American Mussle Missing

Originally posted by bmwx
Hijacking the thread just to say that German owns all...

:D :D :D

i would agree with you on that one... but then u have cars like the Corvette and 350Z that in stock form will beat a M3 on the track...

and a Porshe 911 is $70+ and a 911 Turbo is 120+... a corvette with 20 to 70K in mods will destroy a porsche...

My mom had a BMW 330Ci and i am inlove with the car.. but the truth is Japan or the US has less expensive car for performance...
 
Holden Commordore S V6 Supercharged (240hp) 171kw 375 Nw (buggered if i know what that is in lbs) and only 40k AUS or 28800 USD (at current exchange rate) brand new. buy one second hand for about 20K USD
 
But the supercharged commodore is just crap. There's no other word for it. less power than the stock basic falcon (182kw (244hp), 380Nm(280lb)), which sells for $30000 and has better power to weight (9.1 kg/kw vs. 9.5 kg/kw). BTW 171kw=230hp, 375 Nm = 277 lb.

Or you could spend an extra $5000 and get the falcon XR6 turbo, which has 240kw (320hp) and 450Nm (332lb) in terms of power and torque, respectively.
In terms of upgrading the engine, for all intents and purposes you can't get any more out of the commodore, but APS has a 330kw (443 hp) upgrade of the XR6 Turbo for sale.

If you're going to go a commodore, at least get a Gen III, it's only $3000 more.
 
i know i was just trying to find a cheap car that had some power
 
ok guy those cars are s***, little 4 cylinder s*** boxes, i thought u were talkin about real american muscle, cars from tha sixties n seventies, now those were real american muscle cars
 
i have to agree a BIT with Adam on this one.

American Muscle is a 69 Camaro SS,
Pontiac GTO,
Chevelle,
Malibu,
Nova SS 396,
El Camino
Corvette 454 (and this one will turn!), Pontiac Firebird Trans Am, not as sexy as the camaro, but in stock form turns a bit better,
Ford Galaxie 500 XL,
Shelby Mustang GT350/500 (no other 60's mustang wass a muscle car)
Ford Fairlane 427
Ford Gran Turino
Pretty much anything with a (mopar) hemi, prior to the new ones (i.e 70's and older).

Now I do like the Turbo Dodge cars, their biggest issue for me is they are a DODGE (I had very little luck with a dodge). I know of a guy (a friend of a few friends) that has a 12 second $600 Dodge omni... assuming it doens't break down on the way to the track or half way down it. I like to think of it as teh **** box with wheels...thats pretty much what it is. OH and it's made purely out of parts yanked from the junk yard. No $2000 T-76 Ceramic turbine, Dual Ball bearing turbo's on this...

For all of you american 4 banger haters, try going to your various import forums and seeing the guys that developed the cars come on and help out and converse with you guys on your cars like the turbo dodge guys...not gonna happen.

BTW weren't the Ford Escorts a Ford of EUROPE design (like the focus)?
 
Originally posted by cm108kph
A Chrysler Laser would have been cool too. Remember, though, GT3 is a Japanese game. Most of thouse cars (minus the Isuzu) are unheard of in Japan.

If Im not mistaken, the Chrysler Laser is the same thing as the Plymouth Laser. (Dodge has a really annoying habit of doing that, making a car and having all 3 companies get it.) But if thats the case, then the Chrysler Laser should be heard of in Japan. Ive seen it and been told that its the same car as an Eagle Talon or a Mitsubishi Eclipse . Just thought Id add that the Laser isnt really an American car at all, much like the Dodge Stealth isnt.
 
Originally posted by thedguy
i have to agree a BIT with Adam on this one.

American Muscle is a 69 Camaro SS,
Pontiac GTO,
Chevelle,
Malibu,
Nova SS 396,
El Camino
Corvette 454 (and this one will turn!), Pontiac Firebird Trans Am, not as sexy as the camaro, but in stock form turns a bit better,
Ford Galaxie 500 XL,
Shelby Mustang GT350/500 (no other 60's mustang wass a muscle car)
Ford Fairlane 427
Ford Gran Turino
Pretty much anything with a (mopar) hemi, prior to the new ones (i.e 70's and older).

Now I do like the Turbo Dodge cars, their biggest issue for me is they are a DODGE (I had very little luck with a dodge). I know of a guy (a friend of a few friends) that has a 12 second $600 Dodge omni... assuming it doens't break down on the way to the track or half way down it. I like to think of it as teh **** box with wheels...thats pretty much what it is. OH and it's made purely out of parts yanked from the junk yard. No $2000 T-76 Ceramic turbine, Dual Ball bearing turbo's on this...

For all of you american 4 banger haters, try going to your various import forums and seeing the guys that developed the cars come on and help out and converse with you guys on your cars like the turbo dodge guys...not gonna happen.

BTW weren't the Ford Escorts a Ford of EUROPE design (like the focus)?

Since you seem to know a thing or two about American Muscle, can you tell me what the difference between Chevelles and Malibus are? Ive seen a Malibu 454, a Chevelle 454 (those two looked the same), and A Chevelle Malibu. Im a tad confused, you named both, but I thought they were the same car.
 
Originally posted by 2005McLarenF1
Since you seem to know a thing or two about American Muscle, can you tell me what the difference between Chevelles and Malibus are? Ive seen a Malibu 454, a Chevelle 454 (those two looked the same), and A Chevelle Malibu. Im a tad confused, you named both, but I thought they were the same car.

That was an "F" up was suppost to be on teh same line.....my bad

I never said I was perfect or the expert just stating that the cars listed by shimano aren't American muscle, especially the 2 of them that weren't even designed by Americans (partialy escort and the focus)...

The Chrysler laser was a version of the Dodge daytona if I remember right. The Plymouth laser was the DSM. Damn Chrysler gets confusing with their cars sometimes.
 
Eh,m I am hardly keeping up with this anymore, and,sadly, the flames are getting a little high.

Look, I grew up with Muscle cars around me, and I can identify a lot of them by sight. I also know the history of these cars. Most of which, despite popular belief, is European, look at the lines, everyones lady the 427 Cobra, was a classic example of this, it was based on a British roadster, (actually most of Shelbys designs were very influenced by European automobiles).

Now, as I do know, these vehicles, and people who love them build them, and race them on weekends, I can tell you that they are actually, the ones believing that this is the return to American Muscle, these men who have driven Chargers, at speeds most wouldnt dare try, these men and women were the original street racers. The return of the 300M, introduction and reintroduction, of several powerful vehicles from all the American companies, GTO, Thunderbird, and soon the Charger(I want a R/T in white, Vanish baby). These small cars may take our roads back, I am sick of hearing nothing but the sound of modified Hondas screeming past my window.

Call them what you will, I see them as a hope, despite what many will I am not an expert, I am a lover of vehicles, Leather Wrapped steering wheels, Fuzzy Dice, and wide rear tires. Muscle cars are above all an attitude that is set forth by the drivers, they are made to do one thing go fast, they are built here, and they are most defiantely raced here. You have to realize that American cars have close to 30 years worth of stigmas to get rid of, and can only be respected once they are lifted.

For those of you who would like to learn more. I invite you to come to New Hamburg, Ontario, Canada next June, and visit me at Mopar Fest, Canadas if not the Worlds largest gathering, of <cough><cough> American Muscle.
 
I like both American and Japanese and European cars, but why do they have to lower the import car's horsepower for, i mean its the samething, plus i hate the american design of the Integra circle headlights. My bros LS-Vtec 94 integra outrun a 99 trans am supercharge, SRT-4 and Lancer Evo 8 stock. I guess HP dont really matter, all it matter is Torques for Honda.
 
Originally posted by Night_Drifter
My bros LS-Vtec 94 integra outrun a 99 trans am supercharge, SRT-4 and Lancer Evo 8 stock.
I'll believe this when Satan is giving away free cherry snowcones to every guest in Hell.

Next time try to make your lies at least slightly believable. Better yet, be a man and just tell the truth.
 
If you dont believe it then its ok, because my bros LS-Vtec has over 200 HP under the hood fully biult, humm the cost is $5000, not including the ls block and vtec head.

From what i see in Japan, they dont care about quarter miles stuff, all they care is suspension and performance.
American, its all about drag racing, its boring to watch NHRA because its like the samething, plus yes they are the fastest.

For some reason, why do v-8 lovers always make fun of Inline 4 lovers, they should consider thinking twice before making fun of car hp and cylinders. Hint: Civic and Mustang are fighting each other everyday.
 
Originally posted by Night_Drifter
My bros LS-Vtec 94 integra outrun a 99 trans am supercharge, SRT-4 and Lancer Evo 8 stock.
Ah, so this is the part that's wrong.
Besides, 200hp in an Integra will not outrun 300hp in an Evo. It might wash against 240hp in an SRT-4, but I'd like to see timeslips that back it up.
 
I Dont know how much it runs, plus the race track is kind of far from us, all i know is that it has that much HP in there, if you want to know how fast it runs, then i guess i'll let you win.

Anyways, i like hondas, but I like Nissan more, im planning to get a 240sx just to beat those hondas someday. The neon SRT-4 look pretty nice, i never said i hated Dodge or any American cars. I Like all cars, but i only like to own a nissan.
 
hmmm if drag racing aint popular in japan than why do i have a few vids of japanese street racing, all drags, and also i've seen various video's of skylines drag racing, RX7 drag racing, and various others drag racing.... main not be as big as drag racing is here, but it's definately not a small time sport there
 
I dont see that much drag thats all, maybe i was just missing out or not, because mostly the popular sports is drifting, i hardly see japanese poeple have drag racing videos like Option videos where there are a lot of drifting cars, plus the option video is mostly about suspension. I wanna see some Japanese drag street racing videos, do any know?
 
hows focus american muscle? I know it is made by fiord who are aqmerican, but i believe it was designed by the British branch of Ford
 
Originally posted by Night_Drifter
For some reason, why do v-8 lovers always make fun of Inline 4 lovers, they should consider thinking twice before making fun of car hp and cylinders. Hint: Civic and Mustang are fighting each other everyday.

Funny you should mention the Mustang. I personally hate mustangs to hell. They are like Japan wannabe cars. Putting their ground effects on, DOHC engines. Thats all Japanese stuff. They are slow as hell for how powerful they are. Cobras have close to 400 HP and run almost 13s stock. Civics can be made really fast, but it costs about as much as buying a car thats fast to begin with. What I think of when I hear Civic are those punk ass kids who roll up to you and rev and then when the light turns green, they crunch the gas pedal, dont make a sound and get smoked. Anyways if you want to talk about American Muscle, dont disrespect American Muscle by mentioning Mustangs.
 
Such an interesting argument.....

Personally, I will be in my local Dodge Showroom sometime around October/November 2004 to get my new car:

The Forthcoming Dodge Magnum (yes a Wagon-style car) SRT-8 in Midnight Black with Hemi power V8 and All Wheel Drive.

390 Hp of mean ol' Hemi power. Laugh at my Wagon? Sure, and I'll run it right up your A$$! LOL!

It's funny, everyone loves something in cars (makers, country, design, cylinders, whatever) and will defend it to their deaths on foirums liek this. Makes me laugh. Tell me the Dodge Magnum is ugly. I'll say, OK, then don't buy one. More for me!

-- The Blackfish

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The only muscle cars i like are chevelles, GT500 shelby mustang, and gto. But al in all I think muscle cars (real american muscle cars) belong on a quarter mile track... BORING
 
Originally posted by DarkenedDrift
The only muscle cars i like are chevelles, GT500 shelby mustang, and gto. But al in all I think muscle cars (real american muscle cars) belong on a quarter mile track... BORING
Then you don't know a damn thing about them. Look up the history of Trans Am racing sometime and learn a little. Read here, the first place I came across.

Yes, this is the Corkscrew:

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Originally posted by 2005McLarenF1
Funny you should mention the Mustang. I personally hate mustangs to hell. They are like Japan wannabe cars. Putting their ground effects on, DOHC engines. Thats all Japanese stuff. They are slow as hell for how powerful they are. Cobras have close to 400 HP and run almost 13s stock. Civics can be made really fast, but it costs about as much as buying a car thats fast to begin with. What I think of when I hear Civic are those punk ass kids who roll up to you and rev and then when the light turns green, they crunch the gas pedal, dont make a sound and get smoked. Anyways if you want to talk about American Muscle, dont disrespect American Muscle by mentioning Mustangs.


Well, Mustang Cobra is like a 99-00 Civic Si, its DOHC, and the other mustang like normal one and GT (not including Saleen)is like the Civic Dx, and Ex Single Cam. Humm and NSX have 280 HP and runs 12, and a Ferrari have 300 and runs slower then an NSX, and a cobra have 400 HP and runs 13, i dont know about that if you're comparing HP to quarter mile. A VR-4 with 200 someting i forgot runs in the 13's. I'll get a VR-4 and spank that cobra any day if i have money to afford a VR-4 stock and also with top speed too. Plus you went to the wrong civic guy, real racers take it to the track (public road) at night, those one that cruise around everyday, they're just ricer who wants to get notice in the day time. Also im not even talking bad about American Muscle cars.(if i did my bad) I watch Speed Channel "American Muscle", but for me, i like new cars, and there is a lot of people in my town that just thinks if they have a V-8 then they're fast, but they dont really know what is a supercharge is or a Turbo.
 
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