In most cases I have looked at it does correlate quite closely with PWR but there are exceptions. The Megane Cup is an interesting example where the car with the worse PWR gets more a-spec points.