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I actually thought it was a jpeg file! But seing as how I have full access to it....duh! ;)

Thanks LoudMusic for being the party pooper here tonight! Now I can rest easy! ;)

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<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" 
content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
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  </iframe ></p>
<p>Is This.. Yours.. MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA 
- Ok, it is yours but please look at the source code.</p>
<p>After 4 calls from people who have 
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this is NOT a hack but a neat trick!</p>
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Originally posted by Pako
:lol:

I actually thought it was a jpeg file! But seing as how I have full access to it....duh! ;)

Thanks LoudMusic for being the party pooper here tonight! Now I can rest easy! ;)


Oh, that's the other thing I failed to mention. Programs don't really care (or shouldn't care ...) what the filename and filename extension are. What the program is looking for is what's inside the file. 90% of standard file types include what is refered to as a file description header. It's about 5 lines of text that tell the program what kind of file it is and what to do with it. So technically, you could name an html file "fuzzy_butt_crust.haha" and Internet Explorer would open it as normal. The whole point of filename extensions came about back in the days of DOS and has stuck with Windows up to the present (but it's being phased out as nearly as I can tell ...). The extensions were to tell the operating system what program is supposed to open the file without the operating system having to open the file first. It sees report.doc and knows that that kind of file goes to Microsoft Word without having to scan the header of the file to know what to do with it.

Macs are completely different ... boy are they different ...

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic


Oh, that's the other thing I failed to mention. Programs don't really care (or shouldn't care ...) what the filename and filename extension are. What the program is looking for is what's inside the file. 90% of standard file types include what is refered to as a file description header. It's about 5 lines of text that tell the program what kind of file it is and what to do with it. So technically, you could name an html file "fuzzy_butt_crust.haha" and Internet Explorer would open it as normal. The whole point of filename extensions came about back in the days of DOS and has stuck with Windows up to the present (but it's being phased out as nearly as I can tell ...). The extensions were to tell the operating system what program is supposed to open the file without the operating system having to open the file first. It sees report.doc and knows that that kind of file goes to Microsoft Word without having to scan the header of the file to know what to do with it.

Macs are completely different ... boy are they different ...

~LoudMusic

Hey man did i hear right.? With Windows XP DOS does not need to be installed on your comp. Is this true? And if it is. Why did all the other older Windows OS need DOS installed anyways?



I was just a bit curious about this?
 
Originally posted by NocturnalPS


Hey man did i hear right.? With Windows XP DOS does not need to be installed on your comp. Is this true? And if it is. Why did all the other older Windows OS need DOS installed anyways?



I was just a bit curious about this?
That's correct, Windows XP doesn't use DOS at all (nor have any Windows NT or 2000 OS's). Windows 3.1, 95, 98, and ME essentially just provide a pretty user interface for DOS; all that "DOS stuff" is needed behind the scenes to make them work. (LoudMusic can explain that much better than I. :p) This the primary reason why 3.1, 95, and 98 are so unreliable.
 
Originally posted by Jordan
That's correct, Windows XP doesn't use DOS at all (nor have any Windows NT or 2000 OS's). Windows 3.1, 95, 98, and ME essentially just provide a pretty user interface for DOS; all that "DOS stuff" is needed behind the scenes to make them work. (LoudMusic can explain that much better than I. :p) This the primary reason why 3.1, 95, and 98 are so unreliable.
Well thanks for input on this subject. ;) :D
 
Originally posted by Jordan
That's correct, Windows XP doesn't use DOS at all (nor have any Windows NT or 2000 OS's). Windows 3.1, 95, 98, and ME essentially just provide a pretty user interface for DOS; all that "DOS stuff" is needed behind the scenes to make them work. (LoudMusic can explain that much better than I. :p) This the primary reason why 3.1, 95, and 98 are so unreliable.

Yeah, pretty much. But Windows applications can't function with DOS alone. HOLD UP. How about a definition? DOS == Disk Operating System. DOS is the foundation upon which Windows 95/98 get their information from the hardware and send information to the hardware. Windows is mearly an inturpriter, of sorts. However, 95/98 are operating systems in their own right. They have their own instruction sets, their own 32bit programing, and can access hardware directly. The major part that DOS plays in these versions of Windows is the boot process. After that, the computer is taken over by Windows and DOS gets pushed out of the way. They emulate a DOS shell to run old Windows 3.1 apps like the calculator, though. No big deal.

Windows 3.1 was nothing more than an extremely fancy menu system for DOS. Woopie.

Windows NT 3.5 was actually Windows 3.11 with some fancy administration tools. So it wasn't even as pimp as the crappy Windows 95.

Windows NT4/2000(NT5)/XP(NT6?) are full fledged 32bit operating systems with their own boot loader, kernal, instruction sets, and a whole new approach on computing. They do nothing in the ways of DOS except emulate it for old applications. From what I understand, starting with Windows 2000, there is no programming from the days of Windows 3.1 ... THANK THE HEAVENS! Apparently XP has a cool emulation option built in. You can tell it which Microsoft operating system you would like it to emulate while running each independant application. It can do any of them in their last stable release. Pretty spiffy.

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic


Yeah, pretty much. But Windows applications can't function with DOS alone. HOLD UP. How about a definition? DOS == Disk Operating System. DOS is the foundation upon which Windows 95/98 get their information from the hardware and send information to the hardware. Windows is mearly an inturpriter, of sorts. However, 95/98 are operating systems in their own right. They have their own instruction sets, their own 32bit programing, and can access hardware directly. The major part that DOS plays in these versions of Windows is the boot process. After that, the computer is taken over by Windows and DOS gets pushed out of the way. They emulate a DOS shell to run old Windows 3.1 apps like the calculator, though. No big deal.

Windows 3.1 was nothing more than an extremely fancy menu system for DOS. Woopie.

Windows NT 3.5 was actually Windows 3.11 with some fancy administration tools. So it wasn't even as pimp as the crappy Windows 95.

Windows NT4/2000(NT5)/XP(NT6?) are full fledged 32bit operating systems with their own boot loader, kernal, instruction sets, and a whole new approach on computing. They do nothing in the ways of DOS except emulate it for old applications. From what I understand, starting with Windows 2000, there is no programming from the days of Windows 3.1 ... THANK THE HEAVENS! Apparently XP has a cool emulation option built in. You can tell it which Microsoft operating system you would like it to emulate while running each independant application. It can do any of them in their last stable release. Pretty spiffy.

~LoudMusic

Wow :eek: well thanks for the even more input on this . Well one more question? Is DOS used in anyother OS other than older ver. of Windows?
 
How about Windows being a "Shell" over windows? I've heard that term a couple times used in that context...
 
Originally posted by NocturnalPS


Wow :eek: well thanks for the even more input on this . Well one more question? Is DOS used in anyother OS other than older ver. of Windows?

Well, no. Bill Gates wrote the early versions of DOS as a college student. He founded a little company called "Microsoft" with his buddy Paul Allen. Their army of coding minions made MS-DOS, then started working on this thing called "Windows".

Operating systems are restricted mostly by the hardware. DOS requires an IBM compatible X86. The most popular being the Intel Pentium family, and predecessors. Apple also uses an IBM processor. Here's some brain tricks for you ... the PowerPC is a Motorola processor. Motorola is owned by IBM. IBM wrote OS/2 Warp (the little operating system that couldn't get up the hill) which ran programs with the win32.dll instruction set, just like Windows does, which means it could run Windows applications. Problem was, it wasn't marketed worth a darn so no one knows about OS/2, which is a shame. Windows used to be able to install on X86, Alpha, and PPC processors. Microsoft began rewriting Windows so that it would only run on X86 (Intel) hardware, and this also left OS/2 out of the shared application market, really shutting the door. IBM started it all. Xerox invented the GUI, but let it slip away to some guys from California named Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniack (Tha Woz), who previously formed a little company called Apple and had made home computers. With the gui they mad the Lisa (which bombed) and later the Macintosh. Microsoft also stole the gui from Xerox and made their own pretty interface called Windows. There were lawsuites, no one really won, and now Microsoft (from what I understand) is forced to make software for the Macintosh operating system. Ha ha. So Microsoft tries to screw IBM out of hardware sales by moving away from their processors, but they have to make software for another company that buys from IBM. At least, that's the way I see it.

BSD Unix, True64 Unix, Solaris, SunOS, Linux, NeXT, AmigaOS, IRIX, BeOS, Minux ... are all 'stand alone' operating systems. No crummy DOS here baby! Problem is ... they were all written by groups of incredibly smart people who didn't care how pretty it was, so none of them caught on for the average user. BSD, True64, Solaris, and Linux are best suited for server environments for this reason. They are hardcore operating systems that can do things that Windows and Mac OS only dream about. SunOS, AmigaOS, NeXT, BeOS, and Minux have all gone the way of the Dodo. Either phased out because of better products or just got lost in the shuffle of marketing. BeOS, AmigaOS, and NeXT are three of the greatest operating systems to ever be conceived ... it's a true shame to see them whithering away. Amiga is still around, doing what they can to improve quality in programing, but Be and NeXT have been 'liquidated' for features of their programs, but not their operating systems. NeXT was actually Steve Jobs's attempt at a UNIX-like OS during his away time from Apple.

Sun ( http://www.sun.com ) is the maker of SunOS and Solaris. Solaris basically runs the Internet. The computers that store the information about which computer "is gtplanet.net" are all Sun servers. Their flagship computer right now is the SunFire Enterprise 15,000. A fully loaded E-15K holds 72 processors (64bit) running at 900MHz with 8mb cache, and over half a terabyte (512GB) of RAM. An Intel Pentium 3 900mhz processor has 128kb of cache and is only 32bit. Bit rates are exponential, so going from 32bit to 64bit allows you to process exceding huge chuncks of data. And processor cache is used to store whatever processes the computer is currently working on, the more the better. Compare 256kb to 8mb .... that would be 1/32 the amount of cache. Sheit! I've never actually done the math on that ... that's a lot of cache.

Linux is a rare OS. It has been 'ported' to every conceivable hardware configuration. There is not a processor that Linux can't be compiled to run on. Heck, it can even run a Dreamcast, PS, PS2, XBox, and GameCube. Packaged installs include: Anything that Windows runs on, all Macintosh hardware, all Sun hardware, all SGI hardware, all NeXT hardware, all IBM hardware, all Amiga hardware, all Be hardware, ... what am I leaving out? Oh, people have even had it running on old mainframes. Now that is some seriously cool stuff. The major companies that are using Linux - IBM, HP, Compaq, Dell, and all the "we do Linux only" shops like Penguin Computing. Did you know that Google is powered by a fleet of little Linux boxen? They're about like your personal computer, only there are about a thousand of them. When one dies, they drop in a new one and it begins filling its hard drive with cached websites.

People talk about the latest and greatest all the time, and how much faster it is than the previous latest and greatest. They rarely think about computers that A) didn't even run a windowized interface, and B) weren't measured in GHz, MHz, or even low KHz, but just Hz. That's when it all started my friends. And Microsoft and Apple were still pooping their pants while DEC, HP and IBM were making the world go`round.

But that doesn't mean anything to anyone here, I'm afraid ... hey if you're looking for a kick ass computer to purchase this season, get a Sony MX workstation. They're PIMP!

http://www.vaio.net/mx_overview.htm

My second choice would be anything haus from Dell. I'm digging the Inspiron 8100 right now (: I mean, 15" display that does 1600 x 1200? BEAT THAT ANYBODY!

Man, I am such a geek ....

~LoudMusic
 
If you are running a server in other words use Linux, even on X86 it is one of the most reliable configs that you will ever be able to run.

One more thing about computers...: It is not nessesarily all windows fault that it crashes all the time...

Reasons:
1. Windows is an OS, not your hardware, it tries to work with your hardware as much as possible, but when things arn't set up properly, they tend to fail. (ever try running a sbLive with any old non pci card?) hardware configs are one of the most common things to cause windows to fail.

2. Lots of it is YOUR fault. Ok, you arn't a geneous, you suck at computers, but you decide your video card needs a software update (you do update your drivers don't you?????? :rolleyes: ) You get to the screen that displays drives on the website.... There are so many choices. In my case there are 6 ALL In Wonder cards to choose. Every try picking the wrong one :(.

3. Windows actually does suck, and linux does a much better job of managing hardware conflicts.... :D

I left lots out, becuase it is time to go to bed and I am rambling.....
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic


Well, no. Bill Gates wrote the early versions of DOS as a college student. He founded a little company called "Microsoft" with his buddy Paul Allen. Their army of coding minions made MS-DOS, then started working on this thing called "Windows".

Operating systems are restricted mostly by the hardware. DOS requires an IBM compatible X86. The most popular being the Intel Pentium family, and predecessors. Apple also uses an IBM processor. Here's some brain tricks for you ... the PowerPC is a Motorola processor. Motorola is owned by IBM. IBM wrote OS/2 Warp (the little operating system that couldn't get up the hill) which ran programs with the win32.dll instruction set, just like Windows does, which means it could run Windows applications. Problem was, it wasn't marketed worth a darn so no one knows about OS/2, which is a shame. Windows used to be able to install on X86, Alpha, and PPC processors. Microsoft began rewriting Windows so that it would only run on X86 (Intel) hardware, and this also left OS/2 out of the shared application market, really shutting the door. IBM started it all. Xerox invented the GUI, but let it slip away to some guys from California named Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniack (Tha Woz), who previously formed a little company called Apple and had made home computers. With the gui they mad the Lisa (which bombed) and later the Macintosh. Microsoft also stole the gui from Xerox and made their own pretty interface called Windows. There were lawsuites, no one really won, and now Microsoft (from what I understand) is forced to make software for the Macintosh operating system. Ha ha. So Microsoft tries to screw IBM out of hardware sales by moving away from their processors, but they have to make software for another company that buys from IBM. At least, that's the way I see it.

BSD Unix, True64 Unix, Solaris, SunOS, Linux, NeXT, AmigaOS, IRIX, BeOS, Minux ... are all 'stand alone' operating systems. No crummy DOS here baby! Problem is ... they were all written by groups of incredibly smart people who didn't care how pretty it was, so none of them caught on for the average user. BSD, True64, Solaris, and Linux are best suited for server environments for this reason. They are hardcore operating systems that can do things that Windows and Mac OS only dream about. SunOS, AmigaOS, NeXT, BeOS, and Minux have all gone the way of the Dodo. Either phased out because of better products or just got lost in the shuffle of marketing. BeOS, AmigaOS, and NeXT are three of the greatest operating systems to ever be conceived ... it's a true shame to see them whithering away. Amiga is still around, doing what they can to improve quality in programing, but Be and NeXT have been 'liquidated' for features of their programs, but not their operating systems. NeXT was actually Steve Jobs's attempt at a UNIX-like OS during his away time from Apple.

Sun ( http://www.sun.com ) is the maker of SunOS and Solaris. Solaris basically runs the Internet. The computers that store the information about which computer "is gtplanet.net" are all Sun servers. Their flagship computer right now is the SunFire Enterprise 15,000. A fully loaded E-15K holds 72 processors (64bit) running at 900MHz with 8mb cache, and over half a terabyte (512GB) of RAM. An Intel Pentium 3 900mhz processor has 128kb of cache and is only 32bit. Bit rates are exponential, so going from 32bit to 64bit allows you to process exceding huge chuncks of data. And processor cache is used to store whatever processes the computer is currently working on, the more the better. Compare 256kb to 8mb .... that would be 1/32 the amount of cache. Sheit! I've never actually done the math on that ... that's a lot of cache.

Linux is a rare OS. It has been 'ported' to every conceivable hardware configuration. There is not a processor that Linux can't be compiled to run on. Heck, it can even run a Dreamcast, PS, PS2, XBox, and GameCube. Packaged installs include: Anything that Windows runs on, all Macintosh hardware, all Sun hardware, all SGI hardware, all NeXT hardware, all IBM hardware, all Amiga hardware, all Be hardware, ... what am I leaving out? Oh, people have even had it running on old mainframes. Now that is some seriously cool stuff. The major companies that are using Linux - IBM, HP, Compaq, Dell, and all the "we do Linux only" shops like Penguin Computing. Did you know that Google is powered by a fleet of little Linux boxen? They're about like your personal computer, only there are about a thousand of them. When one dies, they drop in a new one and it begins filling its hard drive with cached websites.

People talk about the latest and greatest all the time, and how much faster it is than the previous latest and greatest. They rarely think about computers that A) didn't even run a windowized interface, and B) weren't measured in GHz, MHz, or even low KHz, but just Hz. That's when it all started my friends. And Microsoft and Apple were still pooping their pants while DEC, HP and IBM were making the world go`round.

But that doesn't mean anything to anyone here, I'm afraid ... hey if you're looking for a kick ass computer to purchase this season, get a Sony MX workstation. They're PIMP!

http://www.vaio.net/mx_overview.htm

My second choice would be anything haus from Dell. I'm digging the Inspiron 8100 right now (: I mean, 15" display that does 1600 x 1200? BEAT THAT ANYBODY!

Man, I am such a geek ....

~LoudMusic

WOW WOW WOW !!! :eek: :eek: man Your a pimp man! If i ever encounter any problems ill be sure to ask you for your help on anything. :eek: :eek: :eek: oh yeah by the way thanks for the much info. :eek: :eek:
 
This is interesting how this thread mutated into such a good area for OS history. Thanks ~LoudMusic for your insightful and complete information. BTW - have you written any books or any thesis'? Great information.....life can be so complicating sometimes, then someone comes along and makes just a little easier to digest. And as always...(this was stated earlier today, but applies so well) the more I learn, I come to realize how much more I really don't know! ;)

:cheers:

Keep the good info coming! :loudmusic
 
Originally posted by Jazza

How the hell did you do that????????????????

like this::::

Originally posted by LoudMusic



The best way I can teach you is to use someone else's site. W3Schools ( http://www.w3schools.com ) is the BOMB for HTML education.

http://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml_iframe

That is a direct link to the "TryIt Editor" that they have setup. You can edit html and test it on the fly.

Html is just a simple scripting language. It reads files from a file system and puts them in your browser window. The html files can target anything on any files system that your browser has access to. Most of the time people write websites that only target files on the web server. This guy chose to open the folder "c:\" in an iframe. So your browser loads what it knows to be "c:\" in the iframe. Nothing really spooky to it (:

(names have been hashed to protect the inocent)

~LoudMusic
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic
Well, no. Bill Gates wrote the early versions of DOS as a college student. He founded a little company called "Microsoft" with his buddy Paul Allen. Their army of coding minions made MS-DOS, then started working on this thing called "Windows".

Operating systems are restricted mostly by the hardware. DOS requires an IBM compatible X86. The most popular being the Intel Pentium family, and predecessors. Apple also uses an IBM processor. Here's some brain tricks for you ... the PowerPC is a Motorola processor. Motorola is owned by IBM. IBM wrote OS/2 Warp (the little operating system that couldn't get up the hill) which ran programs with the win32.dll instruction set, just like Windows does, which means it could run Windows applications. Problem was, it wasn't marketed worth a darn so no one knows about OS/2, which is a shame. Windows used to be able to install on X86, Alpha, and PPC processors. Microsoft began rewriting Windows so that it would only run on X86 (Intel) hardware, and this also left OS/2 out of the shared application market, really shutting the door. IBM started it all. Xerox invented the GUI, but let it slip away to some guys from California named Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniack (Tha Woz), who previously formed a little company called Apple and had made home computers. With the gui they mad the Lisa (which bombed) and later the Macintosh. Microsoft also stole the gui from Xerox and made their own pretty interface called Windows. There were lawsuites, no one really won, and now Microsoft (from what I understand) is forced to make software for the Macintosh operating system. Ha ha. So Microsoft tries to screw IBM out of hardware sales by moving away from their processors, but they have to make software for another company that buys from IBM. At least, that's the way I see it.

BSD Unix, True64 Unix, Solaris, SunOS, Linux, NeXT, AmigaOS, IRIX, BeOS, Minux ... are all 'stand alone' operating systems. No crummy DOS here baby! Problem is ... they were all written by groups of incredibly smart people who didn't care how pretty it was, so none of them caught on for the average user. BSD, True64, Solaris, and Linux are best suited for server environments for this reason. They are hardcore operating systems that can do things that Windows and Mac OS only dream about. SunOS, AmigaOS, NeXT, BeOS, and Minux have all gone the way of the Dodo. Either phased out because of better products or just got lost in the shuffle of marketing. BeOS, AmigaOS, and NeXT are three of the greatest operating systems to ever be conceived ... it's a true shame to see them whithering away. Amiga is still around, doing what they can to improve quality in programing, but Be and NeXT have been 'liquidated' for features of their programs, but not their operating systems. NeXT was actually Steve Jobs's attempt at a UNIX-like OS during his away time from Apple.

Sun ( http://www.sun.com ) is the maker of SunOS and Solaris. Solaris basically runs the Internet. The computers that store the information about which computer "is gtplanet.net" are all Sun servers. Their flagship computer right now is the SunFire Enterprise 15,000. A fully loaded E-15K holds 72 processors (64bit) running at 900MHz with 8mb cache, and over half a terabyte (512GB) of RAM. An Intel Pentium 3 900mhz processor has 128kb of cache and is only 32bit. Bit rates are exponential, so going from 32bit to 64bit allows you to process exceding huge chuncks of data. And processor cache is used to store whatever processes the computer is currently working on, the more the better. Compare 256kb to 8mb .... that would be 1/32 the amount of cache. Sheit! I've never actually done the math on that ... that's a lot of cache.

Linux is a rare OS. It has been 'ported' to every conceivable hardware configuration. There is not a processor that Linux can't be compiled to run on. Heck, it can even run a Dreamcast, PS, PS2, XBox, and GameCube. Packaged installs include: Anything that Windows runs on, all Macintosh hardware, all Sun hardware, all SGI hardware, all NeXT hardware, all IBM hardware, all Amiga hardware, all Be hardware, ... what am I leaving out? Oh, people have even had it running on old mainframes. Now that is some seriously cool stuff. The major companies that are using Linux - IBM, HP, Compaq, Dell, and all the "we do Linux only" shops like Penguin Computing. Did you know that Google is powered by a fleet of little Linux boxen? They're about like your personal computer, only there are about a thousand of them. When one dies, they drop in a new one and it begins filling its hard drive with cached websites.

People talk about the latest and greatest all the time, and how much faster it is than the previous latest and greatest. They rarely think about computers that A) didn't even run a windowized interface, and B) weren't measured in GHz, MHz, or even low KHz, but just Hz. That's when it all started my friends. And Microsoft and Apple were still pooping their pants while DEC, HP and IBM were making the world go`round.

But that doesn't mean anything to anyone here, I'm afraid ... hey if you're looking for a kick ass computer to purchase this season, get a Sony MX workstation. They're PIMP!

http://www.vaio.net/mx_overview.htm

My second choice would be anything haus from Dell. I'm digging the Inspiron 8100 right now (: I mean, 15" display that does 1600 x 1200? BEAT THAT ANYBODY!

Man, I am such a geek ....

~LoudMusic

i actually found this on a search for the word "dodo"...i was just looking for something for a new avatar and found this great piece of writing, i think it's worth bringing back...
 
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