Am I the only one who enjoys driving slow cars?

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I love the Mazda Autozam AZ-1 1992 MR 64cv

tuned at max 120cv or something it's already quite an extreme car lol
a VERY lightweight midship engine car !!!

with all helps removed handling is quite scary actually a lot more fun than racing cars with race tires...
 
I have been enjoying the '65 Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA 1600 around the 'ring. It's a nice, light, angry little car. :D 241hp NA and FR and just tail happy enough to make things fun.

In fact I have been enjoy a fairly decent list of sub-300hp cars.
 
Scaff. How did you get your 500 to lift the inside rear tire!!! Please tell me that wasn't from bouncing off a curb.

I really have my panties in a bunch right now trying to figure out if the physics allow for a tire to be lifted off the ground from weight transfer alone.
 
Personally, I find almost any car in the game boring if it is under 100hp. The antique mercedes cars are absolutely useless.

I realize that they require better driving and closer competition, but it takes just as much skill to extract near perfect consistent laps in the unforgiving speed machines. THAT's where I usually kill people in 2 player mode, not the slow cars.
 
Yes, I would just like to drive the ZZ cappi-something (it looked like a remote control car) back in GT2. The Midget was also a fun car too. I did not really do it for a special reason though...I guess I just liked to do it.

EDIT : The Mazda Autozam AZ-1 1992 MR 64cv is the car I was talking about.
 
You are not alone. I really don't much care for the F1 and GTP cars. I'll take a stock Isuzu Bellet or Alfa Romeo Giulia Sprint GTA any day. The slower, lower horsepower cars are far more entertaining. I have 170 cars, and they're almost entirely older cars. I don't have either of the 1886 horseless carriages yet, but I will. Unfortunately, the Model T will likely remain out of reach, as getting all golds in the Superlicense is just a dream for me. The only way I'm getting it is if I can buy it from someone else.

I have all the little cars, the Mazda Carol, Honda N360 and Z Act (I saw one on the road just a couple of days ago, they're still around if you look for them), Subaru 360, Daihatsu Midget, Citroen 2CV, Fiat 500s, VW Beetle, etc. I love them and won't trade them for all the black supercars in the game.
 
i'll admit that the old Mercedes things are pretty much useless, but they serve the same purpose that they would in real life, collectors items, thats it.

but i don't agree that it takes more skill to extract all the capability out of high performancde machines, when your driving a stock car, espesially an older one, you have to learn how to overcome its quirks, sometimes those quirks make the cars alot harder to drive, but when you get them figured out you can then go about hitting the low lap times, F1s and LM cars are tuned in such a way that they nearly eliminate those quirks that make stock cars that much more interesting and fun to drive
 
I've always preferred driving the slower cars that I see every day, fast. Its the first thing about GT that caught my attention, makes a change from the usual selection of exotics, whilst there fun I prefer more normal cars. (Although I hate the Japanese K Cars, atleast the Fiat Panda has some character & actually looks sexy in comparison to most of them (did I actually say that?)).

For me its Normal production cars(inc sports cars) + Super cars > Lower scale race cars e.g. BTCC(Not existant in GT4), Civic race cars etc > JGTC cars > Le Mans cars > F1 cars.

I know the appeal of the Le Mans cars etc... they are nice to take for a spin every now & again but the differences in the 'stock' cars are often much more pronunced & chuckability is fun! Although my Volvo 240s wheelspin is a tad... problematic... & I refuse to use TCS.
 
i like driving the cappo, i have it maxed tune to 120hp and stage 3 weight reduction, its fast around the corner, slow on straight ways, but its a blast to drive. nothing is better than beating a fast car thru the corner.
 
I just completed the pre-1970's classic championship in the European Hall.
Did it with a Jag E-type.
IPrevious to this I was in the Formula GT Championship, and must say I enjoyed the spin around the circuits in the Jag much more than the Minolta I used against the F1's.
The high end stuff is too reactionary.
I love a slightly slower pace. It allows you to explore your lines a bit more.
With the prototypes and LMs its more of a floor it and pound the brakes at the perfect rubber mark on the track or you are 20 meters into the kitty litter.
 
i love those daihatsu midgets, or as I lovingly refer to them, the Golf Carts. Old, OLD skylines and celicas are fun, too.

Took the 3-wheeled midget in a lap in the 'Ring, one lap took 18.34, but it ticks me off that this car shows 4 tires when in races. What an oversight by PD
 
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Scaff. How did you get your 500 to lift the inside rear tire!!! Please tell me that wasn't from bouncing off a curb.

I really have my panties in a bunch right now trying to figure out if the physics allow for a tire to be lifted off the ground from weight transfer alone.
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Glad you like that, and no it was not through bouncing off the curb.

Its the Paris George V track and I took the 500 as it seemed a good circuit for the car (lots of tight and twisty bits), and found that I did not need to brake for most of the corners, so I started to throw the car into the 90degree corners and use lift off oversteer to get around.

I only noticed the rear tyre lifting when I was in the reply (photo drove the course) and had to get a shot.

I have found it is possiable with a few of the cars, but the effect if greatest in the 500 (of the cars I have tried). If you have a look at the Honda S800 shot below, you will see that the rear left has almost done the same, again only spotted this on the replay.

Give it a go, as I have to say I am very pleased that the physics model replicates this driving characteristic.

My aim is to get the Renaultsport Clio 172 to lift a rear wheel as the car will do it in real life.



 
Yep, love the slower cars. And I love keeping a stock settings with no traction control, driving assistance, or stability on all my cars for the most thrilling challenges on the world circuits difficulty setting... 10. Sometimes a moderate car maxed out against the big dogs gives me that special fix I need... 👍
 
I like the older S500 becuase of how losse it is w/o traction, the M3 on Nurburgring with Family Cup on 6, and my favorite slow car is the stock Evolution GT-A VIII due to it's unpredictible handling. the first time I drove it I understeered then I understeered in the next lap on the same turn. the coolest sow car to me is the 120d due to it's unbelieveable torque, add Nitrous to a stock one and you can keep up with a R32 or 33 skyline (trust me, I did, lol)
 
I like slow race, I just love to go back to the K-Cup race from time to time and beat all those Japanese mosquitos with my A112... kinda of hard to do it but I love it!
 
Starting with Gt1, I traditionally purchase an used car with the $10000 then earn some cash to get my 1st new car and it's always a Celica SS2.
The power range I like the best is between 200-300 hp: Celica GT4, Nissan Silvia , etc...
Not too slow, not too fast.
 
Well I'd be lying if I said I wasn't into the fast race cars when it comes to racing in the game. But most of my time spent tuning is with the street models. I like to take a car I'd love to own like a '70 Charger and just do the upgrades to it that I could afford in real life. Like a transmission upgrade and lighter fly wheel and drive shaft. I then might do a stage one or two engine upgrade and run it on sports tires to see how my real world dream car might perform. It's cool to be able to take a car and have a somewhat decent idea of what you'd need to do to it in reality to make it as fast etc as the game version. 👍

But to answer the actual question no your not alone I like running some of the cars bone stock to. Like the SRT-4. Not a bad little car. Not real fast but groovy handling!
 
Duck
Midget 👍
A blast on downhill, I mean..... a pain at Hohe acht ....just 10-15 kmh
I did it, in 17:29.... don't ease at Wehrseifen!!!
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That's stock, right? The best I could get out of my '63 Midget was a 17:53.
 
well.. some cars are better stock. like old beetle. it sounds so real.. I did 13 minutes flat on the 'ring.. and citroen cv2 or what is it called.. something near 20 minutes, top speed of 90 km/h.. :ouch:

but the best old car that i have ran this far, is the mazda cosmo 110 ( 10b).. light, powerful and blast to drive when tuned.. with 250 hp and 6 speed it left many moderns sportscars behind.. 👍 and is absolutely pure fun to drive.
 
martialstax
That's stock, right? The best I could get out of my '63 Midget was a 17:53.
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Stock car, I hate tuning.

tips:
-FLAT OUT everywhere, rounding corners at their best
-Wehrseifen: I don't remember if eased, braked or even trail braked this corner. This is the MOST important corner on the track for this car, as it gives speed towards .... Kesselchen.
-another secret is downshifting correctly in uphills. Never overrev engine here!!!!
-Never let the revs limiterd going on!!!! (Except in the first part of the long downhills, like the fuchsrohre).
-end downhills at the maximum speed (91kmh if I remember correctly)
-change gears as close as you can to 5500 rpm (say 5400-5450)

question:
I'm using S2 (Sport medium?) tyres, the DEFAULT ones. Many say that is much correct lapping with N2 (Normal standard?) tyres.
 
I'm more into LMP driving really. It's just more adrenalin. In slower cars, it's about not making mistakes and maintaining speed. In faster cars, you can recover from little mistakes and not lose as much time as you do in a slower car, but you will make more of those mistakes.

An LMP is more challenging to drive to the limit.
 
incubusnb
i'll admit that the old Mercedes things are pretty much useless, but they serve the same purpose that they would in real life, collectors items, thats it.

but i don't agree that it takes more skill to extract all the capability out of high performancde machines, when your driving a stock car, espesially an older one, you have to learn how to overcome its quirks, sometimes those quirks make the cars alot harder to drive, but when you get them figured out you can then go about hitting the low lap times, F1s and LM cars are tuned in such a way that they nearly eliminate those quirks that make stock cars that much more interesting and fun to drive
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In the LMP cars things are happening MUCH faster, and unless you spend a bit of time tuning the cars they can be rather quirky too. ANYBODY can get a good lap out of a great handling slow car on the ring, but few of us can really use the full potential of an LMP on the same track (and of course exponentially harder on the real thing, I sure as hell wouldn't try it).
 
Leonidae
well.. some cars are better stock. like old beetle. it sounds so real.. I did 13 minutes flat on the 'ring.. and citroen cv2 or what is it called.. something near 20 minutes, top speed of 90 km/h.. :ouch:

but the best old car that i have ran this far, is the mazda cosmo 110 ( 10b).. light, powerful and blast to drive when tuned.. with 250 hp and 6 speed it left many moderns sportscars behind.. 👍 and is absolutely pure fun to drive.
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I agree with the Mazda comments. I just used this car today to beat the RX7's and RX8's in the RE races under Mazda. It gave me 60-70 a spec points for each track, and I rode the nitrous almost the entire time :lol:

Plus, the car has very predictable handling and just the right amount of oversteer :)

I didn't beef mine all the way up, I think only to 230 and I didn't even fool with the suspension (trying to economically get lots of points) :)
 
Duck
tips:
-FLAT OUT everywhere, rounding corners at their best
etc etc
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I made many errors in this post.

new lap record with Midget is
17' 23" 697

first, the map for Aetolos
http://www.nurburgring.de/?rubrik=nordschleife&lang=eng

now, time for some errata corrige:

- note: put off all drive aids (TCS and ASM at 0)

- use true stock car, using N2 tyres (they can be faster!!! See the thread I'm trying to open).

- there are 10 sections where you have to ease the throttle at 91kmh (you can reach 92, but cannot mantein it): hatzenbach, quiddelbacher, swedenkreuz, fuchsrohre, miss-hit-miss, breidscheid, hedwig's hohe, eschbach, sprunghugel, pflantzgarten

- some section speeds:
hocheichen 79kmh
flugplatz min 69kmh
aremberg 86kmh
adenauer forst 63kmh
kallenhardt 79kmh (ease throttle)
wehrseifen 64kmh (brake)
breidscheid 87kmh
exmuhle min 64kmh
bergwerk 82kmh
kesselchen min 33kmh
hohe acht min 25kmh
galgenkopf min 69kmh

- the REAL keys to drive fast here with Midget (and the same for other slow cars):
1)Quiddelbacher: approach the uphill at 91kmh, it gives you speed until Swedenkreuz
2) Adenau I: approach the uphill at 91kmh, it gives you speed until Kallenhardt (!!)
3) Breidscheid: approach the corner at 91kmh, it gives you speed until Hohe Acht (!!!!!!!!) You have to mantein speed through the whole corner, and regain some kmh in the short downhill before exmuhle (I reached 90.5 kmh)
4) Dottinger hohe: mantein 91kmh as long as you can.

This time.. I saved the replay 👍
 

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