ABS 10???

[BadgerVadge]

Has anyone tried using full abs, and changed the brake bias? Default is 5-5...but 4-6 would make it "corner" better right?

Finding other people who race without abs is a rarity in the lobbies. I haven't used abs since gt4 its a whole different approach to braking. You really notice the differences between different braking balances and how the car behaves.
But turning the brake pressure up or down controls where the tire's grip threshold is when braking too.
I seen people run 10 abs before, i just laugh because i dont understand that... But after reading this post now i know why. Its always more fun when you can add a little smokescreen when braking heavy lol.

 

[BadgerVadge]

@NCRthree
I thoroughly recommend people try ABS 0, and learn how to set brake balances. It takes some patience at first, but it really is a whole new world of driving feel in GT.

I agree! I never use abs... It seems like everyone is scared without abs because it takes a while to learn. Everybody thinks im stupid or crazy haha. But using abs makes u learn bad braking habits(brake mashing) But it actually makes the game more fun because you are always learning how to approach and brake properly with different tires or cars/drive train layouts and brake balance bias. I usually run 8-4 or 7-4 for most of my tunes. The understeer helps alot!

 

[Halcyon925]

I agree! I never use abs... It seems like everyone is scared without abs because it takes a while to learn. Everybody thinks im stupid or crazy haha. But using abs makes u learn bad braking habits(brake mashing) But it actually makes the game more fun because you are always learning how to approach and brake properly with different tires or cars/drive train layouts and brake balance bias. I usually run 8-4 or 7-4 for most of my tunes. The understeer helps alot!

Yeah, I don't use ABS either. I figure that most people use ABS because of (your reason) and that since they use a controller, then they will mash the button and the tires will lock up because of them. It really goes to show how people don't take the time to make themselves better at driving in this game. I for one use a controller and I have superb control over braking and acceleration; despite having to use the Square and X buttons to brake and accelerate.

However, I have been using the controller all the time throughout my years. Being able to limit your thumb to brake and accelerate will take some time to get used to. I did it without noticing, honestly. I used to use ABS 1 until I looked at how much I braked in each corner. I only braked about 60% max. So I decided not to use ABS because of my mastery of control.
I don't mash buttons, either.

I am a great tuner, and having to find a good brake setup can take time because some cars don't have the braking that I like. Some cars' tires lock up too easily as well. I have always made my brakes 3/4 or less; nevermore. As with the Braking Sensitivity, I keep it below twenty.

Anyway, I think no ABS is the way to go if you are wanting to squeeze the most performance out of your car and make your driving skills better overall. It takes time to get used to if you aren't like me. If you like braking late into corners, then I suggest to use ABS. If you brake late without ABS, then you must have some great talent. As for me, I brake at 20% early into a corner.

No ABS > ABS

 

[Johnnypenso]

Has anyone tried using full abs, and changed the brake bias? Default is 5-5...but 4-6 would make it "corner" better right?

Finding other people who race without abs is a rarity in the lobbies. I haven't used abs since gt4 its a whole different approach to braking. You really notice the differences between different braking balances and how the car behaves.
But turning the brake pressure up or down controls where the tire's grip threshold is when braking too.
I seen people run 10 abs before, i just laugh because i dont understand that... But after reading this post now i know why. Its always more fun when you can add a little smokescreen when braking heavy lol.

In theory 5/5 and 4/6 should be identical with ABS once you reach the threshold of grip. ABS takes over and each tire on each corner is at maximum braking potential based on load, road conditions, lateral g's etc. It's only up until ABS kicks in that 4/6 and 5/5 should be different.

 

[BadgerVadge]

oh yea i use a DS3 controller, and dont ever break with more than 70% too (after years of muscle memory) and i can still outbrake others when i lock my brakes when braking late. (i do threshold braking) now most of my tunes' brake balance is now 5-0 or 5-1 or 6-2. it works out for my driving style perfect at nurburgring. most of the weight is on the front tires when braking.
also Johnnypenso i notice when running a brake bias w/ less in the front, my cars will start oversteering or drifting during hard or late braking haha. thats why i try to not run as much brake in the rear.

 

[ALB123]

oh yea i use a DS3 controller, and dont ever break with more than 70% too (after years of muscle memory) and i can still outbrake others when i lock my brakes when braking late. (i do threshold braking) now most of my tunes' brake balance is now 5-0 or 5-1 or 6-2. it works out for my driving style perfect at nurburgring. but sometimes when i understeer when braking...i have to tap my e-brake to hit the apex while braking lol.
also Johnnypenso i notice when running a brake bias w/ less in the front, my cars will start oversteering or drifting during hard braking haha. thats why i try to not run as much brake in the rear.

Wow...That's an interesting brake balance! I tend to use a tick or two higher in the rear (depending on vehicle weight & weight distribution) because I like that extra vehicle rotation that you've noticed when doing the same. I drive with ABS=1 most often, but I use ABS=0 when I race on Saturdays with the guys in the Ridox Replica Fan Club. Threshold braking is preferred when I drive with ABS=0, but it's not always easy for me to do...especially while trying not to crash into my fellow racers! I'm going to set a car to 5/0 or 5/1 and see what that feels like. I have a feeling I am going to freak out...

 

[Alpha Cipher]

When @BadgerVadge gave me the chance to learn how to drive without ABS, I took the chance because I noticed that I barely brake at 100% and my usual braking power is at 50-80%. Let me tell you one thing, the time I took to learn and master no ABS is hands down worth it. Sure, there's more understeer, but it's more often than not helpful for me
ABS 0 is actually better than ABS 1 is you have the right settings and the right control over your brakes, meaning that you can easily outbrake others
Oh, and sometimes, pumping your brakes are better than threshold braking if you pump the brakes fast enough as to not lock it (It's what I use when trailing behind other people)

As for your question, ABS 10 and ABS 1 doesn't make much of a difference for me. Only thing I noticed is that my tyres seldom still turn red with ABS 1 as opposed to ABS 10 (RS tyres)

 

[TonyJZX]

Have we got anyone with a wheel to speak up about ABS 0?

Its an interesting thing. In Forza there's only ABS 0/1 but that control actually has great triggers so you can modulate the force.

I would imagine ABS 0 for GT would be the preferred setting for wheel and truly pro users.

Is there a particular car that best shows ABS 0 on the DS3?

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Have we got anyone with a wheel to speak up about ABS 0?

Its an interesting thing. In Forza there's only ABS 0/1 but that control actually has great triggers so you can modulate the force.

I would imagine ABS 0 for GT would be the preferred setting for wheel and truly pro users.

Is there a particular car that best shows ABS 0 on the DS3?

@danbojte and @OdeFinn are both wheel user and often drive with ABS 0 and should be able to give some insight

For DS3, low powered car like 86GT, Ferrari Dino or Honda Integra are great choices for ABS 0, fit comfort soft or sports hard for less lock up tendency as well lower the BB ( somewhere between 3/4 )

 

[CaroFDoom]

My personal experiences without ABS never really had any big fails.

I started using no ABS in GT5, which always locked up around 50% I think that just for training yourself, GT5 would be the best because of how sensitive it is about it. Doing this, my left finger became more sensitive than my right finger.

After playing GT5, no ABS was no issue for me when I got GT6, so I didn't really have to worry about failing. It just becomes a reflex when you're always playing without ABS. Just practice, and you'll get it.

DS3 Trigger user

(how do people even use ABS?)

 

[eran0004]

Have we got anyone with a wheel to speak up about ABS 0?

Its an interesting thing. In Forza there's only ABS 0/1 but that control actually has great triggers so you can modulate the force.

I would imagine ABS 0 for GT would be the preferred setting for wheel and truly pro users.

Is there a particular car that best shows ABS 0 on the DS3?

ABS 0 is a lot more fun. ABS is usually faster though, but it may be hard to estimate how hard you're braking, which can lead to a lot of understeer when you trail brake.

 

[Thematic]

I got GT5 late but there I tried to guess which cars would have ABS. I realized I don't much like ABS so for '6' I never used it. I had some kind of wheel kit for both games.

I often run neutral balance, and front bias more often than rear.

 

[Alpha Cipher]

Have we got anyone with a wheel to speak up about ABS 0?

Its an interesting thing. In Forza there's only ABS 0/1 but that control actually has great triggers so you can modulate the force.

I would imagine ABS 0 for GT would be the preferred setting for wheel and truly pro users.

Is there a particular car that best shows ABS 0 on the DS3?

I have a DFGT and I use ABS 0
Actually even wheel users use ABS 1; It's just generally easier than having to consciously (Yes, even a seasoned non-ABS user like me sometimes has to be conscious on how hard you should brake because not all cars brake the same and each track provides different environments) move your left foot most of the time; sure, some ABS 1 users will say, "But that's the same thing we're doing!", but ABS 0 takes it to a whole new level

 

[BadgerVadge]

. Lol I like showing people tips...that was a fun night. you actually picked it up almost instantly @Alpha Cipher. we definitely need to do some nurburgring soon.

Have we got anyone with a wheel to speak up about ABS 0?

Its an interesting thing. In Forza there's only ABS 0/1 but that control actually has great triggers so you can modulate the force.

I would imagine ABS 0 for GT would be the preferred setting for wheel and truly pro users.

Is there a particular car that best shows ABS 0 on the DS3?

i noticed in my skylines and most awd tunes i have you can still mash the brake 100% in a panic... and it will lock up the tires and slide you to a stop, just fine. usually my brake bias is 5-0 6-1 5-2 etc. I never spinout or oversteer into a turn unless i induce it. i like my tunes to dip the nose fast and have most of the weight shift to the front tyres. sometimes i can tap my e-brake if i brake to late to correct my line if its too wide and it will oversteer enough to hit the apex.

Edit: with ABS:0 There is quite a big difference between regular brakes and racing brakes. i only use racing brakes for SS and higher, because with lower grip tyres the racing kit will just be stupidly sensitive and lock fast lol

 

[Wide Boy]

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Edit: with ABS:0 There is quite a big difference between regular brakes and racing brakes. i only use racing brakes for SS and higher, because with lower grip tyres the racing kit will just be stupidly sensitive and lock fast lol

Not that far off I ran racing brakes on one of my street bikes below 60mph especially in the wet you had to have respect for them as they could lock up easily. Even braking from high speed you had to ease the brakes off as your speed dropped to prevent lock up.