All is now becoming clear - GT5 was released nowhere near complete!

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Tenacious D
I don't think age has anything to do with it. GT5 was getting loaded up with features as it was, and it's hurting the graphic performance. On top of that, the game is stressing older PS3s to the point of failure sometimes, just like GT4 did on PS2. I'd love a Forza 2-like Livery Editor as much as the average car artist, but the game engine will have to be tweaked to support it.
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The complexity of the livery editor does nto have an impact on in-game performance at all. The livery editor produces layered image files. The Game then creates a flattened skin that is then substituted at run time fo rthe default skin, and takes no more realtime processing than before.

A 256x256 or 1024x1024 04 2048x248 skin is the same whether it is loaded from the CD/DVD/HDD as an as-built or recently saved "custom". Think of the livery editor as Photoshop that keeps the .PSD file and aslo saves out the .DXF that is the skin mapped to the 3D mesh.

Just wanted to clarify how the mechanics of the skin mapping works at runtime vs the functioning of an ingame skin editor.

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Technically, all games are released in a semi-completed state. Particularly those with DLC capabilities, as the game is being updated and built-upon constantly.
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Actually I don't agree... there have been quite a few games released in the history of gaming which were pretty much done at launch, and never had any additions made or patches added and didn't seem to have any reason to need either.
 
Devedander
Actually I don't agree... there have been quite a few games released in the history of gaming which were pretty much done at launch, and never had any additions made or patches added and didn't seem to have any reason to need either.
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Good point just like MGS series or Ace combat series or CoD series,those games are complete without the need of patching.
 
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Technically, all games are released in a semi-completed state. Particularly those with DLC capabilities, as the game is being updated and built-upon constantly.
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I'm pretty sure that's not correct, unless you mean that insignificant bugs that are never corrected is equal to semi-completion.
 
akiraacecombat
Good point just like MGS series or Ace combat series or CoD series,those games are complete without the need of patching.
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CoD without the need of patching? Where? That's actually one of the worst examples you could use for that. The Call of Duty games have tons of glitches which won't be fixed most of the time because they bring out a new one every year which will be bought from millions anyway.
 
Is this game perfect? No, but this is easily the best racing game for consoles. I know all racing games can't be compared but if you look at most racing games they only give you about 40-60 cars and that's a decent number for most games believe it or not. Not to mention that this game has top of the line physics and graphics (premiuim cars and some tracks). Basically what I'm trying to get at is, yeah, it took a while for the game to release but I absolutely love it, it's the only game I've been playing these past few weeks. I think it's obvious this game will only get better through numerous patches and DLC, I highly doubt PD is anywhere near done with improving this game.
 
akiraacecombat
Good point just like MGS series or Ace combat series or CoD series,those games are complete without the need of patching.
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I'd say MGS4 pushes the PS3 as hard as GT5, its a massively complex game, the best game on the PS3 IMO.
Pretty sure MGS4 and GT5 we announced around the same time, MGS4 was delayed by a few months (if I remember correctly) and delivered in a complete state, GT5 delayed for years and delivered in a pretty shambolic state. Goes to show what proper project management can do.
 
GT5 has been flop of the year for me! No good making excuses like some do on here!
I expected so much but got a half finished game after 5 years waiting!

Never known so many updates promised in such a short time!

It has massive problems with cars, gameplay etc etc. Its just v v poor
 
Bugster987
GT5 has been flop of the year for me! No good making excuses like some do on here!
I expected so much but got a half finished game after 5 years waiting!

Never known so many updates promised in such a short time!

It has massive problems with cars, gameplay etc etc. Its just v v poor
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I'm in total agreement at the moment.

I'm disappointed in the number of premium cars, and some being a waste like the yaris.

the track choice is good, but look dated.

the gameplay is good, the AI is stupid though.

O i could go on, bottom line, TURN10 aka FM3 is a much better game, and there isn't any way round that.. and I did hope this would be better, I mean I bought a PS3 on the basis of GT5. Thankfully the bluray and the likes of LBP and MAG have kept me happy.

As for the Standard>Premium update they NEED to focus on European/American cars, there is obviously a lot of Japanese models, but if the update brings another 10 Skylines in premium format, i'll probably loose all faith in Kaz.

we need more premium in BMW, Mercedes, TVR, Holden, Dodge, Ford. WE NEED NO MORE Japanese CARS!!!
 
I think if PD focused, as they did in GT1, then it would be for the better. GT is becoming too mainstream now and suffering for it.

GT1 was Japanese cars and tuning them. Maybe they should return back to their roots...
 
CoolColJ
I think if PD focused, as they did in GT1, then it would be for the better. GT is becoming too mainstream now and suffering for it.

GT1 was Japanese cars and tuning them. Maybe they should return back to their roots...
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I agree to a certain extent, they really need to refocus and actually decide what they want for the GT games of the future. GT5 is neither a true driving simulator (the lack of proper rolling and crash damage is not acceptable these days IMO).

Going main stream is not necessarily a bad thing, I fully expected them to have a full driving school mode this time to introduce new players to the series (they could/should have used Gordon,Vettlel and Loeb for this)

I also expected a full car tuning tutorial (GP4 on the PC had an excellent one of these using an F1 engineer).

As it is, we have some amazing bits of GT buried under a lot of really average stuff. Hopefully they can turn it around
 
That hypo is true, but the word "complete" is ambigius in this case. We all know that Kaz would spend another 5 years with the game if he wasn't pressurised by impatient fellas. It like a cake, you got it early eat it then.
 
Authentic718
Is this game perfect? No, but this is easily the best racing game for consoles. I know all racing games can't be compared but if you look at most racing games they only give you about 40-60 cars and that's a decent number for most games believe it or not. Not to mention that this game has top of the line physics and graphics (premiuim cars and some tracks). Basically what I'm trying to get at is, yeah, it took a while for the game to release but I absolutely love it, it's the only game I've been playing these past few weeks. I think it's obvious this game will only get better through numerous patches and DLC, I highly doubt PD is anywhere near done with improving this game.
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I sincerely hope they do improve it. Firstly, there really was no need whatsoever to have so many cars, especially when loads of them are pointless additions to such a vast roster.
I would've been happy with 3 or 4 hundred Premium models and no standard models. Then add in a hundred or more different events (on top of those we already have). Make the cars actually damage both aesthetically and mechanically. Job done.

I could've then lived with the atrocious AI and pathetic B-Spec, because it appears the guys at PD live in their own little bubble shut off from the outside world, where motor racing only happens inside their heads.
 
All I wanted are more tracks, especially world tracks like TWIN RING MOTEGI for crying sake!!!!! and Infineon Raceway, those tracks were great in GT4, why so little tracks?can somebody answer me PLEASE!!!!!
 
GT4 was the a great GT, because it had a little of GT1 and GT2 that was missing in GT3, plus no body really had many complaints about GT4. GT5 has over a thousand cars!! come , did we needed some much, MORE TRACKS would have been nice for eg: all the tracks and layout from previous GT`s. Mind you , I love GT5 but 5 years and all they talk about is over 1000 cars...sighs.
 
B Quiet N Drive
Which is BS, because those people paid the same $60 for the game that I did.
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Not everyone has high speed internet available in their area. I spent 5 months in Alaska this year & I'll tell you that Juneau was the only where I got 3G speeds.

I can imagine that certain parts of the world that don't have high speed internet or it's prohibitively expensive to have one.

Last I checked, GT5 was available worldwide.
 
arvin charles
Not everyone has high speed internet available in their area. I spent 5 months in Alaska this year & I'll tell you that Juneau was the only where I got 3G speeds.

I can imagine that certain parts of the world that don't have high speed internet or it's prohibitively expensive to have one.

Last I checked, GT5 was available worldwide.
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You don't have to go to alaska to find a place with no high speed internet.... come to Italy :D!

The southern part of Italy is still 56k (thanks god I'm in the north...), I went in sicily last summer and the only way to get to read my mail was using the 3g connection of my phone, using the pc in the hotel's lobby took 30 seconds just to load gmail's page :D
 
Abriael
No offense to you, but I have yet to see a "perfect" release from anyone.
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That's not a really good comeback. It's not like he was attacking Kaz on a personal level. It's just that he is seen as a perfectionist when in actuality the games have always had some embarrassing aspects to them and GT5 is not the exception.
 
is it just me not looking or is there no mileage meter in the gauges display while driving?..someone please answer me
 
nipponj
is it just me not looking or is there no mileage meter in the gauges display while driving?..someone please answer me
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There is no mileage meter in the gauges while driving, unfortunately.
However you can check your car's mileage in the garage screen.
 
RC45
And ironically TT, GTHD, GT5P and GTPSP have a broader more mature set of features and where more COMPLETE than GT5 is.
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Seriously, you think Prologue was more "complete"? In what universe is it considered more complete than GT5?
 
hrtrob
RC45
And ironically TT, GTHD, GT5P and GTPSP have a broader more mature set of features and where more COMPLETE than GT5 is
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Seriously, you think Prologue was more "complete"? In what universe is it considered more complete than GT5?
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Yes it was.

The features that where implimented in prologue where actually complete.

Not some lame half-arsed workovers.

That is the point really init? They never enhanced Prologue, they tosse dout many working features of the UI and the broke many features of th e engine.

You have more views in replay and in car, better HUD management, better car tuning managment.

Again, they did not take the mature features of GT3, GT4 and GT5HD snd GT5P GT5PSP and add to them, they took the features that people got used to and where expecting to be enhanced on and did away with them, broke them and tossed them and started fresh but didnt finish the game.
 
hrtrob
Seriously, you think Prologue was more "complete"? In what universe is it considered more complete than GT5?
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Good question though in some ways it is true. You could adjust the gears in the adjustable transmissions. You could have more than 1 tune saved on your car and there were some of the famous dealership events.

And of course they did have some leaderboards if only for stock tuned cars.

All in all GT5 is a much larger game than GT5P but it is missing some stuff that would need to be there to call it complete. I have no Idea what GT5P looked like at first though. The first I played was Spec III I think. Whatever it was all the updates were already done for it.
 

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