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I read the first couple of pages and yeah... So how do you know this is an "air restrictor"? It clearly states "Power limiter" (ECU).
Read the in-game description for the "Power Limiter" component..
I read the first couple of pages and yeah... So how do you know this is an "air restrictor"? It clearly states "Power limiter" (ECU).
'06
HP: 220 @ 7100rpm
Torque: 182ft-lb @ 4800rpm
Limiter: 97.3%
Weight: 1060kg
PP: 434
1:17.392
'02
HP: 220 @ 7100rpm
Torque: 179ft-lb @ 4800rpm
Limiter: 98.2
Weight: 1065kg
PP: 442
1:17.291
To hit 434:
Weight to 1170kg: 1:17.848
HP to 206: 1:17.915
HP: 209 @ 6800rpm
Torque: 173ft-lb @ 6300rpm
Limiter: 88.9%
Weight: 1065kg (169kg ballast)
PP: 434
1:18.616
MK1 MR2 (Supercharged)
HP: 221 @ 6000rpm
Torque: 223ft-lb @ 4900rpm
Limiter: 99.1%
Weight: 1070kg
PP: 434
1:16.232
NC Miata
HP: 220 @ 7100rpm
Torque: 185ft-lb @ 6200rpm
Limiter: 90.0%
Weight: 1065kg (85kg ballast)
PP: 434
1:16.419
Read the in-game description for the "Power Limiter" component..
Enforce a rule that the winner has to switch their car.
You may want to re-read, because I never said that. I'm certain you know what you're talking about, because we all do; the air restrictor is not a perfect equalizer for different cars. We're all on the same page there. And cars like the R390 Road Car, with large amounts of front downforce, also have an inherent advantage. Gotchya.
I have put some fairly extensive testing into the PP system; now you are the one assuming. It's simply not fact, it's your opinion - using your double-limit setup will get closer competition than using just one limiter, sure, but it still will have some cars that can never be competitive. I have an '02 Alfa 147 2.0 (Standard), and a '06 (Premium). Both tuned to identical power levels, the same weight, and even the same tuning settings.
'06
HP: 220 @ 7100rpm
Torque: 182ft-lb @ 4800rpm
Limiter: 97.3%
Weight: 1060kg
PP: 434
1:17.392
'02
HP: 220 @ 7100rpm
Torque: 179ft-lb @ 4800rpm
Limiter: 98.2
Weight: 1065kg
PP: 442
1:17.291
To hit 434:
Weight to 1170kg: 1:17.848
HP to 206: 1:17.915
Now, these aren't big differences; this is on High Speed Ring, so I expected the HP-limited car to be slowest. But this is a simple track, so a half-second on a track that requires 3 (technically 4) turns to actually put some thought into could become a far bigger margin on a longer track. What is interesting to note though, is I only ran 3 laps in the '06, and it was the first car out there. The '02, I ran more, and familiarity with the car/track combo means if anything, the '06 is probably even faster. Neither car has any ballast too; which is why the '02's 5kg heavier, without a carbon bonnet. I don't want to make any assumptions on how well those 5kg are figured into the '06's lower weight (is it really all off the nose?).
These are cars that for all intents and purposes are the same. A half-second, possibly more, on a simple track, doesn't bode well. A Suzuki Swift, maybe, since it's a small FF car too?
HP: 209 @ 6800rpm
Torque: 173ft-lb @ 6300rpm
Limiter: 88.9%
Weight: 1065kg (169kg ballast)
PP: 434
1:18.616
Now that's weird, since it utilizes more of the limiter, essentially swelling it's torque curve compared to if I had just tuned it to 209HP itself. Also, I got to place all that extra weight where I wanted, for optimal handling (which oddly doesn't change a PP rating either). And yet, still, not even within a second of the others. For two more wildcards:
MK1 MR2 (Supercharged)
HP: 221 @ 6000rpm
Torque: 223ft-lb @ 4900rpm
Limiter: 99.1%
Weight: 1070kg
PP: 434
1:16.232
NC Miata
HP: 220 @ 7100rpm
Torque: 185ft-lb @ 6200rpm
Limiter: 90.0%
Weight: 1065kg (85kg ballast)
PP: 434
1:16.419
A second faster, and both matching the Alfas if you want to do double-regs (well, I can shave that 1HP off the MR2 if you'd like). The argument the restrictor is what gives the advantage doesn't work too well either, since the fastest car was running at the full 100%.
Take an original Mini and an Elise, tune them to to as similar powers and weights as you can. Give them the same gear ratios. Take to SSR7 and cross the line at the same indicated speed, on full throttle. See which one is traveling faster when it comes time to brake. Heck, my cars above all were exiting the final turn at HSR within 2mph of each other, and yet the two rear-drivers were hitting 5mph higher at the braking point for T2.
The refusal to listen to anything that doesn't mirror your own personal opinions is the definition of burying one's head in the sand. And, putting my mod hat on; creative avoidance of the swear filter is generally frowned upon.
Define "same".
I actually hardly put too much thought into which car would be the dominating one; just like Prologue, I pick cars I figure are competitive enough, that I actually enjoy driving. I barely used the Elise and Clio then, and now, I use personal favourites, still. But hey, it is a lot easier to toss the "noob" tag around when people don't agree with you.
One make races are far different than what you're suggesting. Because those actually don't have any differences. Calling this "identical" just isn't true, as it simply can't be when taking multiple cars of varying layouts. Nobody's arguing the dual-regulation method doesn't minimize huge variances between cars... but this assumption that it somehow makes them all equal is still bunk.