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sirjim73
because Trump, and far right are (undoubtedly) scum they should all be murdered asap. There's atleast one person here openly hoping for civil war.
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sirjim73
Remember more Americans were killed in the civil war than by ALL other countries in ALL other wars combined.
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Don't exaggerate.

This is either completely rubbish or so badly worded. All other countries in all other wars combined? The Soviet Union and China lost more than 20 million lives each in WW2.
 
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Liquid
Don't exaggerate.

This is either completely rubbish or so badly worded. All other countries in all other wars combined? The Soviet Union and China lost more than 20 million lives each in WW2.
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As per Statista there were indeed a comparable number of American fatalities in the Civil War to the combined deaths in other military conflicts. Bear in mind, however, that this graph explicitly refers to combatants and not civilians:

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I'm not sure whether the majority of people in this thread are calling for a repeat of that internal conflict on the whole as opposed to highlighting the possibility of its return, any more than I think emphasising the role of FAFO in Kirk’s murder is in any way an exultation.

Most responders I've seen here are indifferent as opposed to celebratory and have chosen primarily to draw attention to his own callous reaction to the deaths of his fellow Americans in similar circumstances. The whoopers and hollerers don't seem to be as characteristic of GTP as most of the complainers seem to be saying they are to me. Maybe they're just posting more often.
 
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FuriousDemon
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So I don't know how prevailing a sentiment this is among conservatives but I think this makes it clear that Brian Kilmeade believes it is a prevailing sentiment, because I really don't think the bitch is going to say anything that puts employment at risk and so there must be an assumption that Fox News won't take action because the regular audience doesn't reject it.

But I was thinking about the "involuntary" bit and initially thought it was absurd because who would choose that, but it occurs to me that people do and that conservatives resoundingly oppose the existence of the option because of their dismissive attitude toward consent...which then makes me think Kilmeade's position may not be rejected by the regular audience.
 
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UKMikey
As per Statista there were indeed a comparable number of American fatalities in the Civil War to the combined fatalities in other military conflicts. Bear in mind, however, that this graph explicitly refers to combatants and not civilians:

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I'm not sure whether the majority of people in this thread are calling for a repeat of this internal conflict on the whole as opposed to highlighting the possibility of its return, any more than I think emphasising the role of FAFO in Kirk’s murder is in any way an exultation.

Most responders I've seen here are indifferent as opposed to celebratory and have chosen primarily to draw attention to his own callous reaction to the deaths of his fellow Americans in similar circumstances. The whoopers and hollerers don't seem to be as characteristic of GTP as most of the complainers seem to be saying they are to me. Maybe they're just posting more often.
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Apologies for misunderstanding, @sirjim73.

Of course, it goes without saying that civil wars are frequently the most destructive wars a nation can face.
 
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Liquid
Apologies for misunderstanding, @sirjim73.

Of course, it goes without saying that civil wars are frequently the most destructive wars a nation can face.
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Though one also does have to keep in mind that the Civil War had such enormous casualties due to it being fought with outdated weaponry like smoothbore muskets that required much closer engagement ranges, outdated Napoleonic tactics with large blocks of men marching through open terrain right into cannon fire, and outdated medical practices that greatly reduced the life expectancy of anyone who ended up wounded, among a lot of other factors that wouldn't really apply to warfare today.

If a conflict on that scale happened today, you wouldn't be seeing casualty numbers anywhere near that. If anything the number of civilian casualties would probably be the larger and more disturbing one, from people either being unable to get clear of the fighting or trying to get directly involved.
 
TexRex
So I don't know how prevailing a sentiment this is among conservatives but I think this makes it clear that Brian Kilmeade believes it is a prevailing sentiment, because I really don't think the bitch is going to say anything that puts employment at risk and so there must be an assumption that Fox News won't take action because the regular audience doesn't reject it.

But I was thinking about the "involuntary" bit and initially thought it was absurd because who would choose that, but it occurs to me that people do and that conservatives resoundingly oppose the existence of the option because of their dismissive attitude toward consent...which then makes me think Kilmeade's position may not be rejected by the regular audience.
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Yeah, that is probably what he figured and likely he's not wrong. I doubt anything will come of it, probably not even an acknowledgement.
 
FuriousDemon
Yeah, that is probably what he figured and likely he's not wrong. I doubt anything will come of it, probably not even an acknowledgement.
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Trump and his ilk will praise the words so nothing will happen. I assume RFK Jr. will also praise it, since his family sort of also felt that way.
 
Read a comment just today about people saying "his poor wife" but said commenter pointed out that it's pretty likely that spouses are like-minded people; sure, it's not nice for her that her husband was shot in the neck but it's not as though she's automatically a shrinking violet who wouldn't say boo to a goose.
 
TexRex
They hated it because it told them the truth instead of what they wanted to hear.

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I suppose Grok is going to become MechaHitler again.
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You would think it would eventually click that it's not Grok that's broken considering how many times this has happened in the brief period Grok has been available. He really is like a dog that just can't grasp the concept of a screen door.
 
Northstar
You would think it would eventually click that it's not Grok that's broken considering how many times this has happened in the brief period Grok has been available. He really is like a dog that just can't grasp the concept of a screen door.
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I remember a short Twitter thread where they were blaming libs for "flooding" Grok with fake information, & that's why he keeps saying "woke" things.
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Speaking of the Epstein files… more troops being sent to troubled cities. Pam Bondi saying they’re going to send troops to cities that “want them there.”.
I'd love to see a list of those cities.
 
sirjim73
Unlike some, I DO believe there will be mid term elections and that will ultimately be the first opportunity to neuter Trump.
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Sure. Maybe. What do you reckon the chances of a fair election are? Russianesque?

Say, as a hypothetical, that elections were no longer fair and were not a viable method of effecting political change. Then what? What effective non-violent options of encouraging compromise exist for those not already in power?
 
sirjim73
There's atleast one person here openly hoping for civil war. Because that went so well the last time? Remember more Americans were killed in the civil war than by ALL other countries in ALL other wars combined
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Maybe the half of the country that lost the war (but didn't even have the most deaths) shouldn't have had their entire casus belli be "we want slaves."
sirjim73
As opposed to any other solution such as locking them up or opposing them non violently. Because that's maybe not working well right now, doesn't mean it can't or won't happen in the future. Ask Bolsonaro...
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Yeah in three and a half years maybe someone can be arrested for all of the obvious crimes we've already seen happen in the first 6 months so long as the specific President in question (who was granted complete authority to act outside the law soon before getting back into office) doesn't pardon all of the people on the way out the door like he already did the thousand some odd people who attempted to overthrow the government. Assuming, of course, that he doesn't come up with a scheme to try and suspend elections entirely (again), repeatedly publicly call their results illegitimate because they didn't go the way he wanted (again) or come up with secret plans to nullify the results in favor of ones he approves of (again).
 
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Touring Mars
Why does this come across as threatening?
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I'm sure you're being rhetorical. The people behind this have another big lie brewing. They want to convince their followers that Robinson wasn't acting alone and are trying to extend his culpability to anybody who doesn't align with Kirk's noisome views as a pretext towards silencing dissent with extreme prejudice (in more than one sense of the word).
 
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FuriousDemon
Cause it is. No matter what, Kirk’s murder is going to be somehow blamed on the undesirables.
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First the bullets were trans, then the shooter was trans, now the partner/roommate is trans - and that's all despite considerable indications that the shooter is allied to an even-more nuts arm of MAGA that recently turned on Kirk for not being loyal enough to 0.957 (by calling for the release of the Epstein files).

They literally want civil war. The first reactions from all of these concave-skulled grifters was to call for civil war and, even in the knowledge that this has all the appearance of a groomed lone gunman acting on a perceive internal MAGA schism, the pop-up wacky waving inflatable outrage dicks (like Erika Kirk) are skill going on about the "them" who perpetrated it.

Civil war is what they want. I'd guess because it gives them an excuse to shoot gays, and gives 0.957 an excuse to "suspend" democracy.


On a more amusing note, I saw someone-on-TikTok (but I didn't see it on TikTok; screw that noise) say that if they were a time-traveller going back to kill Hitler, they couldn't just go back and kill him as a baby because that's just killing a baby, and they couldn't wait until he started doing awful things to people because that's too late for those people. Instead he'd go back to just before he did, when he was still just saying awful things about people but without any mandate to do them yet - and in fact ideally, right in the middle of him saying something awful about people - as a statement of intent to do awful things. I believe the message was unrelated to current events.
 

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