American Muscle (Week 4): Infineon (w / Results)

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New splits for me:
21.811
1'06.238

I think I should be able to run a sub 1'06 T2, but I'm losing time all over the place here and I'm still trying to work out what I'm actually meant to be doing with these corners :p
 
Hey right now I'm on an island (don't I wish)...I'm the only person driving the Shelby. I'm D3 so I ain't that good. Out of curiosity would one of you big dogs take my car for a spin and give me a target to shoot for. I'm not real sure just how quick this thing can be motored around the track and would appreciate a little help.

My current splits are: 22.174 and 1'06.949.
My Setup is: Oil, Chip, Triple Clutch, Racing Flywheel, S3's, Wt. Reduction 1, 1.5LSD
TCS/ASMs=0

Please Help
 
I was going to suggest that actually ... maybe I could also get MinorShunt in here ... he was going to run the Shelby, so maybe he can be one to see what can be got out of it.
 
Okay guys the cuda is back but it wasn't built for this track at all I will be happy if I can get third on this track. My advice for you on this track is on the two. I've personally been around this track so maybe that will give me an upper hand however my brother has driven around this track so Jump beware. ;) I gotta finish some testing and I'll let everyone know about where I stand.
Bryan

Okay I'm not quite as fast as I'd like to be but I'm staying true to the car I first chose and its not corner carver.
T1 - 21.524
T2 - 1:06.375
I had an off in turn 10's dredded gravel trap but thats pretty much what this car can do I'll PM you Nat with my specs.
 
Don't worry Gio.. will prolly be down there with ya once I finish some testing these few days. Kittens are in my car looking at ways to make it better, I hope and not just pawing around playing...
 
Kolyana
I was going to suggest that actually ... maybe I could also get MinorShunt in here ... he was going to run the Shelby, so maybe he can be one to see what can be got out of it.
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No problem. Here's my 2 cents. Just remember you get what you pay for. :sly:

Well I tried your setup Goix, and didn't have much luck with it, so I kinda started over and came up with this.....

non-hp
oil-50
s3 tires-6800
wt. reduction1-1200
twin clutch-2700
race flywheel-1050
1.5 LSD-4500
Total non-hp-16,350

hp
na tuning stage 1- 4900

grand total 21,250 with 750 leftover

If I had this to do over, I would forego the weight reduction and put the chip in for more horsepower. But I don't want to get another car, so this is good enough.

I agree with almost everything you did on your setup goix, but felt it important to get the na tuning, which brings power up to 365hp. Going from a triple clutch down to a twin clutch made no difference. If you were maxing out the horsepower, then I would say definitely you need the triple clutch for holding revs.
The race flywheel is what makes the difference on this car IMO.

I also don't agree on your choice not to use TCS or ASM. I know this flies in the face of conventional wisdom, but I don't subscribe to the arrogance that aids are used as a crutch by slow racers. Rather I contend that aids are but another tool to be used or not, in setup. If it makes you faster, use the damn things! Faster is the point, right? :sly: Actually what the aids do in this case, is allow you to drive the fast and proper line thru the course. You can't drive fast if you're fighting the handling all the time. :crazy:

Anyway to help contend with the wheelspin, I've got TCS set at 1. To help the car pivot better, and get rid of the godawful push, I've got ASM understeer set at 5. As long as you drive a proper line, and pay attention to your braking points, the aids are not intrusive IMO.

So anyway, here's the splits I got with this setup.

T1: 21.450
T2: 1'04.817

Not too bad, but you can do better than this! I didn't have time to run very many laps, and I think that another .5-.7 reduction is within reach. Maybe I'll submit this one, it's clean anyway. :sly:

Good luck Goixoye! :)
 
Bloody good splits ... thanks for that 'Shunt :p
 
MinorShunt
No problem. Here's my 2 cents. Just remember you get what you pay for. :sly:

Well I tried your setup Goix, and didn't have much luck with it, so I kinda started over and came up with this.....

non-hp
oil-50
s3 tires-6800
wt. reduction1-1200
twin clutch-2700
race flywheel-1050
1.5 LSD-4500
Total non-hp-16,350

hp
na tuning stage 1- 4900

grand total 21,250 with 750 leftover

If I had this to do over, I would forego the weight reduction and put the chip in for more horsepower. But I don't want to get another car, so this is good enough.

I agree with almost everything you did on your setup goix, but felt it important to get the na tuning, which brings power up to 365hp. Going from a triple clutch down to a twin clutch made no difference. If you were maxing out the horsepower, then I would say definitely you need the triple clutch for holding revs.
The race flywheel is what makes the difference on this car IMO.

I also don't agree on your choice not to use TCS or ASM. I know this flies in the face of conventional wisdom, but I don't subscribe to the arrogance that aids are used as a crutch by slow racers. Rather I contend that aids are but another tool to be used or not, in setup. If it makes you faster, use the damn things! Faster is the point, right? :sly: Actually what the aids do in this case, is allow you to drive the fast and proper line thru the course. You can't drive fast if you're fighting the handling all the time. :crazy:

Anyway to help contend with the wheelspin, I've got TCS set at 1. To help the car pivot better, and get rid of the godawful push, I've got ASM understeer set at 5. As long as you drive a proper line, and pay attention to your braking points, the aids are not intrusive IMO.

So anyway, here's the splits I got with this setup.

T1: 21.450
T2: 1'04.817

Not too bad, but you can do better than this! I didn't have time to run very many laps, and I think that another .5-.7 reduction is within reach. Maybe I'll submit this one, it's clean anyway. :sly:

Good luck Goixoye! :)
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Thanks for your input.

In my defense Koly has just added a little more HP $. My setup was based on HP$ of 4,650 and non-HP$ of 16,000. NA1 wasn't an option. Just out of curiousity what kind of times were you getting with my set-up. I could've had 10HP with a semi-racing exhaust but thought the LSD was better.

Relative to TCS/ASM. I had 336HP. TCS/ASM=0 was marginal but manageable. I wasn't trying to be macho. The lower HP didn't necessitate it. I tried TCS/ASM=1 and felt it was a wash. With additional HP I suspect I will add some TCS/ASM in to find the sweet spot.

When I tested with the 1st additional $. I thought I had the set up nailed only to discover I had mis-figured and was $50 over budget. Leaving out the oil change (20HP?) was not an option. I had the exact same non-HP set-up you came up with! So I must be doin' something right.

Again, I appreciate your input but we were working from 2 different sets of $. We might as well have been working with 2 different cars.
 
@Goix- I didn't realize the change in hp$. So yeah, I agree you did the best you could with the resources available. I would definitely switch to the NA though. It makes a huge difference.
As far as splits on your setup, I didn't spend a whole lot of time on it, but I think they were about 21.7 and 1'05.7 or somewhere in that neighborhood. With your setup I used TCS of 2 and ASM understeer of 6. That seemed to be the sweetspot.

Also, I didn't mean to imply that you weren't using aids because of a macho attitude. :) I just have a little irritation regarding some peoples attitudes towards aids in general. I feel there are some good drivers out there that are misleading people when it comes to aids. You are right. If it doesn't help, don't use it!

I agree that the 1.5 LSD was a good choice. It helps a lot coming out of corners.

I also realize that having NA and the chip are not an option even if I did forego the wt.1. It puts us over the hp$. :indiff:

Maybe try messing with ballast a little if you are locked into the setup you have. Adding 35 lbs with a weight rearward bias of 40-45 helped pivot the car better without aids, but it wasn't any faster.
 
Alright alright, maybe I should spend more than 2 hours at this race huh? Especially if MS is in the hunt now and nipping at my heels. Dang, just not enough time in the week this week to do everything I want to do....I want to race AMC, WRS and do some testing for an upcoming series....but :nervous: I dunno if I'll be able to spend more time at Infineon as I DESPERATELY NEED to pull a win in the WRS to make the 'jump' ....hehe, man what a pun!....*cough*...anyway I'm one busy cat, maybe I"ll calll in sick to work.....nah....but one thing I really DO love about my vette is I dont have to worry about any settings...WOOT!! It feels JUST like I'm driving in arcade mode, it rox..of course on the other hand...I CANT change anything, but hey who can say no to a Vette? Certainly not me! Oh and Bbinnell dude, get some splits up here, u know Sears Point well enough, no more being modest!

jump_ace
 
Oh my.... There goes any hope of winning. :lol:
 
Kolyana
Drive faster.
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That was just cruel.

+29HP=

T1: 21.956 (+0.218 🤬 )
T2: 1'05.814 (+1.135 :mad: )
Final: (+2.147 :banghead: )

I suck so bad ya'll should just call me Hoover. Times are better but I feel they should be better still.
MinorShunt
I've got TCS set at 1. I've got ASM understeer set at 5.
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So what do you have ASM oversteer set at?
 
Sorry Goix', I have a cruel streak :(
 
goixoye
So what do you have ASM oversteer set at?
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And ur doing fine Goix. This is a tough car to drive!

Edit: Ah heck. Here's a drive thru to maybe help u out a little.

Cross the line full bore, get over to left to just miss left wall on turn1, keep it tight thru the turn. slight brake down to 100mph entering left/right. enter on the left rumble, full brake just b4 midpoint of rumble down to 58-60mph. shift to 2. over to right rumble, while easing in throttle. don't hit rumble hard tho, as u will break the rear loose. exit to left rumble, up to 3 gear. get over to far right, just as u crest the rise, stab brakes and aim for left rumble @ 83mph. just skim the rumble, brake, turn, and down to 2 gear @ 68-71mph, power up the hill aim for the right rumble, let it drift to left rumble exit, shift up to 3 midway up. T1-21.4-5.

brake hard at end of rumble, 2 gear, turn in to just miss right rumble @48-50mph.
exit and shift up to 3, then 4. get to the right going up hill. as u crest, get over to midpoint of track. brake at the start of the black section of track. down to 2 gear, @ 60ishmph. power on and keep it tight to left all thru the sweeper. don't hit any edges! up to 3 at midpoint of rumble, exiting on left for straight shot down the chute. up to 4. on far left, brake at start of black marks in track. start easing over while downshift to 2. trail brake just to the right rumble, then hard on it thru the second apex. take the turn as 1 tho. this is the turn that will make or break ur T2 btw. shift up to 4, T2-1'04.8-1'05. tap brakes to set for first hi speed chicane left. just skim the rumble @ +100mph. u should be turning right for the next right of the chicane as u exit the left. tap brakes, and shift to 3, down to 94mph. power thru the chicane and away u go down the back straight. hug the left and keep car balanced to setup for the hi speed kink. just as u see the apex for the kink, ease over to it, an gently brake down to 102-104mph. skim the right rumble but don't hit any grass. exit hard out, and maintain balance down the left side. break hard for the hairpin just as u get to the cones on the left, maybe a hair b4. u want to brake all the way to the apex anyway, and trail braking works good here. down to 40-42mph and 2 gear. clip the right rumble for a late apex, and put power down a little late to try and maintain momentum. this turn will make or break ur last sector. exit right up against the wall, and hold a straight line right down the wall all the way to the kink, then let it drift to center as u go to cross the line.

Hope this helps a little Goix. The Shelby is a touchy little ride, but fun to drive as u know! :)
 
Thanks for the write-up. Please define "trail braking" for me. I feel like I'm doing things as you described but it's so hard to translate into words. At the hairpin before T2 I use the signs to the left as brake markers...I'll check against the black marks on the track you noted. The exact up / down shifts are mostly instinct (and by sound...this car seems to have one of the better more realistic sounds in the game...to me anyway)...I try to hit up-shift right at redline. This is one of the only cars in the game I've used 1st gear with on the track (beyond standing starts & all). Most cars you never get below 2. I'm off by 0.5s at T1 and about 1.0s at T2. 0.5s at each sector is an eternity and not much all at the same time.
 
MinorShunt....SSSHHHH!!!!!! j/k....u have some great advice there, hope it helps some peeps out indeed. I hit a 1:04.3xx again but couldn't follow thru, and really there is another .5 out on this track this week, but I'm so GOD DAMNED close to making it to Div1 that I really need to spend all my time there so I may submit early. We'll see tho, I have to get a win in D2 to make the jump. And next week is the F1 race WOOTT!!!! That I will be ready for.

jump_ace
 
goixoye
Thanks for the write-up. Please define "trail braking" for me. I feel like I'm doing things as you described but it's so hard to translate into words. At the hairpin before T2 I use the signs to the left as brake markers...I'll check against the black marks on the track you noted. The exact up / down shifts are mostly instinct (and by sound...this car seems to have one of the better more realistic sounds in the game...to me anyway)...I try to hit up-shift right at redline. This is one of the only cars in the game I've used 1st gear with on the track (beyond standing starts & all). Most cars you never get below 2. I'm off by 0.5s at T1 and about 1.0s at T2. 0.5s at each sector is an eternity and not much all at the same time.
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I'm not sure if you use dfp or ds2, but trail braking is much easier with the dfp. Basically it is a technique where you brake b4 the corner as normal, but as you are entering the corner, you start feathering back on the braking to transfer more energy for cornering forces. So really what is happening is you are increasing the vertical load on the front tires which helps it to turn in better. :) It's a high wire balancing act to try and stay in that imaginary traction circle. :lol:

I think that the black marks start just b4 the last white and red sign on the left for the T2 hairpin? Not sure. I rarely use markers off to the side for brake points, turn in points, etc. I like to use markers that are ahead of me. But that's just me.

I'm not sure where you use 1st gear on this lap? I'm just using 2,3, and 4.

For me, the first sector is the trickiest to get right. Especially the first left/right.

For T2, u can gain a lot of time by doing the left hand downhill sweeper correctly. If u get it just right, u can use the throttle to pull it right around the inside of the turn without a lot of skidding, etc.
I'm usually exiting straddling or below the yellow line that goes down the middle of the track, then just barely touching the little kink on the left that starts the straight to the double apex hairpin.
At the hairpin you can gain or lose up to .4 depending on how that one goes. And the final hairpin you can gain or lose about the same. You lose a lot if you brake too late and swing wide here.

Yes I agree. .5 and 1 second seems like a lot of time, but then not. But I always looked at it as if I could gain just .05 sec. on each corner of a 10 corner track in a 10 lap race, that would give me a 5 second lead at the end. Which is huge!

That's the reason R/L racing is so expensive nowadays. Large amounts of money are required to get that .05 seconds! :crazy:
 
jump_ace
MinorShunt....SSSHHHH!!!!!! j/k....u have some great advice there, hope it helps some peeps out indeed. I hit a 1:04.3xx again but couldn't follow thru, and really there is another .5 out on this track this week, but I'm so GOD DAMNED close to making it to Div1 that I really need to spend all my time there so I may submit early. We'll see tho, I have to get a win in D2 to make the jump. And next week is the F1 race WOOTT!!!! That I will be ready for.

jump_ace
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:lol: :lol: Don't worry jump u will get there to div 1. 👍 I'm out of racing for good this week. I just ran the one time with the Shelby, and haven't even looked at WRS. We had a major rain here on Tuesday. 9 inches! My basement got flooded, and I've got a lot of cleanup work to do. So no racing for me. :grumpy:

1'04.3 is an excellent time BTW! I don't think I would get there in the Shelby. Maybe 1'04.5 is all.

Well, I don't mind helping if I can. I'm really sick of this track after BC tho. :)
 
Yeah, I kinda wish I spent more time on the track, more than 2 hours atleast, but hey at the time it was where I thought I wold place anyway. I have been tempted to go back and try it again tho, just to see how these last what 4 months of solid racing has done. Perhaps when I am in D1 and only racing WRS will I have time for that, oh and B4 the new Zelda comes out in April...lol. Wow, sometimes I feel like I have TOTAL control over my life u know? I can pick and choose from so many video games...I'm all Giddy!

jump_ace
 
Kittens are trying some new paws around here, but seems to not be helping some :/ Bettered my time with changes though.. will have the kittens mail ya Koly...

But here are my times just cause ..

T1 : 23.901
T2 : 1' 10.428
 
I've taken the last couple of nghts off and haven't run any racing at all, but I'll get back into this tonight and run a few more laps. I've hit a wall here, but then it is my weakest track, but maybe 'Shunts drive-through will help me find a better line.

Don't think I'm going to play with the WRS too much this week ... just doesn't inspire me ... I'd rather spend my time on Infineon and The Ring ;)
 
Well, let's see....... My Saturday......cleaned out the garage, so we can get all 3 vehicles in it. A FIRST!! Then I finished the cleanup in the basement from the flooding this week. Got my dfp rig cleaned up, back together and operational, and.........oh yeah! Since it was cleaning day, I cleaned up the horrendous 3rd sector from my first run. :sly:

Time submitted. Good luck all! :)
 
*starts off by singing along with Matchbox 20* ".... It's 3 AM I muuustt bee looooonneeelllyyy..."

All right, enough of that singing. I got these times after being awake for 19 hours and helping my step-sister move for about 14 of them. I'm beat, but times are'a due!
T1: 21.346
T2: 1'05.135

So far, Jump_ace and I have made a Charger sandwich with two Corvettes as the bread.

*staggers off cussing at GT4's attempt at a Corvette* My real Vette will hand GT4's digital version its ahss anyday of the week. Can't I install a 383 stroker and ZR-1 size 275/40-17 front, 315/35-17 rear meats on the Stingray in GT4? I guess at least I can Whipplecharge the GT4 version, that's a step in the right direction.
 
I guess this post may have helped people last week.
http://gcrall.miller-motorsports.com/images/
Feel free to click on any of the three ALMS links, or the one titled HPDE. You should be able to see where on the track the cars are. You're welcome to peruse the other folders if you wish, but they're not Sears Point related.

Here is my track day in my GTi last August (2004)
http://images.miller-motorsports.com/sears082204/video/
My files are called tape1test.avi and tape2test.avi
WARNING: Files are huge. tape1test is about 270MB, tape2test is about 112MB. Having said this, and purely to confuse you, my friend the webmaster requests that you download the files first, then view them locally on your computer. Right click, save them as (whatever you please). Then go make dinner, have a picnic, go out to a movie. They'll download as you go about your life :D If you attempt to watch them from the server, it will eat up valuable bandwidth.

Here are pictures from that day:
http://images.miller-motorsports.com/sears082204/
I wasn't the one shooting, as I was too busy driving. You don't get the über close-up shots that are posted above, and the guy doing the shooting was more focused on my friend's Pro-7 racecar, but you get the gist. Oh yes I almost forgot, don't you just love my Rabbit's balls? :lol: They're under the hood, and in all honesty they link into the stock vacuum system. I just love asking people that question though.
 
One last thing before I crash for the morning. My brother and I may or may not be able to compete in next week's race. In fact, I know we won't be home by noon on Friday, Saturday or Sunday. If we're to race at all, we'll have to squeeze it into our busy weekday schedules.

This upcoming weekend the American LeMans Series is at Laguna Seca for the season finale. http://www.americanlemans.com/schedule/2005_Schedule.aspx If you're interested, it's airing on Speed Channel and the main event starts at 3:15P and goes until 7:15P Pacific Time, Saturday night. If you follow the ALMS at all, you'll know their usual race lasts 2 hours 45 minutes and is run during the day. This is a 4 hour mini-endurance event that goes into darkness *drools* mmmmmm glowwwwinngggg rotoorrrrrrrr *wipes chin*

A gentleman from Western States Corvette Council asked for me to do some official photography for their publication "Redline." The WSCC rep. got photography passes for my brother and I so we will be on the other side of the safety fence taking pictures. I'll gladly pass up a week of racing for the opportunity to add something to my portfolio however. I'm sure my brother is stoked to watch a race without the fence being in the way too.

I'll post my digital pictures to the URL above that has my other ALMS pictures in it so you may all see the fruits of my labor.

Koly: are we taking a break this week to get all of the modifications sorted or is this going straight through? If it goes straight through, my brother and I are screwed. If this is break week where we discuss rules, etc. then we shall be okay. I remember you saying that we'd pause in the midway point to discuss some things, but in many ways, we've already done that.
 
/\ :bowdown: ...I;m not worthy....I'm not worthy..... :drool: ....That is totally cool man, now I am to the point where I wonder how many people who race OLR, AREN"T drivers in real life, we seem to be the majority anymore. Good splits too man!

And as for next week, I would like to get this out of the way....eh heheh....*couch*....STUPID MOTHA F#@$*&#@&CKING TRACK!! Y I OUTTA!!!...j#$*&#$&#*&*#*$*#$&#...thank you. (love a good challenge tho, 👍 Kolyana

jump_ace
 
I decided I better give this other go if wanted to have a chance getting on the podium. :scared:

New Splits

T1) 21.312
T2) 1'04.397

@MinorShunt, what are your final splits if you don't mind sharing?

See you guys at the results :D
 
Ahhh....Bryan, u animal u....lol. Hot Splits Man! U probably got my act beat. I can't wait for the results! :) Man I love this comp, just wish I had spent more time to get my 04.3 working, because I left .4 out on the track....yikes!

jump_ace
 
*stares in disbelief at Bhawk* I am humbled, no less by an A-body. You, dear sir, are truly a driver. :bowdown:
 
AWESOME splits bhawk! Truly well done! I broke the 1'06 barrier 2 or 3 times, couldn't keep the end of the lap clean/fast and ended up settling for whatever time I'm using this morning. Good to see that some of you skilled drivers can do better justice to these classic cars!!!
 
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