Am I missing out by not doing the 20 million credit glitch?

[foxdylan]

there can only be two types of none glitch gamers .

Those who except the fact that they will never own or drive half of the amazing cars on offer in Gt6

Or

Those who have the time , effort and drive to earn them the proper way grinding.

Too the second lot I suggest , don't complain .... Instead put the controller down go out side , get a job , find a partner fall in love , get some excersize , catch a movie spend some time with the family.
Because by the Time you are half way through your grind the rest of us will of finished GT7

 

[swg]

"Yes obviously, and it's ridiculous that PD decides to address this by putting two price tags on the game content."

You didnt buy unlimited credits. You bought a game with cars that you knew you would have to unlock/purchase through in game progression. Then saw an easy way to get everything with no effort and jumped on it. Complaints about the cash shop are nothing more than baseless justification.

 

[C_Raccoon23]

+1

The distinction is not who has exploited and who has not, but who is a true fan of Gran Turismo, and who is not. I am a loyal fan, I always have been.

Those who use exploits will always have a valid excuse to justify their actions, believing that crowd mentality has given their cause justification. There is no justification. Perhaps those of us who have not exploited the game, should become more vocal about those who have. I am unequivocal in my opinion, everyone who has used the exploit, should be banned from playing the online portion of the game, permanently. Enjoy the game in the comfort of your own home, you will not be hurting there.

This is the definition of a protest, to stand up for something that is clearly wrong, not abusing a system, as an excuse for a perceived fault, whilst masquerading dishonest methods, as a legitimate protest. Gran Turismo 6 is not a perfect game by any means, but as time has shown with Gran Turismo 5, the series is very well supported. I am confident that the game we will be playing, hopefully minus the exploiters, will be very different to the one we are playing at this moment in time.

It does not matter how many exploiters stand up and argue their point, the truth is still the truth, even if they refuse to accept it. So the next time you see someone talking about exploiting the game, look upon their character. They are without honour, integrity, or principle. They would rather resort to nefarious methods, than fight the good fight. This is the distinction, which always separates men from boys.

OK, rant over, back to the grind... :Sly:

Oh, wow.

Once you started using this glitch as a way to judge a person, I stopped taking your post seriously. No, I stopped taking it seriously once you said people should be banned from online for using it. But who knows? Maybe Sony will ban users for using this exploit like they did to people who exploited the gifting feature and the SSR7 glitch in GT5. Oh wait, they never did.

But nevermind, I apparently have no honor, integrity, or principle, simply because I want to enjoy driving my favorite cars. I'm such a sinner.

It's GT5 all over again. Good times.

Glitch users just want everything and want it now.

Are you done lying to yourself?

 

[Squach240]

To be honest, I did the glitch. But I only did it so I can simply just drive certain expensive cars. I did get 50 million, and it was gone in mainly two cars. I feel I haven't lost anything. I still dwell single-player. But I spend much of my time in time trial.

I don't go online and use the highest PP car. It's not cheating unless you use it as a cheat.

 

[swg]

Oh, wow.

Once you started using this glitch as a way to judge a person, I stopped taking your post seriously. No, I stopped taking it seriously once you said people should be banned from online for using it. But who knows? Maybe Sony will ban users for using this exploit like they did to people who exploited the gifting feature and the SSR7 glitch in GT5. Oh wait, they never did.

But nevermind, I apparently have no honor, integrity, or principle, simply because I want to enjoy driving my favorite cars. I'm such a sinner.

It's GT5 all over again. Good times.



Are you done lying to yourself?

And you refuse to see the whole picture. By spreading this glitch and promoting it you are taking away from potential cash shop sales. Money from which could go into the salaries of PD employees and into development for future titles so we can all get a better product. All that seems to matter to glitchers is "me", what can "I" get and how can "I" get it easiest. Whether you like the cash shop concept or not, using it was PD's decision to make. If you don't want to use it no one is forcing you too. But I assure you the guy working over at PD who might have gotten a raise or bonus but wont if the game doesn't produce predicted profits won't thank you for promoting this glitch. People are so determined to convince themselves that their actions are all about themselves and have no effect on anyone else.

To be honest, I did the glitch. But I only did it so I can simply just drive certain expensive cars. I did get 50 million, and it was gone in mainly two cars. I feel I haven't lost anything. I still dwell single-player. But I spend much of my time in time trial.

I don't go online and use the highest PP car. It's not cheating unless you use it as a cheat.

See my previous post...

 

[Exorcet]

You didnt buy unlimited credits.

Correct, and I wouldn't. They have no value and can't actually have a price point. Not to say of course that PD has stepped beyond their rights to use a nonsensical price model, but they had better be ready for the consequences of doing so.

You bought a game with cars that you knew you would have to unlock/purchase through in game progression. Then saw an easy way to get everything with no effort and jumped on it. Complaints about the cash shop are nothing more than baseless justification.

Firstly I didn't buy the game when it failed to have everything available from the start and then compounded this with the insane credit buying. Secondly the cash shop has nothing to do with this because my stance toward the glitch would not change regardless.

And you refuse to see the whole picture. By spreading this glitch and promoting it you are taking away from potential cash shop sales. Money from which could go into the salaries of PD employees and into development for future titles so we can all get a better product.

You know what will develop a better product than a mystery sales drop? Feedback (if PD choose to listen). People here are being vocal about using the glitch and why. There is your better product.

All that seems to matter to glitchers is "me", what can "I" get and how can "I" get it easiest. Whether you like the cash shop concept or not, using it was PD's decision to make. If you don't want to use it no one is forcing you too. But I assure you the guy working over at PD who might have gotten a raise or bonus but wont if the game doesn't produce predicted profits won't thank you for promoting this glitch. People are so determined to convince themselves that their actions are all about themselves and have no effect on anyone else.

So the people who don't buy the game because of terrible decision making on the dev's part are selfish and trying to ruin the lives of PD employees?

It seems that what matters to glitchers is quite varied. From getting a better product for themselves and others, simply choosing a way to play the game that suits them without negatively impacting others, to whatever other reasons people have posted. You want to be in denial about that and pretend its selfishness. I have no idea why.

How is obtaining vehicles and upgrades without any effort or cost NOT obtaining an unfair advantage. If a person is in an online race using classic race cars and they have to drive a charger while someone who glitched is driving a $20 mil ferrari, I'd call that unfair advantage. If they earned it no, it's earned advantage. Glitched it... theyre cheating plain and simple.

The only way obtaining cars and upgrades could be an advantage would be poor game design. Offline doesn't matter, it's a single person experience. In online racing rules are in place for fair racing. That is a requirement for fair racing. So what's in the garage is moot.

If they "earned" that $20 million car after having the bluray disk rotate a specified number of times inside the PS3 and use it in a race against cars that are inferior, against the rules that is an unfair advantage. Glitching a $20 million car and using it in an approved room is completely fine.

 

[CDJW]

I find it amusing that people are saying that gaining cars in any way except grinding for them is somehow "cheating". I guess this means that PD endorses "cheaters" since they sell credits as a means of avoiding the grind and jumping ahead. Or maybe you aren't a "cheater" if you're rich and can spend thousands of real world dollars on a game. How people get the cars affects NOBODY. You can't race a high end car against a Fit online so it doesn't really matter. It's also not really taking money out of PD's pockets either because the people who need to glitch probably can't afford to buy credits anyway so they would have never spent money on them in the first place. This issue seems to just be an excuse for already pompous people to act like they're better than everyone else. Those types of people make me sick and I have no use for them. Newsflash. It's a game. The world won't come to an end if a game never existed. The world has a lot more important problems to deal with. This thread should be deleted.

 

[AzNTypeR]

I only used the credits to BUY BACK the cars that I've already earned in GT5.

Sounds bad but, I don't understand why I'd have to buy 100s of dollars to at leaste get my garage back to the way it was in GT5.

 

[swg]

Correct, and I wouldn't. They have no value and can't actually have a price point. Not to say of course that PD has stepped beyond their rights to use a nonsensical price model, but they had better be ready for the consequences of doing so.

If people want them then they do have value. That's pretty much the definition of value. Glitcher's have no right to determine what they consider acceptable and then impose their own "punishment" for PD beyond simply not buying the game or the cash shop items available.

Firstly I didn't buy the game when it failed to have everything available from the start and then compounded this with the insane credit buying. Secondly the cash shop has nothing to do with this because my stance toward the glitch would not change regardless.

So you want to buy a game with everything unlocked from the start? You want to load the game, have every car already in your garage and have the end credits after your first race. That's a bit out of touch with reality dont you think?

You know what will develop a better product than a mystery sales drop? Feedback (if PD choose to listen). People here are being vocal about using the glitch and why. There is your better product.

If you want to be vocal about your opinions regarding the cash shop and it's prices then do so by all means. If no one is buying the credits and everyone is complaining then maybe they'll listen and drop the prices. A good thing for all of us. They'll sell more and we can have them at a reasonable price. Glitching isn't about being vocal and saying you're doing it because of the prices is just an attempt at justification of your actions. Just because you don't like the price of something doesn't give you the right to steal it. You might as well say you don't like the price of the PS4, it's not fair to charge you so much for it so you're just gonna go steal one. That'll stick it to em.

If there was no cash shop and this was just another glitch I'd say fine. Have at it. If someone beats me in an online race driving a car they bought with glitched credits I couldn't care less. I might even do it once or twice myself to save some grinding time. The fact that there IS a cash shop making said credits available changes things. You are in effect stealing product whether you want to admit it or not. You continue to say that these credits have no value because they are digital and yet the game is digital. Why not head to your local store and steal it, it's just code after all and has no value. In fact the game AND the credits have value because A. People want them and B. Someone was PAID to create the code not only for the credits but for the transaction monitoring, billing, interface, log keeping, servers ect ect, the fact that PD paid for and IS paying for these things assigns them real monetary value.

I only used the credits to BUY BACK the cars that I've already earned in GT5.

Sounds bad but, I don't understand why I'd have to buy 100s of dollars to at leaste get my garage back to the way it was in GT5.

You didnt buy GT5 again. You bought GT6. Do you think you have a right to something in a sequel just because you earned it in a previous title? I'd say you have an entire industry to convince of that. You might as well say GT6 should be free because you bought GT5.

You dont have to buy $100 of dollars, you just have to play the game... you know, that thing you bought called GT6?

 

[CDJW]

Some of us play through the game for the racing. Having every car isn't going to change that experience if you don't let it.

 

[swg]

I find it amusing that people are saying that gaining cars in any way except grinding for them is somehow "cheating". I guess this means that PD endorses "cheaters" since they sell credits as a means of avoiding the grind and jumping ahead. Or maybe you aren't a "cheater" if you're rich and can spend thousands of real world dollars on a game. How people get the cars affects NOBODY. You can't race a high end car against a Fit online so it doesn't really matter. It's also not really taking money out of PD's pockets either because the people who need to glitch probably can't afford to buy credits anyway so they would have never spent money on them in the first place. This issue seems to just be an excuse for already pompous people to act like they're better than everyone else. Those types of people make me sick and I have no use for them. Newsflash. It's a game. The world won't come to an end if a game never existed. The world has a lot more important problems to deal with. This thread should be deleted.

If you think that people who use the glitch simply can't afford to buy credits then you're a little detached from reality. Again, just saying things that make no sense to justify your actions.

 

[fm_1013]

How is obtaining vehicles and upgrades without any effort or cost NOT obtaining an unfair advantage. If a person is in an online race using classic race cars and they have to drive a charger while someone who glitched is driving a $20 mil ferrari, I'd call that unfair advantage. If they earned it no, it's earned advantage. Glitched it... theyre cheating plain and simple.

So if you pre-ordered from amazon and got free cars and 1,000,000 credits without doing anything at all, you are cheating, because you have an unfair advantage over those who bought the game later. Cheater, cheater, cheater!

 

[Sephy]

I think swg works for Sony.

 

[swg]

So if you pre-ordered from amazon and got free cars and 1,000,000 credits without doing anything at all, you are cheating, because you have an unfair advantage over those who bought the game later. Cheater, cheater, cheater!

A preorder shows intention to purchase a companies product before it is released which developers appreciate and REWARD with preorder bonuses in order to encourage people to buy the game. Another post with complete lack of logical thought.

 

[Exorcet]

If people want them then they do have value. That's pretty much the definition of value. Glitcher's have no right to determine what they consider acceptable and then impose their own "punishment" for PD beyond simply not buying the game or the cash shop items available.

And that's what's happening here. The cash shop items can be obtained in game, using only what PD provided us in the state that PD provided it to us.

So you want to buy a game with everything unlocked from the start? You want to load the game, have every car already in your garage and have the end credits after your first race. That's a bit out of touch with reality dont you think?

I've been playing games that way for decades so I don't see how it's far from reality.

If you want to be vocal about your opinions regarding the cash shop and it's prices then do so by all means. If no one is buying the credits and everyone is complaining then maybe they'll listen and drop the prices. A good thing for all of us. They'll sell more and we can have them at a reasonable price. Glitching isn't about being vocal and saying you're doing it because of the prices is just an attempt at justification of your actions. Just because you don't like the price of something doesn't give you the right to steal it. You might as well say you don't like the price of the PS4, it's not fair to charge you so much for it so you're just gonna go steal one. That'll stick it to em.

No one is condoning theft so your example has nothing to do with the glitch. Not liking the price of the PS4 gives you no right to take one. Someone giving you a contract for a free PS4 means they need to live up to that contract even if that was not the intent they had when they watched you sign it. PD gave a way to get credits in game. Unintentional it may be, but it was giving to us, no theft involved.

You are in effect stealing product whether you want to admit it or not.

Then I had better not do A-Spec since that's theft as well.

You continue to say that these credits have no value because they are digital and yet the game is digital.

Citation please.

Why not head to your local store and steal it

Stealing is wrong.

the fact that PD paid for and IS paying for these things assigns them real monetary value.

Yes, things that don't come from no where need to be paid for in most cases.

 

[swg]

I think swg works for Sony.

If I did, anyone using this glitch would be BANNED and I'd be laughing all the way to Christmas. lol

 

[fm_1013]

A preorder shows intention to purchase a companies product before it is released which developers appreciate and REWARD with preorder bonuses in order to encourage people to buy the game. Another post with complete lack of logical thought.

The "glitch" is a bonus that developers gave us as a reward for buying the game.

 

[swg]

No one is condoning theft so your example has nothing to do with the glitch. Not liking the price of the PS4 gives you no right to take one. Someone giving you a contract for a free PS4 means they need to live up to that contract even if that was not the intent they had when they watched you sign it. PD gave a way to get credits in game. Unintentional it may be, but it was giving to us, no theft involved.


Then I had better not do A-Spec since that's theft as well.

You were given 2 "intentional" options for obtaining credits, utilizing a glitch was not one of them. You just refuse to accept that it is theft. You are TAKING an object or service with monetary value through a means other than what the supplier intended and without their permission = theft. As for A spec, by your rationale if the supplier decides to give some of their product away as prizes then that product must then be free for the taking whether you are awarded the prize or not. Logic fail.

Citation please.
"Correct, and I wouldn't. They have no value and can't actually have a price point."

There are other examples but this one is at least on the same page.

Stealing is wrong.

Yes, things that don't come from no where need to be paid for in most cases.

So it's wrong unless your justification has led you to the conclusion that it's ok... would love to see how that concept would go over in a court room.

 

[Sephy]

You should at least get a warning for double posting all over the place.

 

[RDAardvark]

This argument will run and run; personally I don't see the point in arguing as everyone will just get angry.

A couple of weeks/months down the line we'll have one side or the other saying "Nyer, told you so."

You paid for the game so enjoy it and don't waste any more time on this thread.

 

[swg]

Where am I double posting? All I see are seperate responces to different individuals. Are my posts showing up in duplicate?

 

[Exorcet]

You were given 2 "intentional" options for obtaining credits

And one unintentional. Some are using the latter.

utilizing a glitch was not one of them.

Yes, it's the unintentional one that came with the game.

You just refuse to accept that it is theft.

I have yet to see theft anywhere. The game itself is the source of the credits, and so long as it wasn't stolen, there's no theft here.

You are TAKING an object or service with monetary value through a means other than what the supplier intended and without their permission = theft.

I'm not taking anything. The game was paid for. The pay for credit service is not being used. The already paid for game is being used. Nothing it being stolen.

Supplier intent means nothing. I'm sure that if I decided to use my disc as a Frisbee, I wouldn't become a thief.

As for A spec, by your rationale if the supplier decides to give some of their product away as prizes then that product must then be free for the taking whether you are awarded the prize or not. Logic fail.

Where is this implied anywhere?

There are other examples but this one is at least on the same page.

Still nothing about digital things having no value.

So it's wrong unless your justification has led you to the conclusion that it's ok... would love to see how that concept would go over in a court room.

No, stealing is wrong regardless of what I'd think. That doesn't change that no one is stealing credits by glitching, simply using the game.

 

[sparkytooth]

This moral battle is starting to get interesting.

 

[swg]

And one unintentional. Some are using the latter.


Yes, it's the unintentional one that came with the game.

I have yet to see theft anywhere. The game itself is the source of the credits, and so long as it wasn't stolen, there's no theft here.


I'm not taking anything. The game was paid for. The pay for credit service is not being used. The already paid for game is being used. Nothing it being stolen.

Supplier intent means nothing. I'm sure that if I decided to use my disc as a Frisbee, I wouldn't become a thief.


Where is this implied anywhere?




No, stealing is wrong regardless of what I'd think. That doesn't change that no one is stealing credits by glitching, simply using the game.

It wouldnt matter if I told you red wasnt blue, you'd still deny it. One can only explain something in so many ways with so many examples before it becomes a waste of time.

Taking credits, a cash value item, is paramount to theft. So say I.
You dissagree and will continue to do so.
Pointless to continue.

 

[sems4arsenal]

there can only be two types of none glitch gamers .

Those who except the fact that they will never own or drive half of the amazing cars on offer in Gt6

Or

Those who have the time , effort and drive to earn them the proper way grinding.

Too the second lot I suggest , don't complain .... Instead put the controller down go out side , get a job , find a partner fall in love , get some excersize , catch a movie spend some time with the family.
Because by the Time you are half way through your grind the rest of us will of finished GT7

And those who can't be bothered to re download the mega update again through their slow internet connection/

 

[C_Raccoon23]

And you refuse to see the whole picture. By spreading this glitch and promoting it you are taking away from potential cash shop sales. Money from which could go into the salaries of PD employees and into development for future titles so we can all get a better product. All that seems to matter to glitchers is "me", what can "I" get and how can "I" get it easiest. Whether you like the cash shop concept or not, using it was PD's decision to make. If you don't want to use it no one is forcing you too. But I assure you the guy working over at PD who might have gotten a raise or bonus but wont if the game doesn't produce predicted profits won't thank you for promoting this glitch. People are so determined to convince themselves that their actions are all about themselves and have no effect on anyone else.

Well, guess what? They wouldn't be getting that extra money from me regardless, because I promise you, paying real money for some made up currency is the last thing I would spend my hard-earned money on. I'd rather grind to death than let Sony/PD know I'm willing to give up my money for anything. Fortunately, this glitch offers a nice alternative.

You want me to spend more money on their game? Then they better offer me something that is actually worth paying for and something that actually takes work to make, like car and track DLC.

 

[Exorcet]

It wouldnt matter if I told you red wasnt blue, you'd still deny it. One can only explain something in so many ways with so many examples before it becomes a waste of time.

Taking credits, a cash value item, is paramount to theft. So say I.
You dissagree and will continue to do so.
Pointless to continue.

You can say anything you want, it's backing it up that matters.

The disc is paid for. By your own admission this is enough to rightfully obtain credits. The fact that it provides an unintentional method means nothing, PD isn't selling us intentions. They made a mistake, it wasn't for their benefit, and that's that.

 

[TurismoBad]

Micro transactions do not belong in a AAA game and fans that gave millions of dollars to PD through all this years have all the rights in the world to glitch the credits if they want - even if only in a sign of protest.

Micro transactions in fully priced AAA titles exploit human nature and feed on the gullible shaping the game in order to channel the more impatient/richer - often parents of the kid playing the game - to grab their credit cards - now that's sound like theft.

Micro transactions are good for F2P and they should stay there.

 

[swg]

Well, guess what? They wouldn't be getting that extra money from me regardless, because I promise you, paying real money for some made up currency is the last thing I would spend my hard-earned money on. I'd rather grind to death than let Sony/PD know I'm willing to give up my money for anything. Fortunately, this glitch offers a nice alternative.

You want me to spend more money on their game? Then they better offer me something that is actually worth paying for and something that actually takes work to make, like car and track DLC. Not

The currency is no more made up than the game youre playing or the DLC you'd happily pay for and I'm sure if there was a way to obtain said DLC without paying for it most of the same people glitching credits would take advantage of it and I think that pretty much says it all.

Micro transactions do not belong in a AAA game and fans that gave millions of dollars to PD through all this years have all the rights in the world to glitch the credits if they want - even if only in a sign of protest.

Micro transactions exploit human nature and feed on the gullible shaping the game in order to channel the more impatient/richer - often parents of the kid playing the game - to grab their credit cards - now that's sound like theft.

No more so than selling a new sequel every year or so and yet here we are.

 

[Sephy]

The currency is no more made up than the game youre playing or the DLC you'd happily pay for and I'm sure if there was a way to obtain said DLC without paying for it most of the same people glitching credits would take advantage of it and I think that pretty much says it all.

Wrong. I am speaking for myself but think many others agree when I say that I will happily pay for car/track DLC. And at least their pricing is fair when it comes to that content.

And I agree with micro transactions not belonging in AAA titles. This isn't some free to play (freemium) game where people buying credits is one of their only sources of income. This is a big budget money-maker. They don't need to nickel and dime their customers here (though "nickel and dime" doesn't apply here since they seem to want your entire paycheck). I guess I should say thanks to EA for getting that ball rolling.