After 150 hours...

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BrunusCL82
I never got used to playing Project Cars. I love Gran Turismo gameplay. And I would very much like PD to have the production pace of Slighty Mad to deliver its customers a circuit list similar to PC3.

I can't understand that, despite all the long production time, added to the budget, PD can't deliver a list of real circuits at least similar to half of this list.View attachment 1129156
The developer of the RIDE franchise, the Italian Milestone, is another that manages to put an incredible diversity of real and iconic circuits in its games. I don't understand why PD has this difficulty. This is list of the RIDE 4:
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Looking at that list of tracks (one area in particular - a small Island between England and Ireland) reminded me of how much I'd love to see the TT course in GT.
 
BrunusCL82
I never got used to playing Project Cars. I love Gran Turismo gameplay. And I would very much like PD to have the production pace of Slighty Mad to deliver its customers a circuit list similar to PC3.

I can't understand that, despite all the long production time, added to the budget, PD can't deliver a list of real circuits at least similar to half of this list.View attachment 1129156
The developer of the RIDE franchise, the Italian Milestone, is another that manages to put an incredible diversity of real and iconic circuits in its games. I don't understand why PD has this difficulty. This is list of the RIDE 4:
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Project Cars 2's tracklist is better, SMS removed a lot of great stuff from 2 for 3's tracklist.

The historic tracks aren't just old layouts with modern surroundings either, but full recreations and PC2 has the dirt physics to make the rallycross tracks a worthwhile inclusion.

917K @ Historic LeMans
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Algarve (1)​

  • Autódromo Internacional do Algarve (2.91 miles)

Azure Circuit (1)​

  • Azure Circuit (2.07 miles)

Azure Coast (5)​

  • Azure Coast Eastbound (11.96 miles)
  • Azure Coast Westbound (11.97 miles)
  • Azure Coast Stage 1 (4.59 miles)
  • Azure Coast Stage 2 (4.28 miles)
  • Azure Coast Stage 3 (3.08 miles)

Bannochbrae (1)​

  • Bannochbrae Road Circuit (4.52 miles)

Barcelona-Catalunya (3)​

  • Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya GP (2.87 miles)
  • Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya National (1.9 miles)
  • Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya Club (1.05 miles)

Bathurst (1)​

  • Bathurst Mount Panorama (3.86 miles)

Brands Hatch (2)​

  • Brands Hatch GP (2.42 miles)
  • Brands Hatch Indy (1.19 miles)

Brno (1)​

  • Brno GP (3.35 miles)

Cadwell Park (3)​

  • Cadwell Park GP (2.16 miles)
  • Cadwell Park Club (1.47 miles)
  • Cadwell Park Woodland (0.7 miles)

California Highway (5)​

  • California Highway Full (12.83 miles)
  • California Highway Reverse (12.83 miles)
  • California Highway Stage 1 (4.11 miles)
  • California Highway Stage 2 (5.06 miles)
  • California Highway Stage 3 (3.63 miles)

Chesterfield (1)​

  • Kart Circuit (0.54 miles)

Circuit of the Americas (3)​

  • Circuit of the Americas GP (3.43 miles)
  • Circuit of the Americas National (2.3 miles)
  • Circuit of the Americas Club (1.23 miles)

Daytona International Speedway (3)​

  • Daytona International Speedway Tri-Oval (2.5 miles)
  • Daytona Road Course (3.55 miles)
  • Daytona RallyCross (0.71 miles)

DirtFish (3)​

  • DirtFish Pro Rallycross Course (0.84 miles)
  • DirtFish Mill Run Course (0.95 miles)
  • DirtFish Boneyard Course (0.9 miles)

Donington Park (2)​

  • Donington Park GP (2.49 miles)
  • Donington Park National (1.95 miles)

Dubai Autodrome (5)​

  • Dubai Autodrome GP (3.31 miles)
  • Dubai Autodrome National (2.23 miles)
  • Dubai Autodrome International (2.68 miles)
  • Dubai Autodrome Club (2.57 miles)

Dubai Kartdrome (1)​

  • Dubai Autodrome Kartdrome (0.72 miles)

Fuji (1)​

  • Fuji GP (2.83 miles)

Glencairn Karting Circuit (6)​

  • Glencairn GP (0.57 miles)
  • Glencairn East (0.31 miles)
  • Glencairn West (0.28 miles)
  • Glencairn Reverse (0.57 miles)
  • Glencairn East Reverse (0.31 miles)
  • Glencairn West Reverse (0.28 miles)

Greenwood (1)​

  • Greenwood Karting Circuit (0.66 miles)

Hell (1)​

  • Lånkebanen Rallycross (0.63 miles)

Hockenheim Classic (1)​

  • Hockenheim Classic GP (4.22 miles)

Hockenheimring (4)​

  • Hockenheim GP (2.84 miles)
  • Hockenheim National (2.29 miles)
  • Hockenheim Short (1.63 miles)
  • Hockenheim Rallycross (0.77 miles)

Imola (1)​

  • Autodromo Internazionale Enzo E Dino Ferrari Imola (3.05 miles)

Indianapolis Motor Speedway (2)​

  • Indianapolis Motor Speedway Oval (2.5 miles)
  • Indianapolis Motor Speedway Road Course (2.5 miles)

Knockhill (6) ​

  • Knockhill International (1.3 miles)
  • Knockhill International Reverse (1.3 miles)
  • Knockhill National (1 mile)
  • Knockhill National Reverse (1 mile)
  • Knockhill Tri-Oval (0.3 miles)
  • Knockhill Rallycross (0.85 miles)

Laguna Seca (1)​

  • Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca (2.23 miles)

Le Mans (3)​

  • 24 Hours of Le Mans Circuit (8.46 miles)
  • Le Mans Bugatti Circuit (2.65 miles)

Le Mans Karting International​

  • Le Mans International Karting Circuit (0.85 miles)

Loheac (1)​

  • Rallycross of Loheac (0.67 miles)

Long Beach (1)​

  • Long Beach Street Circuit (1.97 miles)

Lydden Hill (2)​

  • Lydden Hill Rallycross (0.73 miles)
  • Lydden Hill GP (0.9 miles)

Mercedes-Benz Ice Track (6)​

  • Mercedes-Benz Driving Events Ice Track 1 (1.25 miles)
  • Mercedes-Benz Driving Events Ice Track 2 (1.45 miles)
  • Mercedes-Benz Driving Events Ice Track 3 (1.71 miles)
  • Mercedes-Benz Driving Events Ice Track 4 (1.64 miles)
  • Mercedes-Benz Driving Events Ice Track 5 (2.78 miles)
  • Mercedes-Benz Driving Events Ice Track Full (unknown)

Mojave (6)​

  • Mojave Boa Ascent (1.82 miles)
  • Mojave Sidewinder (1.65 miles)
  • Mojave Coyote Noose (1.13 miles)
  • Mojave Gila Crest (2.15 miles)
  • Mojave Cougar Ridge (3.45 miles)
  • Mojave Test Track (12.56 miles)

Monza (2)​

  • Autodromo Nazionale Monza GP (3.59 miles)
  • Autodromo Nazionale Monza Short (1.52 miles)

Monza Classic (3)​

  • Autodromo Nazionale Monza GP Historic (3.91 miles)
  • Autodromo Nazionale Monza Oval Historic (2.63 miles)
  • Autodromo Nazionale Monza Hstoric Oval + GP Mix (6.21 miles)

Nürburgring (9)​

  • Nürburgring GP (3.19 miles)
  • Nürburgring Nordschleife (12.94 miles)
  • Nürburgring Combined (15.76 miles)
  • Nürburgring Müllenbach (0.92 miles)
  • Nürburgring Sprint (2.25 miles)
  • Nürburgring Sprint Short (1.9 miles)
  • Nürburgring Nordschleife Stage 1 (4.29 miles)
  • Nürburgring Nordschleife Stage 2 (3.7 miles)
  • Nürburgring Nordschleife Stage 3 (4.89 miles)

Oschersleben (3)​

  • Oschersleben A Course (2.27 miles)
  • Oschersleben B Course (1.51 miles)
  • Oschersleben C Course (0.68 miles)

Oulton Park (3)​

  • Oulton Park International (2.67 miles)
  • Oulton Park Island (2.24 miles)
  • Oulton Park Fosters (1.65 miles)

Red Bull Ring (3)​

  • Red Bull Ring GP (2.69 miles)
  • Red Bull Ring National (1.45 miles)
  • Red Bull Ring Club (1.14 miles)

Road America (1)​

  • Road America (4.04 miles)

Rouen Les Essarts (2)​

  • Rouen Les Essarts (4.06 miles)
  • Rouen Les Essarts Short (3.16 miles)

Ruapuna Park (5)​

  • Ruapuna Park GP (2.03 miles)
  • Ruapuna Park Outer Loop (0.83 miles)
  • Ruapuna Park Club (1.41 miles)
  • Ruapuna Park A Circuit (0.74 miles)
  • Ruapuna Park B Circuit (0.99 miles)

Sakitto (4)​

  • Sakitto GP (3.34 miles)
  • Sakitto Sprint (2.19 miles)
  • Sakitto National (1.92 miles)
  • Sakitto International (1.76 miles)

Sampala Ice Racing Circuit (1)​

  • Sampala Ice Circuit (3.05 miles)

Silverstone (4)​

  • Silverstone GP (3.66 miles)
  • Silverstone International (2.24 miles)
  • Silverstone National (1.63 miles)
  • Silverstone Stowe (0.79 miles)

Silverstone Classic (1)​

  • Silverstone Classic GP (2.92 miles)

Snetterton (3)​

  • Snetterton 300 (2.96 miles)
  • Snetterton 200 (2 miles)
  • Snetterton 100 (0.98 miles)

Sonoma Raceway (3)​

  • Sonoma Raceway Short (1.94 miles)
  • Sonoma Raceway GP (2.51 miles)
  • Sonoma Raceway National (2.29 miles)

Spa-Francorchamps (1)​

  • Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps GP (4.35 miles)

Spa-Francorchamps Historic (1)​

  • Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps Historic (8.76 miles)

Sugo (1)​

  • Sportsland SUGO (2.3 miles)

Summerton Karting Circuit (3)​

  • Summerton International (0.61 miles)
  • Summerton National (0.51 miles)
  • Summerton Sprint (0.48 miles)

Texas Motor Speedway (3)​

  • Texas Motor Speedway (1.5 miles)
  • Texas Motor Speedway Road Course (2.83 miles)
  • Texas Motor Speedway Infield Course (1.35 miles)

Watkins Glen International (2)​

  • Watkins Glen International GP (3.37 miles)
  • Watkins Glen International Short (2.52 miles)

Wildcrest Rallycross (1)​

  • Wildcrest RallyCross (3.05 miles)

Willow Springs (2)​

  • Willow Springs International Raceway (2.49 miles)
  • Willow Springs Horse Thief Mile (0.99 miles)

Zhuhai (1)​

  • Zhuhai International Circuit (2.68 miles)

Zolder (1)​

  • Zolder (2.49 miles)
 
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When the game came out nobody knew we were going to see our "income" decrease, significantly.
At the beginning I spent a lot of credits in cars, tuning and customization.

I don't know OP's cr aquired in total, but I have a total of 41h driving and 22.309.167 cr aquired since march 4th.
 
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Daverbx
60 hours with actually 10,443,000 million credit + 11,000,145 credit that I have already spent in cars.
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Did you use the AFK cheese to get this? If so, it doesn't count.

If you legitimately grinded it out yourself, fair play friend.
 
Mateusz90
Today I lost some credits because I needed to buy tires for the 30 minutes challenge on high speed ring. And I earned 5000 for it. Wow.
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I've been doing quite a lot of testing of cars in time trial mode for Suzuka at 600 PP. It costs hundreds of thousands of credits each time I want to tune a new car, and that's limiting myself to cars I already own. It pays out zero credits, so I basically never have any credits, and can average testing maybe one car per day.
 
gambleboyen
I have 75 hours (the game says) but I know I've not played 3.75 hrs per day.
I wonder where this discrepancy comes in, does it count the time it idles in menus?
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The game profile page has one for "playing time" and one for "driving time" so presumably those 75 hours counts every minute the game is running no matter what you're doing, and driving time is a smaller number counting time on track.
 
kungtotte_
The game profile page has one for "playing time" and one for "driving time" so presumably those 75 hours counts every minute the game is running no matter what you're doing, and driving time is a smaller number counting time on track.
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Ah yes, driving time was about half. The numbers add up now :)
 
HugoTwoWheels
Great! And with the bonus of 4k and better physics, I'm super happy and thankful for the opportunity to be able to play this excellent game!
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It certainly does look better, but it does have quite a lot of recycled track content, will not much new in that regard.
HugoTwoWheels
Edit: Which is much more interesting than the PC variants of racing simulators!
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Utterly subjective, but as mainly PC sim racer I objectivly have more choice, access to mods for many titles, and better physics and FFB in many of them.
 
Scaff
Utterly subjective, but as mainly PC sim racer I objectivly have more choice, access to mods for many titles, and better physics and FFB in many of them.
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Sure, but I prioritize BoP, daily race C, championships and private leagues, and the huge pool of players leading to fair and hard competition any hour of the day. If something else was more popular online and had better everyday e-sport, I'd leave GT immediately. I'm never loyal to anything but my own personal values - I just don't see alternatives that are better for me and my preferences.

When it comes to comparing games themselves, my experience and knowledge is a tiny fraction of yours.

Also, I find it needed - and fun - to offer a counterweight to all the crying about how everything sucks. The "truth" is of course somewhere inbetween.
 
HugoTwoWheels
Sure, but I prioritize BoP, daily race C, championships and private leagues, and the huge pool of players leading to fair and hard competition any hour of the day. If something else was more popular online and had better everyday e-sport, I'd leave GT immediately. I'm never loyal to anything but my own personal values - I just don't see alternatives that are better for me and my preferences.

When it comes to comparing games themselves, my experience and knowledge is a tiny fraction of yours.

Also, I find it needed - and fun - to offer a counterweight to all the crying about how everything sucks. The "truth" is of course somewhere inbetween.
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Online could be. PC sims are mostly about simulation. And GT7 is way behind. I think GT7 is so frustrating experience it doesn't deserve anything good. It's in the design to create frustration with everything. Not good, we are paid customers.
 
HugoTwoWheels
Sure, but I prioritize BoP, daily race C, championships and private leagues, and the huge pool of players leading to fair and hard competition any hour of the day. If something else was more popular online and had better everyday e-sport, I'd leave GT immediately. I'm never loyal to anything but my own personal values - I just don't see alternatives that are better for me and my preferences.

When it comes to comparing games themselves, my experience and knowledge is a tiny fraction of yours.

Also, I find it needed - and fun - to offer a counterweight to all the crying about how everything sucks. The "truth" is of course somewhere inbetween.
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And on console that's fair, but dismissing PC on that basis is odd, particularly given that GT lifted its Sport mode wholesale from iRacing.

Either directly through the title or via plugins pretty much every PC racing title offers what you seem to belive is unique to GT.
 
Lomic
Including the large online player pool?
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Not across all titles no, as PC gaming is more niche than consoles. I've never however struggled to find races in RaceRoom, and while I don't race in it iRacing certainly seems more than busy in terms of its race schedules and pool of drivers despite offering a much wider range of races than GT's Sport mode does.

Just checked, iRacing has 9 different events, all with participants starting in the next 5 minutes, with another nine starting on the hour, etc.

I would also argue that some of the PC titles offer more variety and are more consistent in approach, particularly given the issues I see raised here around the frequent changes to Sport mode, such as BoP, variety, unused tracks/layouts, the now split player base, changeable penalties, etc.
 
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Scaff
Not across all titles no, as PC gaming is more niche than consoles. I've never however struggled to find races in RaceRoom, and while I don't race in it iRacing certainly seems more than busy in terms of its race schedules and pool of drivers despite offering a much wider range of races than GT's Sport mode does.

Just checked, iRacing has 9 different events, all with participants starting in the next 5 minutes, with another nine starting on the hour, etc.

I would also argue that some of the PC titles offer more variety and are more consistent in approach, particularly given the issues I see raised here around the frequent changes to Sport mode, such as BoP, variety, unused tracks/layouts, the now split player base, changeable penalties, etc.
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iracing has it covered but the investment there is steep, paying for all the DLC you want can set you broke if you're not careful, on top of your costs for a nice gaming PC, Sim rig etc just to be on the same starting level as others. PC racing is a whole other ballgame.

Raceroom is the alternative and is much more affordable in cost, it's a very nice sim and still holds up remarkably in the sound design but the breadth of the playerbase depends on what region you are for the best ping. Gran Turismo games have a huge reach when they're online, GT7 however is a bit amiss.
 
Paulyrichard
I agree. The game is hollow and absolutely lacking.
My overall experiences are is that this game makes an absolute mockery of tuning principles...
The physics and handling of the cars are like something from Burnout...
The Trial Mountain track in the WTC700 series has a seriously different level of grip/ feeling than the track you can race on in a custom race...
The GT40 after buying it l have found out is a pile of trash and drives like a tank. I thought it's body was made of fibreglass! Clearly it's made of 2" thick lead sheet in GT7...
As for the future, it will be more of what you got now. Low payout from dull catch the rabbit, rubber band racing.
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Man, the GT40 Mk1 really bummed me out after I had a chance to drive it for a while. I've eventually gotten it to a decent state but nowhere near as nice as it was in Sport. Maybe it's more "realistic" but given I'm not a billionaire I can't really buy one to find out.
BrunusCL82
I never got used to playing Project Cars. I love Gran Turismo gameplay. And I would very much like PD to have the production pace of Slighty Mad to deliver its customers a circuit list similar to PC3.

I can't understand that, despite all the long production time, added to the budget, PD can't deliver a list of real circuits at least similar to half of this list.View attachment 1129156
The developer of the RIDE franchise, the Italian Milestone, is another that manages to put an incredible diversity of real and iconic circuits in its games. I don't understand why PD has this difficulty. This is list of the RIDE 4:
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Oh, PD could do it, they just won't pay what the owners ask to license them. Same reason we don't even the the base model C8 Vette even though it's been on the road for over two years, let alone the 2023 Z06 and Z07 that many automotive outlets got to check out months ago and report on all the specs. I highly doubt Chevrolet is asking a king's ransom to license it, but it would take work and money, both things PD apparently feels their new game does not deserve very much of...
 

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