Air Force One tagged by Marc Ecko.

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Awesome, awesome, awesome. Pure brilliant!
 
Woooow. It's crazy that he got inside like that. But it's dumb as hell that he put the video on the internet where the government could find it. They probably won't, but I can see them nabbing him up if they felt like it. I can also see the security for that plane being ridiculous from now on. I can also see that incident being on national news channels. Problem is, I haven't. Does it seem news-worthy to you guys? Do you know if they have a decoy or an older 747 Air Force One that isn't used anymore lying around at some air base? I can't see how we wouldn't be told of this, especially since it's easily accessible on the interweb.
 
keef
Woooow. It's crazy that he got inside like that. But it's dumb as hell that he put the video on the internet where the government could find it. They probably won't, but I can see them nabbing him up if they felt like it. I can also see the security for that plane being ridiculous from now on. I can also see that incident being on national news channels. Problem is, I haven't. Does it seem news-worthy to you guys?

Oh yeah that'll get on the news easy. Lack security around Air Force one!!! C'mon dude, if he wanted he coulda planted a bomb it was that easy.
 
That's exactly what I'm getting at. I updated my post^. I can't imagine the security around the real Air Force One being that lax. I'm sure if you got caught you'd be in custody immediately.
I can sort of see the message that his "Still Free" tag is saying. Obviously Americans are still freer than we think we are--he freaking got to Air Force One--but it's also saying that we aren't as free as we used to be and saying that we're almost fighting the laws and getting around them. I doubt he gets any promotion from that thing.
 
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You, the viewer of the preceeding are hereby advised that the video does not depict a real event. It is intended for the sole, limited and express purpose of entertainment and to induce you, the viewer of the video, to think critically about freedom of expression and speech and the government's responses to the same. Therefore, and by reason of the foregoing, the producers, creators and distributors of this video hereby verily certify that the foregoing fictionalization and dramatization was not real.
 
What do they mean by "not real"? Did they set it up and pay for it or soemthing? Was it like a movie set? It sure wasn't a photosop job, or whatever they use to edit movies. I was pretty suspicious about that. Good looking out, backspace. It's kind of retarded for them to make a video they knew would start a ruckus amongst interwebbers.
 
It's a true shame that so few people actually bother to educate themselves with regards towards graffiti. There is too much ignorance and generalistation. It is something that I try to shed light upon but unfortunately so many ignore and dismiss. Graffiti will never die, it will never go away, no matter how great the punishment (see Las Vegas's mayor's ideas), no matter how great the risk. There is a message and there is a purpose and there is a beauty to graffiti, something that is overlooked.

Nothing offends more than large red text reading IGNORANCE painted over a buffed piece of graffiti, in plain writing (people don't bother to read it if it has a street-like font, bold Times New Roman works best).

(that Getting Up game was a tragedy. Completely lame portrayal of graffiti)
 
If it was real we probably would of heared about it sooner. I don't think it's real but it may be possible.
 
Hey, graffiti is fine with me as long as it uses attractive, legible, happy, positive colors and designs and promotes good ideas. All the ghetto crap you see on train cars is annoying.
 
AF1 has appeared in so many films and TV shows - there must be at least one old 747 painted up as a 'stunt double'
 
keef
Hey, graffiti is fine with me as long as it uses attractive, legible, happy, positive colors and designs and promotes good ideas. All the ghetto crap you see on train cars is annoying.
and as long as it's on your own walls and not mine or or anyone's walls it is on should have given consent. If some kid just graffiti's a wall that's vandalism, if some kid asks whoever that wall belongs to and they say yes, that's fine. You can aply this to buses, trains ect, whereve graffiti can be put, if they haven't been given consent, thy're vandals, simple as.
 
That's right, they should definitely have consent. Good point. Wothout it their graffiti is just vandalism.
 
If consent was seeked brilliant political statements such as Banksy's would not exist.
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Those are some of Banksy's murals on the Israel-Palestine Seperation Wall.

By making certain forms and certain locations legal to graffiti in the quality of graffiti will drastically improve, things like "T0xIc o3" and "sALy LUVZ Jke" are a result of morons scribbiling things in haste.
 
That's still vandalism, if some kid decides to spray a peace logo on my wall regardless of the thought behind it, I'd go absolutely spare. If they don't have consent all their doing is vandalising. If they have consent to do it on that wall or bus, then fine, if not, then it's not.
 
Ahhh, but this is an illegal wall condemned by the UN on which Banksy has spray ed somthing completely alien to the constant gibberish found on many walls.

Also I cant quite imagine the Israeli government agreeing to have anything sprayed on their wall, however artful.
 
I'm not talking about that wall specifically, I'm talking about graffiti in general, there's loads in Manchester, all done illegally, does it make Manchester look nicer, not worse, a lot worse. Whould it be okay for these guy's to spray their graffiti wherever they want, no, the bottom line is, if they haven't been given permission to, it's vandalsim. This example you gave of Bansky's work is still vandalism I would argue that vandalising an illegally built wall is less of a crime than an legally built one, but it is still vandalism. I wouldn't want to see any of my area having any graffiti on it, I don't know any one living in my area who would becasue it doesn't make the place look nicer, it actually lowers the area's status thus reducing the value of property in that area, sounds extreme but you don't need a hell of a lot of graffiti around to lower the value of a house that's nearby.
 
The only place I can imagine it would be in lower-status around a city. If artists could get permission they could start organizations to go around the city and brighten up the not-so-lovable areas of town. The nice paintings could adorn once ugly buildings and boost morale. It could give the area good character, as opposed to the bad image it might currently hold.
Maybe the grffiti wouldn't help. Maybe it would be a complete waste of time. Maybe it would this, maybe it wouldn't that. I don't know--give it a try. I can think of a few areas of Dayton that could use a little brightening up.
I don't want it on my house, definitely, but there are a lot of boring, decrepid corner stores and the like that are deteriorating and look like hell. A new paint job might be nice. And I'm not talking about political propaganda, I'm just wanting a happy picture.
 
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things like "T0xIc o3" and "sALy LUVZ Jke" are a result of morons scribbiling things in haste.

I must say, that TOX/TOxIc 03/04/05 bloke is quite hard working, he has covered a vast amount of area on a lot of the main London Underground lines!!

I also think you've raised a valid point, the scribblings and marker pen grafitti that is rife today is the grafitti that i have issues with. However i do see some grafitti that i quite like, for example the ones that Flame has pointed out and others which show that a lot of time has been taken, these ones look pretty decent, ashame that most of it is done in prohibited places though, which is wrong.

If there were places that were earmarked for nicer works of grafitti, i think it would be great. But the etchings into bus windows, vandalism of property and lousy scribblings is what i'm against.
 
Believe it or not, there are some people who pay graffiti artists to come in and make their buildings more visually appealing. Usually it's in the city where everything's brick, pavement, and concrete, so building owners want to make things a bit prettier around their respective edifices.

Therefore, and by reason of the foregoing, the producers, creators and distributors of this video hereby verily certify that the foregoing fictionalization and dramatization was not real.

Anyone else catching a double negative in there, or is it just me?
 
Graffiti was started in ****ty neighborhoods, so a nice piece does improve the look of the neighborhood. I can imagine that you wouldn't want to see it on your villa or any monument in your city. However, I don't think a concrete wall in an alley or on the side of a train track will suffer from some well-done graff. Random tags in buses and trains and where ever public places do annoy me, if you're going to do graff at least make it look nice.
 
It's still vandalism unless you've been authorised to do it by the owner of the propery your spraying on. Personally I'd hate to see any graffiti in my neighborhood, and regardless of what it can do for the look of a wall, if you expand you horizons the overall look is usually negative, and it does reduce the value of property.
 
The school i went to last year had 2 walls full of graffiti drawings. Looked nice.
The building from the culture department of our town also has graffiti paintings on the wall where the entrance is.

I love the art, hate the tags, especially if it's sprayed over the art
 
Alright let me place my argument infront of you, and hopefully you will take the time to read and consider it.

I live in the suburbs of Montreal, Canada. Montreal is known for its graffiti in Canada, no other city in the country has more of it. I got into graffiti a few months ago when I saw some books and got more interested as I started noticing it more (there is a lot more graffiti if you try to notice it). I started sketching on paper during class hours and people started noticing. I had a graffiti writer come up to me in class and told me I should start painting straight away, because if I had started I would get fairly well known in a matter of a year or two.

I didn't think I was that good, but aparently I was. I had and still have no intentions of any sort of vandalistic, destructive graffiti otherwise known as throws or tagging or any sort. Here are some examples of bad graffiti.

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I was only into it for the physical beauty of a well-organized piece (piece being a large, full-colour painting). There is absolutely no restrictions preventing the artist. There is no canvas limitaitons, there are no lighting constraints or any of that. Painting a normal canvas with a brush, you can paint a nice scenery bit and have it all right, but make a mistake and everything loses its value and appeal. If you put in a martian peeking out from behind a tree, it's done. Nobody will want to see it and nobody will buy it and nobody will care for you. In graffiti, this sort of odd-ball business is encouraged. Nothing has to make sense, nothing has to be real, it is complete artistic freedom.

Of course, the irony being that there is no freedom. The police do not like when you paint up a building or wall or underpass. Here's where my argument comes into play. Graffiti will never be legal everywhere, but it can be pushed towards that direction if the public begins to see the point and purpose of graffiti.

Here are some examples well-painted pieces of good graffiti, illegal or not:

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You have to admit, those are beautiful pieces of art, am I not correct? Let's start here. I'll have to ask you for a favor. For the next couple sentences, you have to be selfish and ignore the law (I know it's super hard for some of you, but bear with me).

Alright, how does graffiti differ from a huge billboard? Well, graff is actually personal work, it takes time, it takes a large risk and it takes a creative mind and eye. Billboards take metal, money and nothing more to completely rob you of your privacy and offend your eyes, no matter where you look. Some estimate 95% of urban public space has been sold to advertising. That's a lot of public space that you cannot look at unless you want to be sold something. I hate advertising on buildings and on large billboards. They are ugly and they are intruding on public space. I did not wish to see the horizon with a billboard on it. I do not care who owns the property, it's my horizon that I can no longer see.

This is offensive, and ugly. Advertising in public space is intruding on your life, telling you to do something, and it is all legal. That is another discussion. But now, here I am, someone has offended me. I cannot answer. I cannot say anything back. If I do, I get arrested.

In this sense, you can agree that the right kind of graffiti is definitely more pleasing that an ugly billboard.

Still here? Good.

Let's say that you don't care for anyone else's property, like the selfish person you are. If it's bombed, that's their problem, if someone paints on it, that's their problem. Now if someone comes along and paints somewhere on their ugly, gray, normal building or fence, it can be okay, because it is more visually pleasing than nothing at all. If you had to be locked in a room for the rest of your life, but you had a choice between two different rooms. Room A is white. Room B, is absolutely covered in graffiti, beautiful, amazing almost illusionistic graffiti. What would you chose? I can't explain it differently than that. Graffiti can be nicer than a gray wall. Take a look up the page at how much nicer it can be that a normal wall.

To make it worse, that person can take their colour-blind eye down to the renovation store and chose a horribly-matching swatch of paint and paint over it. Now the building is uglier than it started and far uglier than with the graffiti on it.

We still have a problem. You're not that selfish person described above. Even if you try, you still relate to it, because you do not want to go down to the shop and get a can of gray paint and paint over a work of art, or call up the insurance ocmpany to have it sorted out. There's still that bit of guilt behind admitting to like how graffiti looks, especially on someone's property.

What if that property wasn't anybody's property? What if a gray underpass could be turned into a floursihing canvas full with a million colours and powerful ideas? See my point? If you would like to see a rotting gray underpass or the rusted side of a railway car or a crumbling abandonned building the way they stand, then I guess you can drive your gray cars to your colourless, dull little houses and enjoy your life that way, if it's possible.

Now you can ask, what if the walls of a city weren't gray? What if a boxcar wasn't rusted and rotting? What if everything was craaazy bright and changing colours? I'd actually be okay with that...

What if what is ugly can be made not ugly? Why would you deny this to be seen? Why would you not want to have something look nice?

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This is how I see the world. This is how I see the railway cars. This is how I see the ugly, vagrant walls around town. I will paint graffiti, I will chose the right locations, I will risk my freedom. If you have a problem with it, catch me. I am, to coin a phrase, "still free."
 
I agree, tags over art are ridiculously annoying, because in most cases, they completely ruin the art to the point of the art being unsalvageable (sp?). In fact, most tags suck in general: I say most, because I have seen a few clever ones in my day that, while still graffiti, did make me chuckle a bit.
 
I understand why people do it, but again if they do it on a wall where they haven't got permision it's wrong, it's vandalism it's stupid to do it, and like I said, if anyone decided that they're use their creativity on one of mine or my neighbors walls I'd give them what for. The bottom line is, if I don't want it on any of my walls it shouldn't go there, if the public transport services don't want graffiti on their busses it shouldn't go there, if the rail company doesn't wan't it, it shouldn't go there. It's not your property, it's not your choice.

And exigeracer, a grey underpass belongs usually to the government, so it is someone's property. Everywhere is owned by at least one person.
 
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