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Greetings. Long time listener, first time caller. This site has been great over the years, even in the days of GT4. I am the type that normally just reads and never post anything, but I would like to try and give something back to this site. Most of my gaming time these days is COD, but I mix in some Nascar nights every now and then along with giving the GT Academy a go.
Early when the game came out, someone posted a comment about something Kaz said in the strategy guide or somewhere. They claimed he said ''your apex speed will be faster in the turn with ABS OFF''. So after that i ran with it, I never used any assist of any type.
I could never apply real world motorcycle tuning knowledge to the GT5 world. Adjust this or adjust that never felt right. So i always used some of the great turning minds here to get a proper car setup. Praiano ended up being my go to guy. He has a great list of cars with great tunes.
When the game came out, it seemed everyone just went with ABS 1 and never challenged tuning beyond that. There was a saying that went something like ''if your not driving on Sports Soft, your missing out on a great part of the game''. I think that is because when you drive on Sports Soft, even with ABS 1, you have to go into the corner and brake smoothly because of reduced traction. I feel the effect is simular when you run ABS OFF with Race Softs. I always wondered the amazing things that could happen if some of the great tuning minds would have went ABS OFF.
I have had Logitech Driving Force Pro since GT4. But i prefer the DS3. Maybe because of the years of time I have with controller and unable to leave wheel set up all the time. I use R2 throttle, L2 brake, R1 shift up, R3 up to shift down.
I primarily ran Race Soft 600pp Street cars without Front Downforce. Brings a wide mix of cars together with controllable high performance. I would consider myself average driver ability.
With ABS1 you can brake late and square turn off, feels robotic. With ABS OFF you need to have a more rounded line while allowing for bumps or imperfections in the track. Many of those you will notice with ABS OFF that you would not of noticed with ABS1. Such as the top of the hill of the S turn at laguna or the many challenges of Nurb.
With every car my starting point on Braking Bias was 2F 0R. Made adjustments depending on how the car reacted on different tracks. Race cars with Front Downforce the brakes will need to be stronger. I set those by how much braking power I need at the end of the fastest straight of that track. My primary focus is on Street cars without Front Downforce,
I beleive most all the MR cars work the best with ABS OFF. There are some cars that just do not seem to drive well with or with ABS. I love the Z06 and tryed endlessly to make it work. With this car and many other FR i had an issue with the rear under long heavy high speed braking. Such as the end of the long straight at Fuji GT. When the car slows to around 35mph the rear wants to step out while still in a straight line. It is as if rear tires lift and car wants to pivot on front. I felt i was getting some improvement by adjusting rebound stiffer. But im not a great tuner so i could not pinpoint what was exactly needed.
Most turns on most tracks only require a small amount of braking to begin with. At the end of a long straight such as Fuji, I give 1 full pump of the brakes, then letting out from there to a 40% type of hold quickly going to a 10% or less trail brake into the apex.
One thing I feel about ABS OFF is it changes the feelings of the car in the turn. With ABS ON car feels tight going into the turn, loose coming out. With ABS OFF it kinda seems reversed, loose going into turn, tighter coming out. I beleive it makes the settings of LSD come into play. With ABS ON it seems it kinda voids the LSD settings. ABS OFF it allows your LSD settings to go to work.
When i tryed to turn someone on to ABS OFF, I recommended that you should increase you LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity. The number is not the same for every car, but many of them go 30+ in my feel. Just like when everyone took to ABS1, they also took to LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity to the lowest setting, 5, or close to it. Makes sense because with the lowest setting it turns the sharpest with little to no issue about stability because ABS ON is correcting that factor. But with ABS OFF most cars will be unstable at the middle or end of hard braking and it will be difficult to trail brake. The rear of the car will try and step out.
If you gear down to soon at end of long straight the rear wants to step out. It helps me to gear down later than I know I should.
I try and adjust the LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity to the highest value possible without the car pushing in the turn. Each car has a sweet spot and personal preference. Some cars need to sacrifice some turning ability for braking stability. My best reference was always at Fuji Gt going into turn 1. Full pump of brakes at the braking point, then release to hold about mid value, then trail small value into the turn. If car is not confident, try to add some more LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity. Try adding more than 40. See if it is suitable.
If it will get around turn 1 Fuji Gt, should be good at most anywhere else. To me it is a perfect line in that turn when the rear has slid out just a touch on entry and exit. I rather the car to feel a little tight, because with ABS OFF you can steer with the rear. I do not mean drifting, perhaps the term is powesliding, it is on the edge of traction limits.
In the end it causes you to pay mind to ABS users behind you in the braking zone and allow others space. With ABS OFF bumper taps are more pronounced.
It was great they put in lobby options to turn ABS off finally. The ablility to limit front down force is still missing last I saw.
I hope something there helps someone.
Early when the game came out, someone posted a comment about something Kaz said in the strategy guide or somewhere. They claimed he said ''your apex speed will be faster in the turn with ABS OFF''. So after that i ran with it, I never used any assist of any type.
I could never apply real world motorcycle tuning knowledge to the GT5 world. Adjust this or adjust that never felt right. So i always used some of the great turning minds here to get a proper car setup. Praiano ended up being my go to guy. He has a great list of cars with great tunes.
When the game came out, it seemed everyone just went with ABS 1 and never challenged tuning beyond that. There was a saying that went something like ''if your not driving on Sports Soft, your missing out on a great part of the game''. I think that is because when you drive on Sports Soft, even with ABS 1, you have to go into the corner and brake smoothly because of reduced traction. I feel the effect is simular when you run ABS OFF with Race Softs. I always wondered the amazing things that could happen if some of the great tuning minds would have went ABS OFF.
I have had Logitech Driving Force Pro since GT4. But i prefer the DS3. Maybe because of the years of time I have with controller and unable to leave wheel set up all the time. I use R2 throttle, L2 brake, R1 shift up, R3 up to shift down.
I primarily ran Race Soft 600pp Street cars without Front Downforce. Brings a wide mix of cars together with controllable high performance. I would consider myself average driver ability.
With ABS1 you can brake late and square turn off, feels robotic. With ABS OFF you need to have a more rounded line while allowing for bumps or imperfections in the track. Many of those you will notice with ABS OFF that you would not of noticed with ABS1. Such as the top of the hill of the S turn at laguna or the many challenges of Nurb.
With every car my starting point on Braking Bias was 2F 0R. Made adjustments depending on how the car reacted on different tracks. Race cars with Front Downforce the brakes will need to be stronger. I set those by how much braking power I need at the end of the fastest straight of that track. My primary focus is on Street cars without Front Downforce,
I beleive most all the MR cars work the best with ABS OFF. There are some cars that just do not seem to drive well with or with ABS. I love the Z06 and tryed endlessly to make it work. With this car and many other FR i had an issue with the rear under long heavy high speed braking. Such as the end of the long straight at Fuji GT. When the car slows to around 35mph the rear wants to step out while still in a straight line. It is as if rear tires lift and car wants to pivot on front. I felt i was getting some improvement by adjusting rebound stiffer. But im not a great tuner so i could not pinpoint what was exactly needed.
Most turns on most tracks only require a small amount of braking to begin with. At the end of a long straight such as Fuji, I give 1 full pump of the brakes, then letting out from there to a 40% type of hold quickly going to a 10% or less trail brake into the apex.
One thing I feel about ABS OFF is it changes the feelings of the car in the turn. With ABS ON car feels tight going into the turn, loose coming out. With ABS OFF it kinda seems reversed, loose going into turn, tighter coming out. I beleive it makes the settings of LSD come into play. With ABS ON it seems it kinda voids the LSD settings. ABS OFF it allows your LSD settings to go to work.
When i tryed to turn someone on to ABS OFF, I recommended that you should increase you LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity. The number is not the same for every car, but many of them go 30+ in my feel. Just like when everyone took to ABS1, they also took to LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity to the lowest setting, 5, or close to it. Makes sense because with the lowest setting it turns the sharpest with little to no issue about stability because ABS ON is correcting that factor. But with ABS OFF most cars will be unstable at the middle or end of hard braking and it will be difficult to trail brake. The rear of the car will try and step out.
If you gear down to soon at end of long straight the rear wants to step out. It helps me to gear down later than I know I should.
I try and adjust the LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity to the highest value possible without the car pushing in the turn. Each car has a sweet spot and personal preference. Some cars need to sacrifice some turning ability for braking stability. My best reference was always at Fuji Gt going into turn 1. Full pump of brakes at the braking point, then release to hold about mid value, then trail small value into the turn. If car is not confident, try to add some more LSD Braking Decel Sensitivity. Try adding more than 40. See if it is suitable.
If it will get around turn 1 Fuji Gt, should be good at most anywhere else. To me it is a perfect line in that turn when the rear has slid out just a touch on entry and exit. I rather the car to feel a little tight, because with ABS OFF you can steer with the rear. I do not mean drifting, perhaps the term is powesliding, it is on the edge of traction limits.
In the end it causes you to pay mind to ABS users behind you in the braking zone and allow others space. With ABS OFF bumper taps are more pronounced.
It was great they put in lobby options to turn ABS off finally. The ablility to limit front down force is still missing last I saw.
I hope something there helps someone.
But the car was the '96 Lotus Elise which is very stable under braking. 
It was my worst performance ever yesterday. I need to practice the ring at night it is a completely different track at night! I really feel bad for the people talking about they are bored wih GT5. They need to get out their comfort zone and join some online races rather than coming on GTP to complain how bored they are.
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