Anybody else ever surprised by a car's performance?

[TwinTurboJay]

Indy race car too ?

 

[Giancarlo]

Indy race car too ?

I'm not sure, haven't gotten to that level yet. Most likely not; they're just way too damn light.

Oh, and another that surprised me is the ZZ II. Damn thing's so light, it's 700 top bhp can keep it pretty close to my RGT.

 

[daan]

Yeah, the RGT can outrun and outcorner any Indycar that is in the game. 💡

 

[Giancarlo]

Yeah, the RGT can outrun and outcorner any Indycar that is in the game. 💡

No need to be sarcastic.

 

[xcsti]

I think the widley regarded reason for the Senna crash was the car bottoming out on a fast turn, removing the downforce created from the aerodynamics under the car, and causing the car to slide off the track and into the wall.

I agree (not that I know any specifics) that was the first thing I thought of when I read about it.

 

[daan]

No need to be sarcastic.

I'm not being sarcastic. It can.

The reason it can is because there are no Indycars in the game. They are all F1 cars. The RGT cannot outrun them.

 

[Famine]

wasn't there something about cold tires form the saftey car period just prior?

I also remember the judge in the case ruling it was his "modified" steering column that failed. Though I always felt that was more the legal defination of what caused the crash, I remember DC saying that the sorta of flex the column had was par for the course...of course all the drama after the incident allowed for many many conspiracy theories and such.

The full accepted explanation is:

Senna's car was set very low to take advantage of the high-speed nature of the track.
The surface on entry to Tamburello was bumpy.
Due to a safety car period having just finished, all of the cars were running on colder - ergo lower pressure and therefore flatter - tyres.
The low tyre pressures combined with the very low ride height and the bumpy nature of the corner entry led to the car bottoming out briefly.

Now, when a car is moving as fast as an F1 car is upon entry to Tamburello, there are several forces at work. However, suffice to say that the airflow under the cars is extremely fast and has the effect of sucking the car down to the surface. When the car bottomed out, suddenly there was no airflow under the car and thus no "sucking" effect. Instantly the car would leap into the air (well, it would lift measureably), leading to a reduced contact patch between the tyre and the road surface - meaning that you have less ability to turn the car and it becomes very easy to exceed the grip limits (since they're now lower) and the car will understeer.

This happened at Tamburello, with the net result that the car understeered straight off the top of the corner, straight over a poorly designed retardation trap and into a concrete wall with little deceleration other than that Senna was able to apply in the very brief time available to him.

Senna died on impact.

To summarise - BUGGER ALL TO DO WITH TRACTION CONTROL.

And Mansell was IndyCar champion in the previous year, coming back to deputise for Senna in a couple of races. And they were most certainly not friends.

 

[Anderton Prime]

Hey people! Put this stuff in its own thread in the appropriate forum. There's no room for F1 talk in here! Now, somebody please answer my question about a much more important issue, which rims were used to make the Camaro SS look like KITT from Knight Rider?

 

[kensei]

I'm not sure, haven't gotten to that level yet. Most likely not; they're just way too damn light.

While I have made my love of the RGT known over and over here I have to say it is dead in the water vs. the F1 cars and the prototypes (r390, gt-one, 787b) in GT3. It has the grunt to stay with them on the straights but doesn't have the downforce (and is too heavy) to stick with them in the corners.

You CAN complete with the AI prototypes in a RUF RGT, you need to add power to it to make up for your slower cornering and have an aggressive pit schedule but it can be done in all levels vs. the AI. On even footing with one of those prototypes in OLR or with the AI at 100% you are dead in the water. F1 cars are an even better spanking.

The RGT can be tuned to win all other races (that it can be entered in), including all rally (The RGT is a damn good rally car too), in GT3 besides the F1. Sometimes with alot less power or parts than you might think.

Oh, and another that surprised me is the ZZ II. Damn thing's so light, it's 700 top bhp can keep it pretty close to my RGT.

Again, while I love the RGT with a passion...I can spank it with a ZZII. The ZZII is more race car than road car in GT3 terms (supercar in real world terms) and has superior downforce and power to weight. The RGT might get it in a straight line but the ZZII will spank it on the corners. Since I find the top end race cars bland and boring to drive in GT3 (besides the 787b) I use the ZZII as my race car anywhere I can't ein with the RGT (besides F1).

Beating the AI is easy-peasy, but don't base a cars performance in GT3 on the AI's driving. When I first started OLR I would get spanked by cars way under mine that had better drivers who could tune. Go watch some OLR (or some of the world record lap times) and you will see what the cars in GT3 are really capable of. You will see that the RGT holds it's own often, but isn't the dead on fastest.

 

[xcsti]

Hey people! Put this stuff in its own thread in the appropriate forum. There's no room for F1 talk in here! Now, somebody please answer my question about a much more important issue, which rims were used to make the Camaro SS look like KITT from Knight Rider?

That's hilarious, "lets get back on topic so someone can answer my off topic question." I'm sure you could search for it, but then again you probably already have.

The ZZII is probably one of the best cars in the game. I always wondered what it would feel like to rally it. I know I could hybrid it to rally but I don't have the setup.

 

[Famine]

Errr... xcsti? Have you read post #1 recently?

I was fiddling around today (having beaten the game entire, I tend to "fiddle" quite a bit).. Figured I'd try to come up with something similar to KITT (ye olde Knight Rider Trans Am). Seeing as how there's no Pontiacs in the game, I used a black Camaro SS. From certain angles on the replay, it does look rather like KITT, especially if you put black wheels on it.

 

[xcsti]

Errr... xcsti? Have you read post #1 recently?

Do you honestly think I can read?

And if I could why would I read the post that explains the whole rest of the thread?

Come on you expect too much of me.

Sorry about that then Anderton.

 

[Anderton Prime]

No worries, xcsti. I was being sarcastic anyway, whic is the lowest form of comedy, I guess.

But where the hell is Jedi? I am way too lazy to sift through the rims selection myself to find ones that fit and have the right look. I'd much rather have him tell me which ones he picked so I can continue my training to be a completely unoriginal lazy copycatting a-hole.

 

[phonypoly]

...According to investigations, Senna's car bottomed out(was too low) therefore, didn't make the turn at the "tamburello" curve, cause the front wheels had no grip....and the car hit the wall at about 36 degrees, with enough G-force..... that it snapped His collar bone May He rest in piece.

 

[daan]

...According to investigations, Senna's car bottomed out(was too low) therefore, didn't make the turn at the "tamburello" curve, cause the front wheels had no grip....and the car hit the wall at about 36 degrees, with enough G-force..... that it snapped His collar bone May He rest in piece.

Whose investigations?

Snapping your collar bone does not kill you. The collar bone is the most common bone broken by cyclists/snowboarders etc. It's not fatal. A part of the suspension piercing your helmet and entering your brain is.

 

[Famine]

The most common cause of breaking a clavicle (for there are two) is falling over and putting your hand down to stop yourself. As daan said, I'm unaware of this ever being fatal.

A driver, I forget the name, crashed at Silverstone in 1977 and endured extreme deceleration of 172G (that's the same as a 75kg man tipping the scales at 13 tonnes). He broke every bone in his body - some twice - and had three heart attacks on the way to hospital. He lived. Because he didn't have a part of his car welded into his brain.

 

[daan]

A driver, I forget the name, crashed at Silverstone in 1977 and endured extreme deceleration of 172G (that's the same as a 75kg man tipping the scales at 13 tonnes). He broke every bone in his body - some twice - and had three heart attacks on the way to hospital. He lived. Because he didn't have a part of his car welded into his brain.

David Purley in a Lec. And this is his car...

This is what a real one looks like.

 

[Famine]

The number has gone up too...

"Purley qualified for several races but in practice at Silverstone suffered a stuck throttle and crashed with incredible violence. Purley was subjected to the highest G-forces ever survived by a human being - 179.8G - when the car went from 108mph to zero in just over half a meter. His life was saved by rescue crews at the scene of the crash but it took many months for him to recover from multiple fractures to his legs, pelvis and ribs."

******g. Ouch.

 

[3rdgenracerX]

...According to investigations, Senna's car bottomed out(was too low) therefore, didn't make the turn at the "tamburello" curve, cause the front wheels had no grip....and the car hit the wall at about 36 degrees, with enough G-force..... that it snapped His collar bone May He rest in piece.

I broke my left collar bone playing football in High School and fractured my right collar bone twice, once during birth "way to go dipspit doctor" and when I was 9". Your not going to die from that unless the bone breaks making a sharp point and you somehow manage to push the sharp end of the bone through your jugular. If someone has managed that :thumbsup: I guess

Now if I would have suffered a basal skull fracture "broken neck" and somehow had a hot sharp knife like piece of metal get up close and personal with my brain during that football game then it would be a whole different story.

Ayrton would have most likely survived his crash if it werent for that piece of suspension that piereced his skull. Though I wonder if he would have suffered a broken neck in that wreck even without the tire and suspension hitting him in the head. To many possiblities, woulda coulda shoulda's that we wont know until we make that trip upstairs.

Does anyone remember that wreck where Irvine, Blundell and Brundel had a big crash at Brazil in 94'? I know a car fliped over and his rear tire "still attached to the car" HIT blundell or brundel "lol cant remember who it was" square in the head. Never have I seen someone's head litterally sway back and forth like a bobble head toy like that. I though for sure he had broken his neck in that crash but luckly he didnt some how.


That wreck David Purley had was crazy!!! He truely had someone looking out for him that day.

 

[daan]

Does anyone remember that wreck where Irvine, Blundell and Brundel had a big crash at Brazil in 94'? I know a car fliped over and his rear tire "still attached to the car" HIT blundell or brundel "lol cant remember who it was" square in the head. Never have I seen someone's head litterally sway back and forth like a bobble head toy like that. I though for sure he had broken his neck in that crash but luckly he didnt some how.

It was Martin Brundle. His head was hit by someone elses rear tyre and left a bit skidmark on it. Betchya it wasn't the only place that had skidmarks on it.....

 

[TMM]

It was Martin Brundle. His head was hit by someone elses rear tyre and left a bit skidmark on it. Betchya it wasn't the only place that had skidmarks on it.....

Hey he was British, stiff upper lip!!!